General & Others Parallels: Kid Pirates - Red Hair Pirates - Roger Pirates

[Xione]

Now now now before y'all get on the "FUCK YOU MF!!! KID AINT SHIT!! KID PIRATES NOT IT!!!" Read the thread. Y'all gone see I'm not cappin. Everything will be based on actual manga panels. This is not a Kid wank thread, so leave aside any Kid slander or hate when reading or discussing. The discussion is simply on the crews.


Many in the fandom think the Strawhat pirates are supposed to parallel RHP... or even further especially the Roger Pirates. For me I don't see it. The actual CREW that parallels the Roger pirates/RHP is Kid's crew not Luffy's.

The Captain & The Right Hand Man:

The very core of these 3 crews is based around 2 people. The Captain and the Right Hand Man. The relationship is carried over to the crew as well. Where the roles of the Captain and his right hand man are defined in authority, along with it being represented in their relationship/interactions.

The captain is the goofy one with an ambition while the right hand man is the highly intellectual one who can draw up plans.

Rayleigh - High intellect who planned out things for Luffy.
Beckman - noted to be the smartest one during the East Blue saga
Killer - plans things out for Kid

^^ This is not Zoro. Zoro in terms of IQ has been constantly compared to Luffy. While Zoro shares some traits with the above like being stoic and such, he does not fulfill their role.

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Shanks discussing his upcoming plans with Beckman. Just as Kid discusses his upcoming plans with Killer:

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You have the emphasis on Kid - Killer being "partners", akin to Roger & Ray. While this has never been highlighted to this extent for Luffy-Zoro, we only had Smoker calling them partners (not to say they aren't partners, but they're not a two-man show like these 3 pairings, y'all see why I say this later). Oda titling a whole chapter called "partner" just for Kid-Killer, bringing up them calling each other "partner" just like Roger called Ray.

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Killer despite being the RHM, also has a "duo" with another underling, Heat. Much like Ray-Gaban (Beckman also a lil duo with Lucky Roux if you look at chapter 1):

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In this duo of Ray-Gaban, Killer-Heat. Only the RHM refers to the captain informally with their names, while Gaban/Heat refer to their captain as "captain"/"Boss" even in informal convos (Unlike the SHP):

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Roger-Shanks-Kid all have had emphasis on being furious/mad if somebody hurts their friends:

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Strawhat Pirates are different:

As mentioned above the core of those three crew is are the two-man duos of the Captain & the smartass RHM. For the Strawhats it's not the same. The "core" of the crew for the Strawhats is a 3-man combo of Luffy - Zoro - Nami (I don't believe i need to go into details of how much Oda has emphasized this trio). The three being referred to as the "triggers" of One Piece.

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This is essentially the same as Luffy's own father with Kuma & Ivankov. Which is a trio that served as the core of the Revolutionary Army.

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Now within this trio Luffy-Zoro are closer much like Dragon-Kuma are closer. Which is why Zoro & Kuma even shared that moment in Thriller Bark. Where Dragon's "Zoro" testing out his son's "Zoro". And then proceeds to comment on the crew:

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And UNLIKE the Roger Pirates/Kid Pirates/RHP. Dragon's main crew refers to Dragon as.... Dragon. Not as "captain" "commander" "Chief" "Boss". Simply Dragon. Whether it be Koala/Sabo/Ivankov. Exactly as Luffy being called "Luffy" be all of the main strawhats when it comes to informal convos. The Strawhat pirates are essentially if Dragon had decided to become a Pirate, rather than a revolutionary army.

Concluding:

For me, Kid Pirates are the best CREW parallels to the RHP & Roger Pirates. It's not the Strawhat pirates.


Are there parrallels between Ray-Zoro? Yes. But so are there between Killer -Ray.
Are there parralells between Roger-Luffy? Yes. But so are there between Luffy-Dragon Luffy-Garp, etc.

These characters have many individual parallels. However, for me when it comes to simply the CREWS the crew that parallels the Roger Pirates & RHP is not Luffy's, It's Captain Kid's crew. And I repeat this is not about powerlevels, so try to stay away from that. But yea just my two-cents on this.

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Share your thoughts!

 

[OnePiss]

The Kid Pirates ain’t shit
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Ivankov and Nami😂😂😂😂

I mean are you reading 5 Piece

There are absolutely 0 parallels there. How can you say Kuma and Zoro parallel when we haven’t even seen his flashback

 

[Warine]

Kid's pirate gas:risitavirus:

 

[OnePiss]

How can you compare “Heat” to Scopper Gaban

The guy has like panels in the whole story😂😂

 

[Xione]

The Kid Pirates ain’t shit
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Ivankov and Nami😂😂😂😂

I mean are you reading 5 Piece

There are absolutely 0 parallels there. How can you say Kuma and Zoro parallel when we haven’t even seen his flashback

You're aiming to turn this into individual parallels. That's not what this thread if for, I'd recommend finding a different one.

The core of the strawhats is: Luffy-Zoro-Nami
The core of the Revolutionary was: Dragon - Kuma - Ivankov

In that trio, Luffy & Zoro are the closest, just as Dragon & Kuma are the closest.

