Break Week Onigashima Events = Start of Ragnarok

#1
Just wanted to share these quick thoughts regarding Onigashima Raid.
We all know how Norse Mythology is one of Oda's Inspiration for his World Building & it's clearly portrayed in Elbaf Giants Culture whose Story is clearly reserved for Final Arc.
So when we think about Norse Mythology & Final War, what does come in mind? Obviously "Ragnarok"

According to Oda, things are gonna be different after Wano Arc, it's like Beginning of The End
What if Onigashima War actually represents The Signs that come before Ragnarok starts.
So i did some research & it turns out that the Current Events of Raid truly match with Signs of Ragnarok from Norse Mythology.

So let me list them for you:

1. Death of Baldr
2. The Long Winter Begins
3. Fenrir breaks Free
4. World Serpent is Awakened
5. Jotun Born Giants (They have different Forms) start to appear
6. Queen of The Dead Hel makes her move
7. Hel's Wolf swallows The Sun & The Moon
8. The Ship of Nagalfar is moved
9. Dragons start to wreck Havoc

Conveniently, most of these seem to kinda match with Onigashima Raid
Baldr is the God who cannot be Killed, clearly referring to Kaidou
And his Death is the Biggest Sign for start of Ragnarok, which obviously refers to how Kaidou's Death will be a Major Turning Point that would eventually lead to Final War of OP

The Long Winter was shown just at the start of Raid, before Scabbards even set sail
Where it was explained the Island is surrounded by very harsh & cold Weather

After that, we have the Appearance of Three Childs who are Fenrir, Jormangandr & Hel
Interestingly, Fenrir was a Chained Dog/Wolf who was released, clearly referring to Yamato
Jormangandr is Huge Snake that awakened, similar to how Momo was turned Adult & it was like his True Dragon Form was Awakened (Eastern Dragon is also called Snake)
As for Hel, she is a Queen & attributed to the Dead since she comes from Place of same name (Hel), clearly referring to Hiyori who was seen as if she came back from the Dead

Dragons wrecking Havoc clearly refers to Dragon Dragon No Mi Users, there was even a Chapter dedicated to Flying Six, showing Drake, Ulti & Page One going crazy in Live Floor.
As for Ship of Nagalfar being moved, it's most probably reference to Kaidou lifting Onigashima.
As for Jotun Born appearance, it clearly refers to Numbers.

Another Sign which didn't happen yet, but it's strongly hinted at, is Hel's Wolf Companion swallowing The Sun & The Moon & making the world fall into Total Darkness.
Since Hel refers to Hiyori, does she have a Wolf Companion who is on Onigashima? Yes, it's Denjiro, in his Viver Card, it was stated that Denjiro represents Wolfdog Animal, he even called himself a Dog multiple times in Wano Arc & conveniently he is only Scabbard who is missing for very long time, planning to do something.

So what do you think Denjiro is gonna do next that will be reference to "Destruction of Sun & Moon + Creating Total Darkness"?

Anyway, i wanted to share this so you be mindful of Ragnarok References in this Raid
This was based on only very light research, i'm pretty sure that if you guys have more knowledge about Norse Mythology or do a more extensive research, you can discover much greater Details about this Raid & even predict Upcoming Chapters

Some Tags:
@nik87 @Cinera @Light D Lamperouge @solis @The White Crane @ShadowStyle369 @HA001 @Den_Den_Mushi @Sword God Ryuma ... etc
 
#2
Just wanted to share these quick thoughts regarding Onigashima Raid.
We all know how Norse Mythology is one of Oda's Inspiration for his World Building & it's clearly portrayed in Elbaf Giants Culture whose Story is clearly reserved for Final Arc.
So when we think about Norse Mythology & Final War, what does come in mind? Obviously "Ragnarok"

According to Oda, things are gonna be different after Wano Arc, it's like Beginning of The End
What if Onigashima War actually represents The Signs that come before Ragnarok starts.
So i did some research & it turns out that the Current Events of Raid truly match with Signs of Ragnarok from Norse Mythology.

