Character Discussion People sleep on Burgess but he will shock you
You see the panels of him standing with the crew. You see the panels of the crew getting hit and showing damage. And you see the panels of Lafitte reuniting undamaged with the sound effect for high speed movement.
You’re just ignoring canon because you think he’ll fight Nami despite having no connection
You’re just ignoring canon because you think he’ll fight Nami despite having no connection
Any panels of Lafitte standing with the crew when Ace used Fire Pillar? Even if he did stood with the crew, what about the panels of Lafitte dodging. Zipping back to the crew after Fire Pillar and looking undamaged isn't going to cut it (Doc Q and Burgess didn't look damaged either).
This "canon" you speak of doesn't exist.
For one, both are navigators. That's a big deal if the Blackbeard Pirates are dark foils to the Straw Hat Pirates. And unlike Pizarro, Lafitte is closer to the mold of a Nami opponent by acting and looking effeminate.
@Yasheen
This is the most blatant form of projection. You push for Sabo VS Burgess to brush away anything that points to Jimbei being closer to the M3 than he is to the other six. You push greed being the number one issue with Pizarro's tyranny like it's fact but dismiss him and Sanji being former North Blue royalty.
This "canon" you speak of doesn't exist.
For one, both are navigators. That's a big deal if the Blackbeard Pirates are dark foils to the Straw Hat Pirates. And unlike Pizarro, Lafitte is closer to the mold of a Nami opponent by acting and looking effeminate.
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@Yasheen
This is the most blatant form of projection. You push for Sabo VS Burgess to brush away anything that points to Jimbei being closer to the M3 than he is to the other six. You push greed being the number one issue with Pizarro's tyranny like it's fact but dismiss him and Sanji being former North Blue royalty.
Read chapter 440, Lafitte is literally standing with Blackbeard then Van Augur then initiated the fight and once ace fought back Lafitte was not to be seen, then reappears after the attack using the super speed sound effect.
Jinbe isn’t closer to the M3 than the rest of the crew, Oda already showed that with Wano. Sabo vs Burgess is just a more interesting fight story and character wise than Jinbe vs Burgess which only relies on “they’re helmsman.” And yeah Pizarros name is the corrupt king and endows himself in jewels gold and expensive clothing. Like Nami does. Or the fact that he was introduced as someone who meows and has a cat motif. Like Nami does. Lafitte vs Nami has no standing except that he’s a navigator which literally has had no showing in the manga anyways.
Jinbe isn’t closer to the M3 than the rest of the crew, Oda already showed that with Wano. Sabo vs Burgess is just a more interesting fight story and character wise than Jinbe vs Burgess which only relies on “they’re helmsman.” And yeah Pizarros name is the corrupt king and endows himself in jewels gold and expensive clothing. Like Nami does. Or the fact that he was introduced as someone who meows and has a cat motif. Like Nami does. Lafitte vs Nami has no standing except that he’s a navigator which literally has had no showing in the manga anyways.
Which is why there is no proof of Lafitte dodging Fire Pillar.
No he hasn't.
It's weird that you agree with the pattern I've pointed out but dismiss roles-versus-roles when the pattern is based on roles-versus-roles. And to say those match-ups are merely reliant on roles is being disingenuous.
But is still confirmed by Oda.
No he hasn't.
It's weird that you agree with the pattern I've pointed out but dismiss roles-versus-roles when the pattern is based on roles-versus-roles. And to say those match-ups are merely reliant on roles is being disingenuous.
But is still confirmed by Oda.
Jinbe fought a Tobi roppo
Franky fought a Tobi roppo
Robin fought a Tobi Roppo
Nami fought a Tobi roppo
Usopp fought a Tobi Roppo
Zoro fought a calamity
Sanji fought a calamity
Luffy fought a yonko
Yeah jinbe was already grouped with the other straw hats. Oda separated Zoro and Sanji on purpose.
And i base it off of crew structure. Oda showcased four Blackbeard Pirates when luffy became a fifth emperor.
Of those four two were separated further, shiryu and Lafitte, AKA Zoro and Sanjis opponents. So just like Oda there are five primary members (the east blue five) and of them two are the most prominent (Zoro and Sanji)
Franky fought a Tobi roppo
Robin fought a Tobi Roppo
Nami fought a Tobi roppo
Usopp fought a Tobi Roppo
Zoro fought a calamity
Sanji fought a calamity
Luffy fought a yonko
Yeah jinbe was already grouped with the other straw hats. Oda separated Zoro and Sanji on purpose.
And i base it off of crew structure. Oda showcased four Blackbeard Pirates when luffy became a fifth emperor.
Of those four two were separated further, shiryu and Lafitte, AKA Zoro and Sanjis opponents. So just like Oda there are five primary members (the east blue five) and of them two are the most prominent (Zoro and Sanji)
Why are you still using that when Skypiea debunked it?
He also separated King and Queen from Jack on purpose.
