Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

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Conqueror of the Stars


stronger than yonko btw
That’s so 2012 my man, and that feat has been debunked numerous times
You should use more 2020 feats where Yonko have been getting defeated by YC2 on the regular.

But it’s cool, keep acting like having your weakest attack blocked by a Yonko and then getting ordered by Sengoku to step down after you spent the entire arc blowing the strongest Yonko into literal pieces with your hands in your pockets,

And openly admitting inferiority to a YC2 and having to take hostages to defeat him,

Are even remotely comparable
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𝐀𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐏𝐞𝐭
Welp for thosse dumb f***ers that thought Oden was beating Kaido.

Kaido was probably around YC1 lvl 20 years ago. So him being equal to Oden makes sense.
This is based on absolutely nothing. There's no reason to think this Kaido was not already a solid top tier. Oden was just that strong. Prior to this chapter, I thought Oden was at least a high high tier and capped at low top tier, but now it's clear that he's at least a low top tier and was probably a mid top tier when he returned.
 
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Did he beat Oden like those who said he would in 1v1 20 years ago without outside help ? no

that was my point
Nobody saying he beat Oden fairly.
Also we are not sure he purposely asked help
We only know that he is happy that old hag did her tricks.

Also the point still stands
Kaido only admitted inferiority or losing if it was 25 years ago. He was nor just talking about himself buy also his crew
By that time Oden had wano support and Kaido was still weaker.

Anyway the fact is both were matched
That's all we can say , base Kaido ~ Oden
 
We thought the deal was good for Oden because he could save Wano's citizens just by dancing. In reality, it was even better for the Beast Pirates to keep Oden at bay for 5 years!

I don't know if they significantly grew in strength (doubtful because they mention Moria greatly damaged his forces) or the Beast Pirates + Orochi simply didn't want to face the entirety of Wano who would no doubt back the rightful heir Oden in all of this. Brilliant move by Orochi to insert a condition of having Oden shame himself in the capital for all of Wano to see every week. People lost their trust and respect of Oden, there was no way armies of samurai would be willing to back him after 5 years of this.

I wouldn't surprise me if Oden got some very favorable terms to keep the dancing going. We didn't hear about a single Wano innocent being executed during that period. The deal was broken only when Orochi and Kaido finally felt they could overcome Oden, his men, and nobody else in Wano would rush to their support.
 
Raimei Hakke's lethality is godly lvl :finally: Luffy fans should be happy bcs this is the same attack that put Chaden for good, surprise attack or not. Luffy got one shotted isn't a bad thing at all, on the contrary, if Luffy tanked it, that means Luffy got better endurance than Chaden 20 years ago which is aint happening.
Also since Oden was put down for good by this attack and he as far as we know is not a df user, the whole "Kaido one shotted Luffy just bcs his club is made out of seastones" can come to an end. Nah bro that shit is just deadly.
 
Nobody saying he beat Oden fairly.
Also we are not sure he purposely asked help
We only know that he is happy that old hag did her tricks.

Also the point still stands
Kaido only admitted inferiority or losing if it was 25 years ago. He was nor just talking about himself buy also his crew
By that time Oden had wano support and Kaido was still weaker.

Anyway the fact is both were matched
That's all we can say , base Kaido ~ Oden
Yeah i was ranting about those who said it
 
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