Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 957: Ultimate

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I swear, if they don't show bounties of walords next chapter and warlords fighting the marines and vegapunk's weapon and instead we get act 3 of Lano, I'm droping op. way too much dragging.
 
Stop lol
Oden was commander long long ago ! Marco was teen or early 20 when Oden left WB!

Stop trying to boost WB pirates
They seriously only singled out shanks commanders coz they are the strongest top 3.

This man is trying to make WB pirate glorious when only shanks top 3 is hyped
Dont use Oden because Oden >benn any YC1 back then.

"WB commanders are strongest " is dead
Same as "SC are strongest" is dead

Oden :
20 years ago : fought kaido
24-25 years ago : was with Roger since his last voyage was after edd war and roger became pk year later
28 years ago : Momo is born , since he was 8 when kaido invaded wano.
We know Oden was in wano after he left wano and Roger came there to take him.
So Between 30-25 years : He was with WB

Kaido 20 years ago wasnt strong as now too
...let's say he is 35 and Oden is maybe 30 when they fought.

Marco is 45 now,
so he cant be stronger than Oden back then! Or else you wanna say Young Marco ~ Kaido lol
when he is what? 18? Rookie commander...
30-25 years ago Marco possibly cant even be as strong as YC4! While Oden strength and hype is of someone who is YC1.

Or do you believe Marco was YC1 level back then? Which is impossible since even Kaido wasnt YC1 level when he was rookie... he became Top tier 20 years ago only I bet.
So from Rox disbanded till wano, it took him 18 years to rise in power.

Look at the timeline and question yourself
If you saying current Marco Kata Benn > Oden
Yup slight possibility
But Young Marco kata benn >Oden no chance

That will mean Marco should be mid or high top tier now
We know he isnt even low top tier since he was crushed by Teach... a Yonko wont crush badly a low top tier...

Stoo this Marco>Oden
Look at the timeline
Luffy rn is only 19

Marco could have peaked at 20
 
So they have don't resources currently?

That means ....one admiral is going after each shichibukai?

Blackbeard will have a easy task on whatever he's about to do.
They have likely sent 10 ships for each warlord, so 40 warships out.

They then also escort 50 monarchs back to their countries which also includes powerful individuals (like Garp to FMI).

Their man power is just busy, even if they have an admiral at marine HQ. They dont have the forces to back up the admirals
 

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This chapter was pretty great, much Information, even more questions for us. I am very interested in the Storys behind all These great characters. We know BMs History and ist interesting and i kinda understand her way (orphaned by parents and stuff), i hope we will get this Kind of Story for Kaido and later Blackbeard too. Even from Rocks i would love to get this Story. So far, it seems that None of These characters were Born evil and i love that. There must be a reason why this Monsters are exactly These Monsters. Take a look at Mingo, for sure he went in the wrong direction, but you can understand his way, based on his experience and his life.
 
So rocks is Roger's true rival? not whitebeard?
WTF ODA!
He is not rival, he was stronger than Roger, which lead Roger to team up with Garp/
Yeah, nah. Kaido was definitely going there to destroy Whitebeard himself. You dramatically over estimate Kaido's goodness...
WB was Kaido nakama, and he has to chose to help his nakama save his son, and take revenge for his Captain Rocks, or help WG kill his nakama?! Even if we take as example BM and Kaido answer should be simple, what Kaido would chose in that situation.
Not going to happen.

WB was not a bad person.

Roger respected him.

Meh.
Naah, what if Shanks was actually WG agent? We already got his meeting with Gorosei, also what if he was the one who was related to Roger's sickness? Poison? Ofcourse I'm not exactly serious, but...
 

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He is not rival, he was stronger than Roger, which lead Roger to team up with Garp/
Nah, Garp + Roger fighted obviously the whole Crew or at least Rox + his 3 strongest. It is shown in the Panel.


Naah, what if Shanks was actually WG agent? We already got his meeting with Gorosei, also what if he was the one who was related to Roger's sickness? Poison? Ofcourse I'm not exactly serious, but...
For me, it doesnt make sense, because the Gorosei seemed to only accept his asking because he is pretty peacefull and keeps the other 3 in order. It wasnt more an Eye-to-Eye Meeting, nothing like he is working for them. Shanks seem to respect them, but not taking them above him.
 

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what could sengoku have meant regarding no coincidence and Wano? feel like Oda is teasing/setting up something here.

This is the big question. I mean, he is right, everything is going around wano. The Poneglyphs, Oden (which appeared everywhere), Kaido and BM on Wano right now... To much coincidence, even a character inside the Story sees it. Something more seems to be behind it and i guess this is around Momos Mother and her DF.
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Your right, how just I could forgot that Roger was alone all time, oh wait...
So we get at the very minimum Roger whole crew vs Rocks, and there is big possibility for Marines(not Garp only) faced Rocks in the battle to protect Celestial Dragons, which was already confirmed in this page:
, so there wasn't Garp and Roger solo Rocks.
It is not shown or mentioned that Rogers Crew was there. Surely, why should he be alone, but we have so far no mentioning of the rest of the Crew there.
 
Nah, Garp + Roger fighted obviously the whole Crew or at least Rox + his 3 strongest. It is shown in the Panel.
Where are you getting Rocks <= Roger+ Garp?? Roger and Garp fought the pirate crew, not just the captain lol. They literally show a panel of Garp & Roger taking on the Captain + WB + BM + Kaido. And this is when Garp & Roger were younger, not even in their prime.
Your right, how just I could forgot that Roger was alone all time, oh wait...
So we get at the very minimum Roger whole crew vs Rocks, and there is big possibility for Marines(not Garp only) faced Rocks in the battle to protect Celestial Dragons, which was already confirmed in this page:
, so there wasn't Garp and Roger solo Rocks.
For me, it doesnt make sense, because the Gorosei seemed to only accept his asking because he is pretty peacefull and keeps the other 3 in order. It wasnt more an Eye-to-Eye Meeting, nothing like he is working for them. Shanks seem to respect them, but not taking them above him.
Well, in anime we saw how they take Shanks, they said guard leave, wasn't feared of him, saying more thay say something that he wasn't suppouse to come there. That was exactly Eye-to-Eye Meeting.
 
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