So let me list them for you:

1. Death of Baldr
2. The Long Winter Begins
3. Fenrir breaks Free
4. World Serpent is Awakened
5. Jotun Born Giants (They have different Forms) start to appear
6. Queen of The Dead Hel makes her move
7. Hel's Wolf swallows The Sun & The Moon
8. The Ship of Nagalfar is moved
9. Dragons start to wreck Havoc

Conveniently, most of these seem to kinda match with Onigashima Raid
Baldr is the God who cannot be Killed, clearly referring to Kaidou
And his Death is the Biggest Sign for start of Ragnarok, which obviously refers to how Kaidou's Death will be a Major Turning Point that would eventually lead to Final War of OP

The Long Winter was shown just at the start of Raid, before Scabbards even set sail
Where it was explained the Island is surrounded by very harsh & cold Weather

After that, we have the Appearance of Three Childs who are Fenrir, Jormangandr & Hel
Interestingly, Fenrir was a Chained Dog/Wolf who was released, clearly referring to Yamato
Jormangandr is Huge Snake that awakened, similar to how Momo was turned Adult & it was like his True Dragon Form was Awakened (Eastern Dragon is also called Snake)
As for Hel, she is a Queen & attributed to the Dead since she comes from Place of same name (Hel), clearly referring to Hiyori who was seen as if she came back from the Dead

Dragons wrecking Havoc clearly refers to Dragon Dragon No Mi Users, there was even a Chapter dedicated to Flying Six, showing Drake, Ulti & Page One going crazy in Live Floor.
As for Ship of Nagalfar being moved, it's most probably reference to Kaidou lifting Onigashima.
As for Jotun Born appearance, it clearly refers to Numbers.

Another Sign which didn't happen yet, but it's strongly hinted at, is Hel's Wolf Companion swallowing The Sun & The Moon & making the world fall into Total Darkness.
Since Hel refers to Hiyori, does she have a Wolf Companion who is on Onigashima? Yes, it's Denjiro, in his Viver Card, it was stated that Denjiro represents Wolfdog Animal, he even called himself a Dog multiple times in Wano Arc & conveniently he is only Scabbard who is missing for very long time, planning to do something.

So what do you think Denjiro is gonna do next that will be reference to "Destruction of Sun & Moon + Creating Total Darkness"?

Anyway, i wanted to share this so you be mindful of Ragnarok References in this Raid
This was based on only very light research, i'm pretty sure that if you guys have more knowledge about Norse Mythology or do a more extensive research, you can discover much greater Details about this Raid & even predict Upcoming Chapters

Some Tags:
@nik87 @Cinera @Light D Lamperouge @solis @The White Crane @ShadowStyle369 @HA001 @Den_Den_Mushi @Sword God Ryuma ... etc
:christindeed:

So, the last saga of One Piece is gonna be Ragnarok Saga? :hohoho:

Hope it does not flop as hard as Yonko Saga did. :catsweat:
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#3
Excellent!
Dragons wreaking havoc could also refer to Flying Six forcefully Awakening after Kaido's victory cry which I expect to happen any minute.
Ship of Nagalfar being moved could refer to Noah and Fishmen moving to the surface instead? Unless it specifically refers to Onigashima.

So what do you think Denjiro is gonna do next that will be reference to "Destruction of Sun & Moon + Creating Total Darkness"?
I am clueless regarding this one.
If I had to guess, I would pick Caribou since he is clearly here for a reason and he is the one who can swallow Sun and Moon but creating total darkness doesnt fit to either him or Denjiro. Perhaps Blackbeard's Black Hole reference?
 
#4
:christindeed:

So, the last saga of One Piece is gonna be Ragnarok Saga? :hohoho:

Hope it does not flop as hard as Yonko Saga did. :catsweat:
I totally believe that
For example Grand Line seem to be reference to Bifrost
And do you know who is awaiting at Entrance of Bifrost? Someone with Clairvoyant Eyes? A Swordsman? Who denies Entry to those Unworthy?

I'm sure that Heimdall was one of Inspiration to create Mihawk.
What's interesting is that Heimdall is the one who announces Ragnarok
I wonder if Oda gonna make Mihawk the one who triggers Final War !!

