General & Others One Piece is worse post-timeskip because the editors are writing the manga

[JoNdule]

After Oda decided to kill off Ace, against the wishes of Shueisha, OP volume sales have declined year over year.

Since then, Oda's editors have slowly taken creative control over the manga. The sharp decline in quality post-timeskip is largely the result of cautious plot choices made by his editors.

No lol

Pre ts editors who challenged Oda decisions and had great ideas >> post ts editors who wank Oda

 

[Jet Pistol]

You want some one to take the fall for the 'faults' you found in One piece?

I am reading it for more than 12 years. Never had problem with any of it. May be it's time for you to drop the manga/anime and move on? Oda is not forcing you to read his story, you know?

 

[NAMELESS]

It's about the momentum of the manga,previous arcs were made to build up Wano.Post-Wano will be a series of events that will build up the final war i suppose.Final War will be bigger than Marineford as Oda said.It will probably involve:WG,CPO,Marines,SSG,Imu,Straw Hats,Grand Fleet,Revolutionary army,other nations that will revolt against WG,Germa,Some Supernovas and who knows what else.Oda has the potential to make the best shounen war arc ever.

 

[Kozuki TVU]

I feel like it's probably also the natural course of a series getting too old

also the artist getting too old
make no mistake oda is a once in a generation genius, specially his stylized art from early on. read skypiea in the manga, it looks godlike
but nobody can mantain quality for that long
specially if you're an old man with health problems and who's had hand surgeries
this manga was started by a 21 year old and it's going to be finished by a 50+ year old, think about that
his mistake was not being able to finish One Piece in under 700 chapters with no timeskip.

 

[wraithery]

Citation needed

Source:

https://www.trustmebro.com/u/inside-scoop-on-oda-his-editors-regarding-post-timeskip

 

[notAfanboy]

They are editors, they always "wrote" the manga. Oda is an employee, never forget that.

The problem is more structural. You can't expect a truly great story to be made with such system as weekly serialization; anybody here who is a creator of some kind must have noticed that Oda's tendency to improvise his story doesn't benefit from schedules that leave so little time to reconsideration and screening. One of the most important parts of any creative process is that period where you redefine, scrap, perfect... your ideas; sometimes even taking a couple of days to clear your mind will significantly improve a work. But Oda doesn't have this, he has been producing like a machine for two decades and is closer to sleep deprivation than anything else. His mind just can't perform as it should, and it could be easier before since the amount of characters and plots was significantly smaller (and he was younger), but I can't imagine the suffering of handling so much while working in this conditions.

When I read through Wano, the most direct feeling I get is that of a big, heavy, blurry cloud covering its narrative, like a huge mental block; and I can see Oda feeling the same.

Lol, producing like a machine, yet adding useless plotlines and characters.
There are countless Mangakas working weekly, Oda is blessed to have a break after 3 chapters.

He is not doing it for free. Editors are not working for free.

You dont go to a 9-5 job and expect to under-deliver and still get paid in full.

Stop sucking Oda's dick, he has been trash for years now.

You read through Wano and realized Oda has hit a mental block? The arc he has planned for over 10 years? The arc he hyped himself? The arc he said will be greater than MF? Find better excuses mate. These are outdated.

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also the artist getting too old
make no mistake oda is a once in a generation genius, specially his stylized art from early on. read skypiea in the manga, it looks godlike
but nobody can mantain quality for that long
specially if you're an old man with health problems and who's had hand surgeries
this manga was started by a 21 year old and it's going to be finished by a 50+ year old, think about that
his mistake was not being able to finish One Piece in under 700 chapters with no timeskip.

Then it is writer's fault to not conclude the story.

Oda has been an inconclusive writer. He dont know how to stop himself. This is not what you call a good writer.

Will you write a movie script that cannot be completed under 3 hours?
Stop praising the obvious fraud just because you have childhood memories with this series.

 

[Finalbeta]

also the artist getting too old
make no mistake oda is a once in a generation genius, specially his stylized art from early on. read skypiea in the manga, it looks godlike
but nobody can mantain quality for that long
specially if you're an old man with health problems and who's had hand surgeries
this manga was started by a 21 year old and it's going to be finished by a 50+ year old, think about that
his mistake was not being able to finish One Piece in under 700 chapters with no timeskip.

That too

The editors are probably still not doing anything without Oda accepting so also

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Lol, producing like a machine, yet adding useless plotlines and characters.
There are countless Mangakas working weekly, Oda is blessed to have a break after 3 chapters.

He is not doing it for free. Editors are not working for free.

You dont go to a 9-5 job and expect to under-deliver and still get paid in full.

Stop sucking Oda's dick, he has been trash for years now.

You read through Wano and realized Oda has hit a mental block? The arc he has planned for over 10 years? The arc he hyped himself? The arc he said will be greater than MF? Find better excuses mate. These are outdated.

It's irrelevant whether he's doing it for free or not, it's about the working system, the characteristics of his story and his own personal idiosyncrasy (age, artistic style, etc.). He's producing like a machine in the sense that he isn't getting the needed time to give a second, a third, a whatever thought to his plots, easily improvable if he could do it. It doesn't matter whether the arc has been planned for over ten years (yeah, well, to what extent?) nor how much he hyped it; it's obvious that doesn't address the actual execution of it.

And I'm sucking noone's dick, it will take you less than a minute to check my abundant criticism to his work. I don't need to excuse something I don't want to excuse, "mate".

PS: you can go to a 9-5 job and under-deliver if the working conditions are crap, which is what usually happens —especially to artists.

 

[Ryuarashi]

And apparently the editors forced Oda to draw rooftop fights, that's kinda sad lol.

Source/proof of this?

 

[Vongola Primo]

Source/proof of this?

"Honestly, I didn't have much motivation for chapter 1000, but people around me said, "One Piece is approaching Chapter 1000!" so then I thought, "Wait, am I expected to draw something special in Chapter 1000?" I gradually felt pressure around chapter 980 when my editors started some celebration plans. I had difficulty trying to spice up the story just in time for chapter 1000.

It was difficult since, in reality, Luffy and my characters don't know they need to hype up their audience for chapter 1000. They are just acting for their own purposes. In retrospect, I'm pretty satisfied with my audience having enjoyed chapter 1000! Thank you for the celebration messages! I appreciate from the bottom of my heart that I"m allowed to draw manga for as many as 1000 chapters!"
- Oda
Source

 

[notAfanboy]

It's irrelevant whether he's doing it for free or not, it's about the working system, the characteristics of his story and his own personal idiosyncrasy (age, artistic style, etc.). He's producing like a machine in the sense that he isn't getting the needed time to give a second, a third, a whatever thought to his plots, easily improvable if he could do it. It doesn't matter whether the arc has been planned for over ten years (yeah, well, to what extent?) nor how much he hyped it; it's obvious that doesn't address the actual execution of it.

And I'm sucking noone's dick, it will take you less than a minute to check my abundant criticism to his work. I don't need to excuse something I don't want to excuse, "mate".

PS: you can go to a 9-5 job and under-deliver if the working conditions are crap, which is what usually happens —especially to artists.

All of the event are carefully planned to extend the story in a way that they keep the readers engaged.

I have not read your posts before, so sorry for being rude.

But, I dont think a professional should make an excuse. It is ok for Act 1, Act 2, but for Act 3 of Wano as well? Naaah. There is something wrong with the author. It is not time issue, it is delibrate.

 

[Vongola Primo]