[FNZ] Role Madness One Piece Whole Cake Island

[Lord Melkor]

No, had him as Town off of play too. I elaborate in a later post, which you'll see shortly.
No, but your expectation that I'll just know these associatives is similarly misplaced. You don't need to defend anything said there.

ok, I have seen that post now.

I was inquiring about your scum reads since I mostly agree with them, so being there myself was interesting. I did not have any reason to town read Kerk so I do need to see more of you to evaluate your slot.

You are also giving benefit of the doubt to Reloaded?

 

[Natalija]

I'm only awake at this point because I set an alarm to watch a tennis match.

First things first, about an hour after I subbed in, it looks like I've poisoned.

In terms of reads, I have the following as town - I've read maybe 45% of the thread in total.

Mitch
Prof
Pot
Watson
Mono
Kagu
Conq
Pero
Muugen

I had slight town reads on Nat and Flower, but I'm in the process of re-evaluating those as the PoE is shrinking.

Reloaded
SakazOuki
Melkor
TAC
Destroya
Pein
Rej
Nat
CakeWalker
Flower

To shrink that PoE down, I'll remove some players I don't think are scum based on what I've skimmed. Leaving me with an immediate PoE of

SakazOuki
Melkor
TAC
Pein
Rej

I want to say there should be at least 2-3 scum in the above list of 5. I'd like @Natalija to go over her town read of TAC - pending his flip currently I could slot her in there. Melkor probably the least scummy out of that list. Pein is probably scum, Rej will be scum if he continues to coast as hard as he is, but otherwise not much to read him from. Obviously think Sakaz is caught scum through the counterclaim, I can see Flower being scum in some ways but I'm struggling to see the angle if she's scum with him - she basically forced him to claim target for minimal gain, gun to head I would have her as town.

I don't think my claim is needed at the moment, but if it is, let me know.

Have you read the entire thread or? Cause you'll find me talk about TAC there many times.

I was hoping your reads might be somewhat better because you're fresh, but they're somewhat the same as others

 

[Ratchet]

You are also giving benefit of the doubt to Reloaded?

Benefit of the doubt is strong - he's not in my immediate PoE, but he can be replaced into that if townies start flipping within that immediate PoE.

Have you read the entire thread or? Cause you'll find me talk about TAC there many times.

Nope, approx just under half of it.

I was hoping your reads might be somewhat better because you're fresh, but they're somewhat the same as others

I mean, we don't know how accurate they are at this point. My reads come from me having reason to townread most of the others.

 

[Natalija]

There can even be a scum Healer and scum Poisoner. Fuji‘s taking some inspiration from WS/OLF Style games, so I wouldn‘t call this clearing.

Depends if town or scum role is a poisoner? But Joy should be poisoned by scum?

Yeah, exactly. Joygirl is someone who'd never be poisoned by town poisoner. And if there was a town poisoner and they did it by xyz mistake, they would claim by now to get Pot lynched.

 

[Natalija]

I struggle to see a scum healer AND poisoner at the same time, would really be a trash setup cause it would not be balanced for town.

 

[Natalija]

Nope, approx just under half of it.
I mean, we don't know how accurate they are at this point. My reads come from me having reason to townread most of the others.

TACy doesn't care how he looks, and he does not shitpost at all - two things he always does as scum.

Plus he's gamesolving in his paranoid ways.

Plus admitting he did not try to refill anyone... He's a clown, but he is not scum.

I think that might be a sign you're townreading scum.

 

[Ratchet]

I struggle to see a scum healer AND poisoner at the same time, would really be a trash setup cause it would not be balanced for town.

In this case the poison would be an extra kill be design wherein the healer is a fake claim to help scum and the game is expected to have at least one poison kill. But I tend to agree, and think Pot is likely town anyway.

 

[Natalija]

In this case the poison would be an extra kill be design wherein the healer is a fake claim to help scum and the game is expected to have at least one poison kill. But I tend to agree, and think Pot is likely town anyway.

Fuji usually just gives the character name for fake claims, and I think they would not dare to blindly claim healer without knowing if one existed for town. It's hard for me to put Pot to the town side, but I don't see a way for him to be scum with this claim. I do think they're playing well though, and that they're comfy in the town reads.

In the Dressrosa game we also had a poisoner, it'd be ideal if we could get rid of that person.

You really had them spooked

 

[Ratchet]

TACy doesn't care how he looks, and he does not shitpost at all - two things he always does as scum.

Plus he's gamesolving in his paranoid ways.

Plus admitting he did not try to refill anyone... He's a clown, but he is not scum.