I think it would be great to find all other Ragnarok References to discover the Endgame Characters & their Roles
 
#9
Excellent!
Dragons wreaking havoc could also refer to Flying Six forcefully Awakening after Kaido's victory cry which I expect to happen any minute.
Ship of Nagalfar being moved could refer to Noah and Fishmen moving to the surface instead? Unless it specifically refers to Onigashima.
I think we already had a Chapter showing Drake & Ulti/Page One full Zoan Form wrecking havoc in Live Floor
But i'm definitely open for Kaidou's Awakening Cry, it would be cool
I am clueless regarding this one.
If I had to guess, I would pick Caribou since he is clearly here for a reason and he is the one who can swallow Sun and Moon but creating total darkness doesnt fit to either him or Denjiro. Perhaps Blackbeard's Black Hole reference?
I think it simply refers to Denjiro creating Total Darkness in Castle by taking out all Flames & Lights
Flames are like The Sun & Lights are like the Moon (Since it's Reflected Light)

There is also possibility that Queen of Dead's Wolf Companion refers to Onimaru (Guy from Bridge)
Who might do the same thing i just mentioned instead of Denjiro
Thats great!

"The destruction of the Great Powers will bring Chaos" I knew that Oda will somehow make a big reference there but i never expected this. I like this and i am looking forward to read more. Tag me from now on!

:goyea:
Thanks, will definitely do
Some people mentioned in the Anime Intro The Skull Awakend with lit I'm his eyes and some weird skin around his horns.

Give me some Surtur Marvel Thor vibes.
That's good catch
I personally believe Kanjuro's Fire Yokai is also reference to Surtur, since it was a Giant Fire Demon trying to destroy the entire Island
 
#10
That's good catch
I personally believe Kanjuro's Fire Yokai is also reference to Surtur, since it was a Giant Fire Demon trying to destroy the entire Island
Some people mentioned in the Anime Intro The Skull Awakend with lit I'm his eyes and some weird skin around his horns.

Give me some Surtur Marvel Thor vibes.
Maybe the Skull represent the Race of Ancient Giants and IF JoyBoy/Nika was "supposed" to be a Giant and Luffy awakens to have his "Ability" and not forgetting the fact that Luffy has the means to "Creating Limbs Bigger than Normal Giants AKA Ancient Giants Limbs" Would it be far fetched to think that Luffy will play the "Role" since he is the reason the whole "World" will burn in Chaos.
 
#12
Crazy theory: Denjiro is part of the preparations that Raizo was talking about and the Scabbards had a backup plan should they fail. The plan involves waking up the Onigashima Skull (the one hinted in the Anime) and it was not BM who did it but the Scabbards did it after they found something in the basement, treasure repo and some legend or myth that they knew beforehand. (This break is breaking people.)
 
#13
I totally believe that
For example Grand Line seem to be reference to Bifrost
And do you know who is awaiting at Entrance of Bifrost? Someone with Clairvoyant Eyes? A Swordsman? Who denies Entry to those Unworthy?

I'm sure that Heimdall was one of Inspiration to create Mihawk.
What's interesting is that Heimdall is the one who announces Ragnarok
I wonder if Oda gonna make Mihawk the one who triggers Final War !!

I think it would be great to find all other Ragnarok References to discover the Endgame Characters & their Roles
Mihawk does not necessarily safeguard the Grand Line, though. :hope:

Your Kaido = Baldr comparison is interesting, btw, since Baldr was virtually invincible from physical harm, with a mistletoe (IIRC) being the only thing that can hurt (and eventually kill) him. :kawak:

And now we got Enma being the only thing that ever left a scar on Kaido. :hohoho:

So, I guess, ZKK is indeed upon us all. :finally:

The tards who keep repeating that Woro is done for the arc is gonna need a whole universe-full of copium soon. :kobeha:
 
#15
Blind review: kinda makes sense since Shanks also has vikings theme and he has major role in last war.
Oda inspiration to create One Piece entirely came from Viki The Viking Cartoon, so Norse Mythology & Vikings Culture are definitely very important for the Story & it seems he is reserving all that for Final Arc
Maybe the Skull represent the Race of Ancient Giants and IF JoyBoy/Nika was "supposed" to be a Giant and Luffy awakens to have his "Ability" and not forgetting the fact that Luffy has the means to "Creating Limbs Bigger than Normal Giants AKA Ancient Giants Limbs" Would it be far fetched to think that Luffy will play the "Role" since he is the reason the whole "World" will burn in Chaos.
That can definitely fit, Law also says "D. will cause a Storm again" which seems to reference some kind of End World Prophecy, and Luffy is definitely gonna be in the middle of it
Mihawk does not necessarily safeguard the Grand Line, though. :hope:

