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Messmer is literally one of the most pro golden order characters in the story. He commits genocide just because Marika asks him to lmfao. He brings shame upon himself in Marika’s name. How on earth did you conclude Messmer was anti golden order LMFAO. His entire character arc is wanting to be the Elden Lord but Marika never considering him worthy.
Yeah I think you’re just mad because you know I’m right. Lmfao
And you already know I rate Messmer and don’t actually think Morgott is over him, it’s more likely that they are equals.
Y’all just have the scaling completely inverted. The Abyssal Serpent is the only reason Messmer even deserves to be compared to the other demigods. It is the entire source of his power and even with it, nobody ever considered him Elden Lord level.
Yeah I think you’re just mad because you know I’m right. Lmfao
And you already know I rate Messmer and don’t actually think Morgott is over him, it’s more likely that they are equals.
Y’all just have the scaling completely inverted. The Abyssal Serpent is the only reason Messmer even deserves to be compared to the other demigods. It is the entire source of his power and even with it, nobody ever considered him Elden Lord level.
Bro because he was fire and snake...
That's why he was sealed away in the shadow realm
She literally achieved all her objectives with messmer. So he wasn't weak in any way. And as you said, he was pro golden order as well. So why would she discard him?
Almost like he has the abyssal serpent inside him and is arguably the strongest fire mage in the lands between...
It's very similar to Morgott tbh. He was also pro golden order. But he was an Omen. So he was also anti golden order. And so, Marika discarded Morgott and Mohg like trash.
GRRM was the lore writer lol
That's why he was sealed away in the shadow realm
She literally achieved all her objectives with messmer. So he wasn't weak in any way. And as you said, he was pro golden order as well. So why would she discard him?
Almost like he has the abyssal serpent inside him and is arguably the strongest fire mage in the lands between...
It's very similar to Morgott tbh. He was also pro golden order. But he was an Omen. So he was also anti golden order. And so, Marika discarded Morgott and Mohg like trash.
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GRRM was the lore writer lol
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Radahn looked up to Messmer when he was a child. Messmer was active and fighting alongside Godfrey back when Radahn was a child and hadn’t yet set out for the battlefield.
Radahn didn’t even know Morgott existed until Morgott rammed his cane down Radahn’s throat lol.
The truth about Messmer is that Marika only feared him because serpents were the enemy of the Erdtree and Fire could burn the Erdtree and Messmer was both. Marika had zero reason to actually legitimately fear a character who was completely loyal to her and would even commit genocide and shame himself if she just asked him to do so.
Marika discarded Morgott and Mohg because they were Hornsent and the Hornsent were the biggest race of savages in the history of the Lands Between lmfao. After what the Hornsent did to the Shaman, you can almost understand why Marika wanted to wipe them out of history. She probably felt terrible sentencing her own sons like that, but she could never forgive the Hornsent race.
Also something that you guys are overlooking is that Godfrey seemed to genuinely love Morgott, which I would argue in and of itself shows that even to an Elden Lord warrior like Godfrey, Morgott made him proud.
Radahn didn’t even know Morgott existed until Morgott rammed his cane down Radahn’s throat lol.
The truth about Messmer is that Marika only feared him because serpents were the enemy of the Erdtree and Fire could burn the Erdtree and Messmer was both. Marika had zero reason to actually legitimately fear a character who was completely loyal to her and would even commit genocide and shame himself if she just asked him to do so.
Marika discarded Morgott and Mohg because they were Hornsent and the Hornsent were the biggest race of savages in the history of the Lands Between lmfao. After what the Hornsent did to the Shaman, you can almost understand why Marika wanted to wipe them out of history. She probably felt terrible sentencing her own sons like that, but she could never forgive the Hornsent race.
Also something that you guys are overlooking is that Godfrey seemed to genuinely love Morgott, which I would argue in and of itself shows that even to an Elden Lord warrior like Godfrey, Morgott made him proud.
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That's literally what i been saying bro...
i don't know if you noticed but... Marika is not a smart character at all. i doubt she ever understood Messmer and his blind loyalty because she was scared of him from the start. Sending him to the shadow realm under the order of conquest was her way of getting rid of him.
So Marika just threw the omen twins into a sewer directly under her capital. But had to send away Messmer to another dimension and close the door forever.
Think about that for a second. She imprisoned omen twins who remind her of her terrible past in the land of shadow, directly under her city. But send Messmer so far away, and right into her terrible past. And he just conquered that place so easily lol.
She was scared as fuck of Messmer.
Godfrey loved him cause he the dad...
And seeing as how Marika is Radagon, both of Messmer's parents feared him and wanted nothing to do with him.
Messmer's flame negs erdtree and subsequently anyone who derives their powers from it. That means Messmer > All great rune bosses
i don't know if you noticed but... Marika is not a smart character at all. i doubt she ever understood Messmer and his blind loyalty because she was scared of him from the start. Sending him to the shadow realm under the order of conquest was her way of getting rid of him.
So Marika just threw the omen twins into a sewer directly under her capital. But had to send away Messmer to another dimension and close the door forever.
Think about that for a second. She imprisoned omen twins who remind her of her terrible past in the land of shadow, directly under her city. But send Messmer so far away, and right into her terrible past. And he just conquered that place so easily lol.
She was scared as fuck of Messmer.
Godfrey loved him cause he the dad...
And seeing as how Marika is Radagon, both of Messmer's parents feared him and wanted nothing to do with him.