Why do you need to see Kuma's flashback? Kuma was Dragon's closest subordinate the only one who knew about Dragon having a son. Zoro is luffy's closest subordinate. And they (Kuma-Zoro) also just happened to have one of the biggest interactions in the series.

The focus here is the CREWS, not individual parallels. I didn't say Strawhat pirates = Revolutionary Army lol.

How can you compare “Heat” to Scopper Gaban

The guy has like panels in the whole story😂😂

Yes the guy who has more panels than Scopper Gaban can't be compared to him. Make that make sense somehow.

 

[Herrera95]

Your error is to trace a parallel between Shanks and Roger. This doesn't exist.

Only Luffy and Zoro are paralleled to Roger and Rayleigh.

 

[Xione]

Your error is to trace a parallel between Shanks and Roger. This doesn't exist.

Only Luffy and Zoro are paralleled to Roger and Rayleigh.

Not really. Even in individual basis Luffy and Zoro don't parallel Roger and Ray. The dynamic is completely different.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The captain/right hand thing is something you see in most pirate crews. Ex.

• Kaido and King
• Croc and Mr 1
• BM and Streusen(BM’s original RHM)
  

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The SHs have it too. Zoro is the most important SH after Luffy, he’s the first mate and Luffy’s best friend.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I mean....

 

[Yato]

Now now now before y'all get on the "FUCK YOU MF!!! KID AINT SHIT!! KID PIRATES NOT IT!!!" Read the thread. Y'all gone see I'm not cappin. Everything will be based on actual manga panels. This is not a Kid wank thread, so leave aside any Kid slander or hate when reading or discussing. The discussion is simply on the crews.


Many in the fandom think the Strawhat pirates are supposed to parallel RHP... or even further especially the Roger Pirates. For me I don't see it. The actual CREW that parallels the Roger pirates/RHP is Kid's crew not Luffy's.

The Captain & The Right Hand Man:

The very core of these 3 crews is based around 2 people. The Captain and the Right Hand Man. The relationship is carried over to the crew as well. Where the roles of the Captain and his right hand man are defined in authority, along with it being represented in their relationship/interactions.

The captain is the goofy one with an ambition while the right hand man is the highly intellectual one who can draw up plans.

Wait what:risitavirus: draw up plans ? :risitavirus::risitavirus::risitavirus:
Im not even reading the rest of it:hapnoel:

 

[Herrera95]

Not really. Even in individual basis Luffy and Zoro don't parallel Roger and Ray. The dynamic is completely different.

Shanks said Luffy told him the same words as Roger. Luffy and Roger has the same dream. They both smile when they are sure they will die. They always face the enemy no matter how hard or disadvantage looks like to him.

Zoro and Rayleigh pretty much the biggest parallel is their epithet(new to Zoro) Dark King and King of Hell.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Kid post elbaf:

 

[Xione]

Shanks said Luffy told him the same words as Roger. Luffy and Roger has the same dream. They both smile when they are sure they will die. They always face the enemy no matter how hard or disadvantage looks like to him.

Zoro and Rayleigh pretty much the biggest parallel is their epithet(new to Zoro) Dark King and King of Hell.

Yes Luffy has the same dream as Roger. That's a similarity they have yea.

Garp smiles like a mf when taking on anyone, just like Luffy.
Oda wrote in the vivre card "Just like Luffy Garp loves freedom" or sum shit.
Garp out here trying to roll up on a Yonko with a bunch of fodder. Just like Luffy don't give a fuck.
Both are fist combatants
Both had essentially the same childhood in the forest

Then you have Dragon who has plenty of parallels with Luffy. Then you have Joyboy /Nika parallel... so on and so forth.


Zoro & Rayleigh's only parallel is their scars & them being the right hand man to the Pirate King. Outside of that they aren't the same. Rayleigh has never once been implied to have a personal ambition he was aiming for. Which is like Killer & Beckman. Rayleigh wasn't the WSS of his era, Roger was.

I've already stated in another thread, there is no 1 parallel for Luffy & Zoro. You can find parallels in regards to certain things, but really there is no identical. They parallel multiple people.


But I fail to see what this has to do with the thread, the thread is about parallel of crew structure. Not individual parallels of people.

 

[Herrera95]

Yes Luffy has the same dream as Roger. That's a similarity they have yea.

Garp smiles like a mf when taking on anyone, just like Luffy.
Oda wrote in the vivre card "Just like Luffy Garp loves freedom" or sum shit.
Garp out here trying to roll up on a Yonko with a bunch of fodder. Just like Luffy don't give a fuck.
Both are fist combatants
Both had essentially the same childhood in the forest

Then you have Dragon who has plenty of parallels with Luffy. Then you have Joyboy /Nika parallel... so on and so forth.


Zoro & Rayleigh's only parallel is their scars & them being the right hand man to the Pirate King. Outside of that they aren't the same. Rayleigh has never once been implied to have a personal ambition he was aiming for. Which is like Killer & Beckman. Rayleigh wasn't the WSS of his era, Roger was.

