Speculations Perfect Example of Real Swordsmen VS Swordsmen..

[Owl Ki]

And yet you did not answer back about the fact that the Shinsengumi wore Blades?.. That's a historical fact..

You still want to die on this dumb hill? Aight sassenach.

Because the argument can be easily countered by Popular Culture..

I really want to see how people who have spent years studying and researching Japanese history will react to being countered with "muh popular culture".

The Shinsengumi is historical isn't.. They were wearing Swords..

First of all, I said for most of the history of the samurai.

They didn't though. Samurai were far more likely to use spears, pole arms and bows in actual battlefield combat than their swords throughout most of their history. Sure, they carried swords and knew how to use them but they weren't their actual primary weapon.

The Shinsengumi were active for just under six, I repeat, just under six years.

Spoiler: Lel.

Hardly representative of the centuries long history of the samurai.

The reason they still had swords was also precisely because swords were never the primary battlefield combat weapon. The sword was a status symbol. Hence why when guns made the formerly efficient weapon choices such as spears, pole arms and bows obsolete, swords remained because their first and foremost purpose was to denote status.

The Shinsengumi weren't even formed as a proper battlefield unit either. They were basically a ceremonial bodyguard unit wielding swords in an era of ever increasing gunpowder based warfare. It would be the equivalent of pointing at the Swiss Guards and claiming that halberds are still being used for modern military purposes.

Any other dumb historical take you want to defend to your defiled dignity's final dying breath or are we done here?

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Yeah your problem is you are not concise and straigh to the point..

Well as long as you accepted his evidence is enough. Hyo is a samurai by definition too

 

[Rootbeer]

Well as long as you accepted his evidence is enough. Hyo is a samurai by definition too

He does not consider himself a Samurai, he's a Yakuza though..
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I really want to see how people who have spent years studying and researching Japanese history will react to being countered with "muh popular culture".

Keep in mind that it's withing the context of One Piece.. Samurai in One Piece are mostly Swordsmen..

First of all, I said for most of the history of the samurai.

Alright..

The reason they still had swords was also precisely because swords were never the primary battlefield combat weapon. The sword was a status symbol. Hence why when guns made the formerly efficient weapon choices such as spears

Did ever occur to you that the main reason Swords were never the primary battlefield combat Weapon is because they were an
Expensive commodity and not easily accessable?.. Where you see more efficient, i see not available for the masses and costly..

The Blade is the best Weapon invention since the Gun..

 

[Kiiro]

Mmm no, no wano charactwr could use internal damage.

 

[Rootbeer]

Mmm no, no wano charactwr could use internal damage.

Internal Destruction works differently for Swordsmen.. There are various tiers.. What is Internal Destruction in
the first place, it's flowing Haki into something or Imbuing.. Once you imbue your Sword into Haki, you can't have the CoA
on Your Blade flow into another thing, in this case a Human.. The Base stage of Internal Destruction for Swordsman is a Hakied
up Sword..

 

[Vanlax]

Internal Destruction works differently for Swordsmen.. There are various tiers.. What is Internal Destruction in
the first place, it's flowing Haki into something or Imbuing.. Once you imbue your Sword into Haki, you can't have the CoA
on Your Blade flow into another thing, in this case a Human.. The Base stage of Internal Destruction for Swordsman is a Hakied
up Sword..

I'm still waiting for your Martial Artists chart..

 

[The White Crane]

It's not a fact, it's your opinion..

Another denial? Ooooh, apparently I hit a nerve.

 

[Owl Ki]

Keep in mind that it's withing the context of One Piece.. Samurai in One Piece are mostly Swordsmen..

So then why do you keep going on about historical samurai in order to attempt to prove a point in a shonen manga?

Did ever occur to you that the main reason Swords were never the primary battlefield combat Weapon is because they were an
Expensive commodity and not easily accessable?.. Where you see more efficient, i see not available for the masses and costly..

They were not even the primary battlefield weapon of those who could afford them like the samurai, the group we have been specifically discussing for several posts. Hence why they were primarily a status symbol for the reasons you just stated. Commoners couldn't afford a sword so owning a sword denoted an individual's importance.

Changing the goalposts from "samurai" to "everybody" isn't going to help you score any points.

The Blade is the best Weapon invention since the Gun..