Messmer's flame negs erdtree and subsequently anyone who derives their powers from it. That means Messmer > All great rune bosses
That's literally what i been saying bro...
i don't know if you noticed but... Marika is not a smart character at all. i doubt she ever understood Messmer and his blind loyalty because she was scared of him from the start. Sending him to the shadow realm under the order of conquest was her way of getting rid of him.
So Marika just threw the omen twins into a sewer directly under her capital. But had to send away Messmer to another dimension and close the door forever.
Think about that for a second. She imprisoned omen twins who remind her of her terrible past in the land of shadow, directly under her city. But send Messmer so far away, and right into her terrible past. And he just conquered that place so easily lol.
She was scared as fuck of Messmer.
Godfrey loved him cause he the dad...
And seeing as how Marika is Radagon, both of Messmer's parents feared him and wanted nothing to do with him.
Messmer's flame negs erdtree and subsequently anyone who derives their powers from it. That means Messmer > All great rune bosses
i don't know if you noticed but... Marika is not a smart character at all. i doubt she ever understood Messmer and his blind loyalty because she was scared of him from the start. Sending him to the shadow realm under the order of conquest was her way of getting rid of him.
So Marika just threw the omen twins into a sewer directly under her capital. But had to send away Messmer to another dimension and close the door forever.
Think about that for a second. She imprisoned omen twins who remind her of her terrible past in the land of shadow, directly under her city. But send Messmer so far away, and right into her terrible past. And he just conquered that place so easily lol.
She was scared as fuck of Messmer.
Godfrey loved him cause he the dad...
And seeing as how Marika is Radagon, both of Messmer's parents feared him and wanted nothing to do with him.
Messmer's flame negs erdtree and subsequently anyone who derives their powers from it. That means Messmer > All great rune bosses
Insane
Valid but I typically don't call Sanji a pedophile (unironically) so I dunno why I was being pinged for that, they're shooting at the wrong men there 
But or course the weirdos that are too sad about imaginary characters' feats use it for ragebait.
Doesn’t this debunk your entire argument? She wasn’t scared of him because of his power level, she was scared of him because of the nature of the abyssal serpent and abyssal flame being direct enemies to the Erdtree. Why would the woman who conquered the known world fear literally one dude lmfao. Her husband is Godfrey and her brother is Maliketh. Guarantee all she had to do was tell Maliketh to get rid of Messmer and that problem disappears. lol
She literally had Omen shackles that could restrain the two Omen lol. And she didn’t “have” to do anything, she chose to send Messmer away.
Also, Messmer was just a casualty of her grand act of erasing the land of shadow. She didn’t send Messmer into another dimension to get rid of him specifically, she erased the entire land of shadow and Messmer was just a casualty of that act. Yall act like she did all this for Messmer lmfao, she didn’t. He was just a loose end to be tied up as part of a far bigger picture. Messmer could have exposed that the Hornsent genocide was Marika’s plan all along, there was a reason she needed him to no longer exist outside of his power level lmfao. @EmperorKinyagi
Nah don’t bring Radagon into this, they are two separate characters. We have no idea what Radagon thought of any of his children aside from Miquella.
She literally had Omen shackles that could restrain the two Omen lol. And she didn’t “have” to do anything, she chose to send Messmer away.
Also, Messmer was just a casualty of her grand act of erasing the land of shadow. She didn’t send Messmer into another dimension to get rid of him specifically, she erased the entire land of shadow and Messmer was just a casualty of that act. Yall act like she did all this for Messmer lmfao, she didn’t. He was just a loose end to be tied up as part of a far bigger picture. Messmer could have exposed that the Hornsent genocide was Marika’s plan all along, there was a reason she needed him to no longer exist outside of his power level lmfao. @EmperorKinyagi
Nah don’t bring Radagon into this, they are two separate characters. We have no idea what Radagon thought of any of his children aside from Miquella.
*Sees Big Mom and her "God's Valleys"/OppAIs".
Welp I'm sold.
Also TFW when we'll probably never see God's Valley incident in full so we're gonna have to "animate it ourselves" with AI or w/e or some of those actually amazing OP fan animators who make their own animations for OP. There is one GOD tier (pun intended ofc) animator who animates with MICROSOFT PAINT, using "stop motion animation" or so?
Some of the fanmade chapters we've had over the many years now have been absolutely incredible like Whitebeard vs Kaido, most of the several Akainu vs Kuzan/Aokiji fan chapters, Shanks vs Mihawk ones etc. Someone even did their own unique, incredible animation of a full all out fight of Kuzan vs Akainu, their own version of what happened on Punk Hazard ofc.
I think its been around 13 years since we heard about Akainu vs Kuzan....and we've yet to see ANY OF IT STILL TO THIS VERY DAY! Sigh...
Welp I'm sold.
Also TFW when we'll probably never see God's Valley incident in full so we're gonna have to "animate it ourselves" with AI or w/e or some of those actually amazing OP fan animators who make their own animations for OP. There is one GOD tier (pun intended ofc) animator who animates with MICROSOFT PAINT, using "stop motion animation" or so?
Some of the fanmade chapters we've had over the many years now have been absolutely incredible like Whitebeard vs Kaido, most of the several Akainu vs Kuzan/Aokiji fan chapters, Shanks vs Mihawk ones etc. Someone even did their own unique, incredible animation of a full all out fight of Kuzan vs Akainu, their own version of what happened on Punk Hazard ofc.
I think its been around 13 years since we heard about Akainu vs Kuzan....and we've yet to see ANY OF IT STILL TO THIS VERY DAY! Sigh...
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