Your Kaido = Baldr comparison is interesting, btw, since Baldr was virtually invincible from physical harm, with a mistletoe (IIRC) being the only thing that can hurt (and eventually kill) him. :kawak:

And now we got Enma being the only thing that ever left a scar on Kaido. :hohoho:

So, I guess, ZKK is indeed upon us all. :finally:

The tards who keep repeating that Woro is done for the arc is gonna need a whole universe-full of copium soon. :kobeha:
That's exactly my thought, ZKK is more convincing every day

As for Mihawk, i didn't mean he is Guardian of Grand Line, but the way he was designed seems to reference Heimdall
For example:

He have Hawk-Eyes & Oda said that his Epithet was gonna be "Clairvoyant"
His Viver Card describes him as someone who is best at evaluating others & reading them + Unparalleled Eyesight
He was introduced as someone who denied Krieg & his Huge Fleet entry to Grand Line
And then Oda showed us that the guy easily roams the seas & can enter & exit different seas with no problem
My only issue is that you could not reference Luffy or Zoro on it. You say death of Kaido which can only be accomplish by Zoro but you didn't mentioned it. How is that Baldr killed?
SHs are Oda's addition to the Story, they don't necessarily need to be referenced in Norse Mythology, cuz he isn't trying to do a direct Copy, just References included in his own version of this Story

However the signs are definitely happening on Onigashima

Baldr (Kaidou), Dragons (Flying Six), Long Winter & Nagalfar Rise (Onigashima), Fenrir Wolf (Yamato), World Serpent (Momo),
Queen of Dead & her Wolf Companion (Hiyori with Denjiro or Onimaru), Jotun Giants (Numbers) ... etc

These things don't necessarily need to happen similar to Source Material, but the general idea should be the same.
All that's left now is Baldr's Death to Trigger Start of Ragnarok

I said it many times, Kaidou's Death gonna start something Catastrophic
I still don't believe DF that Gorosei were talking about is Luffy's (I think what's happening to Luffy is something they didn't plan for)
I believe they were talking about Kaidou's DF which will trigger something when it's User dies, that's why they wanted to stop Luffy at all costs, fearing that he might be able to defeat Kaidou
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#16
Crazy theory: Denjiro is part of the preparations that Raizo was talking about and the Scabbards had a backup plan should they fail. The plan involves waking up the Onigashima Skull (the one hinted in the Anime) and it was not BM who did it but the Scabbards did it after they found something in the basement, treasure repo and some legend or myth that they knew beforehand. (This break is breaking people.)
What would the skull do basically? The theory is interesting by the way.
 
#17
Oda inspiration to create One Piece entirely came from Viki The Viking Cartoon, so Norse Mythology & Vikings Culture are definitely very important for the Story & it seems he is reserving all that for Final Arc

That can definitely fit, Law also says "D. will cause a Storm again" which seems to reference some kind of End World Prophecy, and Luffy is definitely gonna be in the middle of it

That's exactly my thought, ZKK is more convincing every day

As for Mihawk, i didn't mean he is Guardian of Grand Line, but the way he was designed seems to reference Heimdall
For example:

He have Hawk-Eyes & Oda said that his Epithet was gonna be "Clairvoyant"
His Viver Card describes him as someone who is best at evaluating others & reading them + Unparalleled Eyesight
He was introduced as someone who denied Krieg & his Huge Fleet entry to Grand Line
And then Oda showed us that the guy easily roams the seas & can enter & exit different seas with no problem

SHs are Oda's addition to the Story, they don't necessarily need to be referenced in Norse Mythology, cuz he isn't trying to do a direct Copy, just References included in his own version of this Story

However the signs are definitely happening on Onigashima

Baldr (Kaidou), Dragons (Flying Six), Long Winter & Nagalfar Rise (Onigashima), Fenrir Wolf (Yamato), World Serpent (Momo),
Queen of Dead & her Wolf Companion (Hiyori with Denjiro or Onimaru), Jotun Giants (Numbers) ... etc