A structure and pattern that is based on roles-versus-roles.
A confirmed combatant but a swordsman and the #2.
A navigator.
A sniper.
No confirmed chef but former North Blue royalty.
Or they're referencing the Romance Dawn trio.
He also separated King and Queen from Jack on purpose.
A structure and pattern that is based on roles-versus-roles.
A confirmed combatant but a swordsman and the #2.
A navigator.
A sniper.
No confirmed chef but former North Blue royalty.
Or they're referencing the Romance Dawn trio.
Skypeia was one arc where barely any of the crew got full fights and there were no power ups or growth. Wano had all the crew having full fights and showing the current extent of their powers with luffy Zoro and Sanji surpassing their current limits. Yeah oda separated them from jinbe and paired jinbe with Franky and Robin.
The BB Pirates aren’t about roles. They all serve the role as captain now with their own crews.
And the romance dawn trio isn’t ever brought up in canon while oda literally decided to highlight the monster trio with the new title “Wings” in the arc Luffy became a binaries emperor. So… yeah it’s pretty clear which dynamic oda was trying to mirror here.
The BB Pirates aren’t about roles. They all serve the role as captain now with their own crews.
And the romance dawn trio isn’t ever brought up in canon while oda literally decided to highlight the monster trio with the new title “Wings” in the arc Luffy became a binaries emperor. So… yeah it’s pretty clear which dynamic oda was trying to mirror here.
Those little discrepancies change nothing. The match-up system is still the same. Sanji and Jimbei settled for less because it inserted a third party.
Show me where becoming captains antiquates their previous roles.
It clearly mirrors Zoro and Sanji because of an entirely unrelated scene?
Does Mr. 1 and Ms. Doublefinger mirror Zoro and Sanji? How about Kaku and Kalifa? Remember when Sanji went with Luffy and Zoro when they met Blackbeard? Or how about making Law's FM a chef while Kid's a Supernova like Luffy's?
Show me where becoming captains antiquates their previous roles.
It clearly mirrors Zoro and Sanji because of an entirely unrelated scene?
Does Mr. 1 and Ms. Doublefinger mirror Zoro and Sanji? How about Kaku and Kalifa? Remember when Sanji went with Luffy and Zoro when they met Blackbeard? Or how about making Law's FM a chef while Kid's a Supernova like Luffy's?
*Shiryu is above Burgess...No.2 cover spread already debunks this claim if it wasn't already obvious before that was revealed.
*Not sure where this "Laffite is Chief of Staff for his intellect not his PL is coming from". There is really no basis for it rather, what we know about this position and Laffite himself debunks this.
- All of the Staff Officers/Chief of Staffs we've seen in the the series so far have been some of the strongest subordinates of their crews/organisations, if not the strongest (i.e. Kabaji and Sabo have been some examples of this).
- Laffite threatened to kill Pizarro (who a lot of folks seem to think is Teach's 2nd strongest subordinate ) if he tried to take over the BB Pirates. That in itself of evidence that Laffite is more than just brains
- Laffite infiltrated a Shichibukai meeting on Marineford to recommend BB for one of the empty Shichibukai positions (i.e. would be a bit asinine to delegate a weakling with this responsibility)
Coz a character is smart doesn't mean they are not strong. For instance, Sanji has also been referred to as the hypothetical Staff Officer of the Strawhat Pirates, and he is also one of the strongest SHs.
Lastly most would agree that the Roger Pirates share a lot of similarities with the SHs but even Scopper who is Sanji's parallel strength-wise seems to be a navigator. Hypothetically speaking, if the SHs faced off against the Roger Pirates, Sanji's opponent would be Scopper. Doesn't really matter whether Scopper is a navigator or not.
*Not sure where this "Laffite is Chief of Staff for his intellect not his PL is coming from". There is really no basis for it rather, what we know about this position and Laffite himself debunks this.
- All of the Staff Officers/Chief of Staffs we've seen in the the series so far have been some of the strongest subordinates of their crews/organisations, if not the strongest (i.e. Kabaji and Sabo have been some examples of this).
- Laffite threatened to kill Pizarro (who a lot of folks seem to think is Teach's 2nd strongest subordinate ) if he tried to take over the BB Pirates. That in itself of evidence that Laffite is more than just brains
- Laffite infiltrated a Shichibukai meeting on Marineford to recommend BB for one of the empty Shichibukai positions (i.e. would be a bit asinine to delegate a weakling with this responsibility)
Coz a character is smart doesn't mean they are not strong. For instance, Sanji has also been referred to as the hypothetical Staff Officer of the Strawhat Pirates, and he is also one of the strongest SHs.
Lastly most would agree that the Roger Pirates share a lot of similarities with the SHs but even Scopper who is Sanji's parallel strength-wise seems to be a navigator. Hypothetically speaking, if the SHs faced off against the Roger Pirates, Sanji's opponent would be Scopper. Doesn't really matter whether Scopper is a navigator or not.