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You speak that he has yet to go all out, yet Oda has already started Zoro on a path to becoming stronger via Enma training.
Never said he did go all out in my post, so I am not sure what you are trying to get at.
What are you getting here then?

You're saying because Zoro gets Enma, Oda believes Zoro has already maxed out his ability, right?
 
Here we go with the head cannon...yea sure zoro conveniently passes out from hunger right as killer critically stabs him. Zoro never passes out from hunger anyway.
Stop wanking zoLo so much
bro stop pretending killer looked like anything but a jobber. who stabs someone and then loses because theyre too weak to pull the weapon out when the guy flexes his pec? killer lol. zoro low diffed him with his own weapon.

Ace should have just flexed and turned around smiling and beat Akainu, imagine how weak he was to not do that
 
No Hawkins actually had the upper hand. Zoro actually got hurt by nails. Hawkins lost a puppet but was fine

Killer was both emotionally hurt and physically nerfed by his weapon but still one shot zoLo.

Drake was bleeding from the head from both queen and whoโ€™s whoโ€™s sneaking him. Zolo was struggling with gifters.
No.

Hawkins lost three dolls to Zoro, which means he died three times against Zoro. Hawkins just slightly injured Zoro because the was trying to deflect all the nails because he was protecting everyone instead of evading it.

Hawkins was using a powerful scarecrow which is the equivalent to Luffy using his G3. He uses his DF power to create a straw creature large in size to produce more power, similar to how Luffy increases his size to gain strength/power. Increase in size/mass equals to increase in strength/power. Plus he used a good card to push his power (scarecrow) beyond its limit. Zoro oneshot it using an average attack.

Zoro bested (defeated) Hawkins and the manga says the same.

Killer was never nerfed. Eating a bad DF doesn't make you mentally or physically weaker. He was fighting to protect his captain and in One piece that makes you stronger. We saw him crying after he was captured along with Kid. He was crying because he failed his captain and he believed they were going to be executed.

Killer was using weapons very similar to his normal weapon and because of that his fighting style never changed. His fighting style is similar to Sanji's. He's a fast and agile mobile fighter that uses momentum to increase the strength/power of his attacks. It still took a distracted Zoro for Killer to hit him. Yes, Zoro is that fast.

Zoro blitz and oneshot Killer while injured and using a weapon he's never used before. Zoro didn't fall until after all his battles were over. Even then the manga focus on his stomach right before he falls which mean Zoro falling had to do with stomach problem. The manga showed us that he was starving at the time eating poison food days before that.

Who's who didn't attack Drake. Queen was the only one showed holding a bloody sword while Who's who sword was in its sheath. That implies he never attacked Drake. Drake is an ancient Zoan so he will have impressed the recovery ability.

Zoro never struggled against the gifters. There was just a lot of opponents he had a fight. Zoro's injury came from Queen chomping down on him in his mouth and spitting down from a high altitude and with so much force it caused an impact when he hit the ground. Since Zoro doesn't have a DF to increase this recovery if Drake is in a weaker state than Zoro that makes Zoro look even more impressive.
 
What are you getting here then?

You're saying because Zoro gets Enma, Oda believes Zoro has already maxed out his ability, right?
I am saying just because he hasn't gone all out doesn't mean he doesn't need to get stronger, which is being proven by the fact that Oda has already taken steps to make him stronger. You don't start a character on a path to become stronger if they don't need it, like many of you assume to be the case with Zoro.
 
bro stop pretending killer looked like anything but a jobber. who stabs someone and then loses because theyre too weak to pull the weapon out when the guy flexes his pec? killer lol. zoro low diffed him with his own weapon.

Ace should have just flexed and turned around smiling and beat Akainu, imagine how weak he was to not do that
You calling killer a weak jobber lmao? Zoloโ€™s the one who got one shot from that weak jobbers attack.
Also comparing killers attack on zoro to akainus attack which literally evicerated aces inside is just dumb.
 
I am saying just because he hasn't gone all out doesn't mean he doesn't need to get stronger, which is being proven by the fact that Oda has already taken steps to make him stronger. You don't start a character on a path to become stronger if they don't need it, like many of you assume to be the case with Zoro.
Zoro said himself that he got stronger from training so that's not an issue

The question is your use of the word "need". What does he need the strength for then?

You're saying it's true Zoro hasn't gone all out so what's he "need" the strength for then?

Most arguments on this are about who Zoro is going to fight in Wano right?

I am of the mind idea that Zoro "needs" the Enma training to beat King. What do you think he needs it for?
 
Zoro said himself that he got stronger from training so that's not an issue

The question is your use of the word "need". What does he need the strength for then?

You're saying it's true Zoro hasn't gone all out so what's he "need" the strength for then?

Most arguments on this are about who Zoro is going to fight in Wano right?

I am of the mind idea that Zoro "needs" the Enma training to beat King. What do you think he needs it for?
Because people got offended at the fact that I said Zoro was not ready for a Calamity, and then brought up the "He hasn't gone all out" argument and said I put an imposed limit on him, so my retort was if he was ready for a Calamity like you think he is, and "he hasn't gone all out" is your argument, then there would be no reason for Oda to already start Zoro on a path to become stronger. So clearly, since Oda is making Zoro stronger, he was not ready for a Calamity, and "he hasn't gone all out" is not a valid argument against that.
 

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Because people got offended at the fact that I said Zoro was not ready for a Calamity, and then brought up the "He hasn't gone all out" argument and said I put an imposed limit on him, so my retort was if he was ready for a Calamity like you think he is, and "he hasn't gone all out" is your argument, then there would be no reason for Oda to already start Zoro on a path to become stronger. So clearly, since Oda is making Zoro stronger, he was not ready for a Calamity, and "he hasn't gone all out" is not a valid argument against that.
What can he now do he couldnt before ?
 
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