These things don't necessarily need to happen similar to Source Material, but the general idea should be the same.
All that's left now is Baldr's Death to Trigger Start of Ragnarok

I said it many times, Kaidou's Death gonna start something Catastrophic
I still don't believe DF that Gorosei were talking about is Luffy's (I think what's happening to Luffy is something they didn't plan for)
I believe they were talking about Kaidou's DF which will trigger something when it's User dies, that's why they wanted to stop Luffy at all costs, fearing that he might be able to defeat Kaidou
Good point about Mihawk. Interesting post. :cheers:
 
H

Herrera95

#18
I said it many times, Kaidou's Death gonna start something Catastrophic
I still don't believe DF that Gorosei were talking about is Luffy's (I think what's happening to Luffy is something they didn't plan for)
I believe they were talking about Kaidou's DF which will trigger something when it's User dies, that's why they wanted to stop Luffy at all costs, fearing that he might be able to defeat Kaidou
I agree. Oda is pushing us to believe is about Luffy but he often does that to go other way and everybody blow their minds.

But again, you are being very specific about Kaido dying but not saying how it happens. I'm asking to you how it happens at mitology and how could we translate to One Piece?
 
#19
I agree. Oda is pushing us to believe is about Luffy but he often does that to go other way and everybody blow their minds.

But again, you are being very specific about Kaido dying but not saying how it happens. I'm asking to you how it happens at mitology and how could we translate to One Piece?
The reason i didn't dive deeper into that is because their Invulnerability seems to work differently, but i'm not entirely sure.
We need to see Kaidou's Flashback first to be certian.

Baldr was God of Beauty & Joy & Purity (This could be a Reference to Kaidou being thought to be Joy Boy)
He was The Favorite of Gods, they all loved him (Again, possible Reference to Joy Boy)
One day, Baldr had Nightmares about his Death, so the Gods due to how much they love him, decided to make him secured from any Danger.
(This could be Reference to Celestial Dragons & what happened in God's Valley. Also Kaidou's Obsession with Death)

The Goddess Frigg (His Mother & btw, his Father is Odin) was the one who turned him Invulnerable by taking an Oath from everything including Elements like Fire & Water, Iron & any kind of Metals, Stones, Trees, Poison, Sickness, Beasts, Birds, Mythical Creatures ... etc
(Could it be that Frigg is Reference to Imu-Sama? That's possible. Or maybe it was the Azure Dragon which was enhanced to become Fully Invulnerable, hence why Celestial Dragons were at God's Valley & also Rocks Pirates, but Kaidou ended up taking the Fruit himself, which is why Big Mom consider it a Life-Time Favor since she helped him & also why WG captured him, trying to recover it, but when it failed, it tried to Copy it & apparently it failed too, but who knows)

It's said that after Baldr became Invulnerable, many Gods were enjoying themselves testing a lot of things against him, but nothing could kill him. (This could be Reference to Kaidou's many Fights, Captures, Defeats & Executions which were mentioned during his Introduction)

However, only one God wasn't pleased with Baldr's Gift & that's Loki (Dunno if it references the same Loki from Elbaf, or it's someone else).
Loki asked Frigg if she made a vow with everything & she answered that she only missed one thing, & that's Mistletoe (A Plant), because She deemed it too young & harmless that she didn't bother talking to. (I can't think of any Plant Reference in Wano, but it seems that the only thing that can Kill Kaidou is something he never faced before & possibly something he never imagined could harm him. Is it the Straw Hat? Is it related to Flower Capital & Tree found there? Have to think more about it)

Anyway, so Loki went to Baldr's Brother Hod/Hoder & asked him "Why don't you also shoot at Baldr?"
Hod said he have no Weapon, so Loki gave him Mistletoe Arrows or a Weapon created from the Plant
So Hod shot Baldr with it & he died. It was all due to Loki's Trickery (Who btw is famous for his Shapeshifting)
(It could be related to the Shinigami that Zoro is facing right now or maybe it's related to Black Swords or Luffy with Joy Boy)

This is the Story in general, there is also the Fact that after Baldr died, Odin had a Son & made him grow in just 1 year & ordered him to avenge Baldr, which he did by killing Hoder. It's also said that Baldr's Body burned alongside his Ship in his Funeral & currently Onigashima represents that Ship & it's indeed on Fire, so there is big possibility that Kaidou is going down with it, which sympbolizes a Viking's Funeral just like Going Merry)