I've already stated in another thread, there is no 1 parallel for Luffy & Zoro. You can find parallels in regards to certain things, but really there is no identical. They parallel multiple people.


But I fail to see what this has to do with the thread, the thread is about parallel of crew structure. Not individual parallels of people.

Oda doesn't write Vivre Cards. Vivre Cards are not canon.

Garp is not trying to beat Teach or any shit. He is trying to rescue Koby. Teach is fighting Law there is no best moment for that. And Koby is probably on his island when Teach is out there.

Where did you come with the idea that Garp smiles in a fight if we never saw him fighting? We just saw him punching Marco and getting punched by Luffy.

Garp is a fist combatant. Luffy has a DF and uses his leg a lot too.

Bunch of people likes freedom, pretty much all the revos and the people joining the revolution in countries, also the ones who has being slaved and fishmen.

You are taking similarities and calling them parallels. That's the problem.

Luffy saying and having the same dream as Roger is a really big deal. You don't have that shit with anyone else.

Just like Zoro and Rayleigh having that dark theme King epithet while they are the right hand man of the King of the Pirates(or future King).

Those individuals parallels are important because their crew will follow the same. Luffy's crew parallels Roger and not Shanks. But we don't have enough information to be clear about that.

What we know about each crew:

First of all Luffy never went to a place just to recruit someone like Shanks did with Yasopp.

Second, we never saw Luffy or Shanks asking for someone of other crew to join then like Roger did with Oden.

Third, we lack to know the other members of Roger and Shanks crew and their "jobs". So far I never saw a doctor on Shanks crew but the other 2 have one.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

@Pantheos how much did you paid him?

 

[Xione]

You are taking similarities and calling them parallels. That's the problem.

Are you not doing the same?? Simply looking at the few similarities between Luffy-Roger / Zoro - Rayleigh to call them a parallel and then simply flat out ignoring all the similarities that exist with Zoro-other characters & Luffy- other characters.

As I said if you're debating for individual parallels then I've already made the post in the Zoro-Whitebeard parallel thread, that neither Zoro or Luffy have a singular parallel.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

They have similar dynamics. The partners, the father/mother and son relationship, the trios, etc. Most relevant crews are like this.

 

[Pantheos]

@Pantheos how much did you paid him?

he get some fried fish to dinner.

BTT:
Goat thread with a lot of thoughts I didn’t had before, thank you for it. :cheers:

also, most people seem like they didn’t understand what you were saying in this thread, like you never said Kid is a copy of Roger, you compared the crew dynamics and with that point, you are absolutely right.

 

[Herrera95]

Are you not doing the same?? Simply looking at the few similarities between Luffy-Roger / Zoro - Rayleigh to call them a parallel and then simply flat out ignoring all the similarities that exist with Zoro-other characters & Luffy- other characters.

As I said if you're debating for individual parallels then I've already made the post in the Zoro-Whitebeard parallel thread, that neither Zoro or Luffy have a singular parallel.

As I said, Luffy and Roger having same dream is something that no one else does. This is a parallel and not only a similarity.

Zoro and Rayleigh having dark theme epithets while being the right hand man of Pirate King is a parallel not a simply similarity.

I know those things are close but you can understand that they are different. Zoro and Rayleigh parallel is much weaker than Luffy and Roger too.

And I already answered the thread. There is no enough information to trace a parallel of Shanks or Roger crew.

 

[JayKitetsu]

The captain is the goofy one with an ambition while the right hand man is the highly intellectual one who can draw up plans.

Rayleigh - High intellect who planned out things for Luffy.
Beckman - noted to be the smartest one during the East Blue saga
Killer - plans things out for Kid

^^ This is not Zoro. Zoro in terms of IQ has been constantly compared to Luffy. While Zoro shares some traits with the above like being stoic and such, he does not fulfill their role.

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Shanks discussing his upcoming plans with Beckman. Just as Kid discusses his upcoming plans with Killer:

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I disagree with this. You can't say Zoro has low IQ on par with Luffy just from these 2 panel of Luffy clowning him. I believe the panel on the right is referencing Zoro's getting lost gag. There's been multiple occasions in the series where Zoro makes plans for Luffy and the Strawhats:

1. Zoro came up with a plan to wrap their arms to counter Bon Clay's DF back in Alabasta, along with a contingency plan if the first one falls through:

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2. He broke down and assessed the situation with Robin back in W7 and tells the crew how they should move within in this matter

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3. Zoro's plans for the crew about handling Usopp. He even calls Luffy an idiot during is assessment lol

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4. Zoro's quick plan on the fly to get Luffy, himself and Kinemon in Doffy's palace

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5. Zoro's analysis about the Sanji/Big Mom situation in Zou and how the crew should handle it. Even though Luffy went against it Zoro still assessed the situation pragmatically with the info he had to work with.

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Also, Zoro and Luffy have been portrayed as a two man team multiple times outside of the Romance Dawn Trio. The beginning of Wano Act 1, the aqua laguna team up as well as the current arc setup with the recent chapters. That's just off the top of my head.

I agree with most of what you said other than this.