I think that might be a sign you're townreading scum.

I'll take it on board. As for my town reads:

Mitch
Prof
Pot
Watson
Mono
Kagu
Conq
Pero
Muugen

Which of these do you think are scum. It's not going to be Prof. Maybe Watson? Otherwise I think they're all townies. I posit to resolve this list last.

Reloaded
Destroya
Nat
CakeWalker
Flower

There is a plausible chance of scum in here. 1-2, max I would say.

SakazOuki
Melkor
TAC
Pein
Rej

Which means all remaining scum should be in here.

 

[Ratchet]

Also I want to note that if the poison takes me please don't lynch Pot off the back of it.

 

[Natalija]

its hard not to tie Nat, Cyph, Saka together here. For their own sake i hope hes at least Luffy and is OP.

There's no reason for me townread a dude who's on the gallows if I was scum. Your reads are horrendous, or you're scum, but you're the former type.

furthermore she just completely ignored my counter to Sakaz all together and that’s even more telling.

if she’s town she’s to stubborn to play together and is letting her tunnel on TAC get in the way of anything but she’s also not playing correctly to her “read” on him. Nat is also playing horrendous around Saka and her scumreads all together she didn’t even vote Doc who is her “strongest scum” read and bowed out instantly on PG after he claimed.

There can be two roleblockers, not the first time, not the last time and I said that five times. Stop misrepresenting my stance by saying I "ignored it".

Your case on them? Sombrero/Cake did focus on weird mechanical stuff yesterday. Could be some TMI.

But I have just finished another game with her on OLF where she and I were both town. I was really sure she was scum that game and was wrong.

They focus on weird stuff and they always do it in a calculated matter. Maybe it's because I'm meeting them for the first time, but they don't ping me as town.

As for Dest, I think he comfortably sits in the town reads without really trying to piss anyone off, or to lead as "town".

 

[Ratchet]

There can be two roleblockers, not the first time, not the last time and I said that five times. Stop misrepresenting my stance by saying I "ignored it".

The problem is I don't think the setup warrants two roleblockers, a jailer and a rolecrusher, all for the town.

 

[Natalija]

The problem is I don't think the setup warrants two roleblockers, a jailer and a rolecrusher, all for the town.

I read Conqui and Saka town more. The other two less so.

Makes no sense to me scum Saka would admit what he did without any hesitation (roleblock someone who he indeed did sus?) and care for a cc.

However, it also makes no sense scum Muugen to cc cause he'd be easily caught in a lie if Saka flips town.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

You did not try to use your refill?

This might be dumb but, are you implying he refilled you here?

 

[Natalija]

This might be dumb but, are you implying he refilled you here?

I'm vanilla, I'm just implying he's a clown.

 

[Ratchet]

I read Conqui and Saka town more. The other two less so.

Makes no sense to me scum Saka would admit what he did without any hesitation (roleblock someone who he indeed did sus?) and care for a cc.

However, it also makes no sense scum Muugen to cc cause he'd be easily caught in a lie if Saka flips town.

Well Sakaz had to claim - he was tracked. I think it's somewhat questionable that Flower asked him for a claim over this, but it's not irreconcilable.

 

[Natalija]

Well Sakaz had to claim - he was tracked. I think it's somewhat questionable that Flower asked him for a claim over this, but it's not irreconcilable.

Yeah, but if scum roleblocker, he'd not admit a roleblock so easily knowing full well a town one would exist. It makes no sense, you get my drift?

 

[Natalija]

That's a point where you lie, not claim a roleblocker if you're scum and you know town has one guaranteed. We're solving this in a dumb way, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Ratchet]

Yeah, but if scum roleblocker, he'd not admit a roleblock so easily knowing full well a town one would exist. It makes no sense, you get my drift?

Sure, but it's also entirely possible he didn't know a town one would exist, or he had nothing else to claim. The scum case here is easier to make than any of the other claims.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Okay so people who voted for Tac last day was Flower, Prof, Saka, Tpein, Mono, Cal, Pero, and Watson. Of those players Flower voted for Tac, Prof voted for Saka, while the rest haven't voted (as of last vote count). I guess Tpein has just now voted Flower.

@MonochromeYoru @Peroroncino @Dr. Watson what are your current thoughts on Tac's slot and how has it progressed from your votes on him last day?

I still think he's sus. The wagon on him vs cal was super fishy. Cal claimed first. So he should have had the benefit of the doubt. But his wagon still went through.

But i could be wrong. I don't know how much of him is just trolling when he says stuff like he invested Nat.