Frigg turning Baldr Unkillable could be reference to Big Mom giving Azure Dragon DF to Kaidou
Loki being one of the Gods who hated seeing Baldr like that, means he represents someone whom Kaidou faced before.
I believe he represents Oden, because Fenrir, World Serpent & Queen of The Dead are all children of Loki, who clearly represent Momo, Hiyori & Yamato (Who are all like Oden 2.0)

Meaning that Kaidou is gonna be killed by a Weapon that once belonged to Oden & then was given to someone else.
Holy shit, this could be another Reference to ZKK

Zoro is indeed the one who was given Weapon to harm Kaidou
And as i said above, Oden (Father of Baldr who could represent Rocks D. Xebec in this case) created a Son & sent him to avenge Kaidou.
Which explains what we are seeing right now with Zoro vs Shinigami !!!
 
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Herrera95

#20
The reason i didn't dive deeper into that is because their Invulnerability seems to work differently, but i'm not entirely sure.
We need to see Kaidou's Flashback first to be certian.

Baldr was God of Beauty & Joy & Purity (This could be a Reference to Kaidou being thought to be Joy Boy)
He was The Favorite of Gods, they all loved him (Again, possible Reference to Joy Boy)
One day, Baldr had Nightmares about his Death, so the Gods due to how much they love him, decided to make him secured from any Danger.
(This could be Reference to Celestial Dragons & what happened in God's Valley. Also Kaidou's Obsession with Death)

The Goddess Frigg (His Mother & btw, his Father is Odin) was the one who turned him Invulnerable by taking an Oath from everything including Elements like Fire & Water, Iron & any kind of Metals, Stones, Trees, Poison, Sickness, Beasts, Birds, Mythical Creatures ... etc
(Could it be that Frigg is Reference to Imu-Sama? That's possible. Or maybe it was the Azure Dragon which was enhanced to become Fully Invulnerable, hence why Celestial Dragons were at God's Valley & also Rocks Pirates, but Kaidou ended up taking the Fruit himself, which is why Big Mom consider it a Life-Time Favor since she helped him & also why WG captured him, trying to recover it, but when it failed, it tried to Copy it & apparently it failed too, but who knows)

It's said that after Baldr became Invulnerable, many Gods were enjoying themselves testing a lot of things against him, but nothing could kill him. (This could be Reference to Kaidou's many Fights, Captures, Defeats & Executions which were mentioned during his Introduction)

However, only one God wasn't pleased with Baldr's Gift & that's Loki (Dunno if it references the same Loki from Elbaf, or it's someone else).
Loki asked Frigg if she made a vow with everything & she answered that she only missed one thing, & that's Mistletoe (A Plant), because She deemed it too young & harmless that she didn't bother talking to. (I can't think of any Plant Reference in Wano, but it seems that the only thing that can Kill Kaidou is something he never faced before & possibly something he never imagined could harm him. Is it the Straw Hat? Is it related to Flower Capital & Tree found there? Have to think more about it)

Anyway, so Loki went to Baldr's Brother Hod/Hoder & asked him "Why don't you also shoot at Baldr?"
Hod said he have no Weapon, so Loki gave him Mistletoe Arrows or a Weapon created from the Plant
So Hod shot Baldr with it & he died. It was all due to Loki's Trickery (Who btw is famous for his Shapeshifting)
(It could be related to the Shinigami that Zoro is facing right now or maybe it's related to Black Swords or Luffy with Joy Boy)

This is the Story in general, there is also the Fact that after Baldr died, Odin had a Son & made him grow in just 1 year & ordered him to avenge Baldr, which he did by killing Hoder. It's also said that Baldr's Body burned alongside his Ship in his Funeral & currently Onigashima represents that Ship & it's indeed on Fire, so there is big possibility that Kaidou is going down with it, which sympbolizes a Viking's Funeral just like Going Merry)
This gave me Usopp Kills Kaido vibes. Not Usopp directly but he doing a weapon or helping in the proccess.

Dunno why you said Frigg to be Im-sama, it fits much more Big Mom.
 
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