"Since the gun"? You implying blades were invented after guns?

 

[Score]

What even is a CoA based CoC attack...

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

What even is a CoA based CoC attack...

1st of all its "CoC based CoA attack" .

Its his way of saying that Zoro only used "Normal CoC" on top of his "CoA". So he can feel good about the fact that Zoro got confirmed having CoC. Anything to throw off the idea of Zoro coating his attacks in CoC aka AdCoC.

And this thread was only created because Hyo used hardening and "Haki Blast" and since that does not suit his agenda he wants us to believe that Hyo isn't a Samurai so he follow the PK path.

 

[Kiiro]

Internal Destruction works differently for Swordsmen.. There are various tiers.. What is Internal Destruction in
the first place, it's flowing Haki into something or Imbuing.. Once you imbue your Sword into Haki, you can't have the CoA
on Your Blade flow into another thing, in this case a Human.. The Base stage of Internal Destruction for Swordsman is a Hakied
up Sword..

Your map is wrong IMO.

 

[Score]

1st of all its "CoC based CoA attack" .

Its his way of saying that Zoro only used "Normal CoC" on top of his "CoA". So he can feel good about the fact that Zoro got confirmed having CoC. Anything to throw off the idea of Zoro coating his attacks in CoC aka AdCoC.

And this thread was only created because Hyo used hardening and "Haki Blast" and since that does not suit his agenda he wants us to believe that Hyo isn't a Samurai so he follow the PK path.

CoC based CoA attack might be the funniest thing I've heard on here
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Your map is wrong IMO.

Mine is better imo

 

[Kiiro]

CoC based CoA attack might be the funniest thing I've heard on here
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Mine is better imo

I have a better one in my mind... hahaha

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

CoC based CoA attack might be the funniest thing I've heard on here
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Mine is better imo

AdvCoc² is still the craziest invention so far lmao. That alone earns a follow from me.:cheers:

 

[Rootbeer]

I'm still waiting for your Martial Artists chart..

I don't know doest Martial Arts mather in One Piece..

Another denial? Ooooh, apparently I hit a nerve.

No, i say to everyone like you who brings nothing to the table.. lol

So then why do you keep going on about historical samurai in order to attempt to prove a point in a shonen manga?

They were not even the primary battlefield weapon of those who could afford them like the samurai, the group we have been specifically discussing for several posts. Hence why they were primarily a status symbol for the reasons you just stated. Commoners couldn't afford a sword so owning a sword denoted an individual's importance.

Changing the goalposts from "samurai" to "everybody" isn't going to help you score any points.

"Since the gun"? You implying blades were invented after guns?

I was lead on to History because some of you can not accept the fact that Samurai in One Piece are Swordsmen apparently..

So the fact that Swords were the primary battlefield is irrelevant then.. Those with a higher status dictated the rules at the time..


I may have wrongly expressed myself but you know what i mean..
The Blade was the best invention before the Gun came about..

What even is a CoA based CoC attack...

The contrary to a CoC based CoA attack..

Your map is wrong IMO.

I understand that CoC Blade Awakening could definitely be wrong.. But other than that what is wrong about it?..

 

[Owl Ki]

I was lead on to History because some of you can not accept the fact that Samurai in One Piece are Swordsmen apparently..

Well you sure failed with your historical comparison due to not actually knowing anything about the historical subject matter.

So the fact that Swords were the primary battlefield is irrelevant then.. Those with a higher status dictated the rules at the time..

How exactly is this line of reasoning going to supposedly prove your original claim of samurai using the sword as their primary combat weapon?

Who mostly wielded a Sword for combat..

 

[Rootbeer]

Well you sure failed with your historical comparison due to not actually knowing anything about the historical subject matter.

I can't know everything.. Can you?.. Still Samurai's primary weapon on the battlefield is irrelevant to the subject at hand, One Piece..

How exactly is this line of reasoning going to supposedly prove your original claim of samurai using the sword as their primary combat weapon?

Then let me rephrase myself with the input you provided..

High Status Samurai mostly wielded a Blade for combat..

 

[Owl Ki]

I can't know everything.. Can you?..

Indeed, I cannot know everything, nor can anybody else. I can however possess enough common sense not to make ignorant claims regarding a subject matter I clearly know nothing about, as can anybody else.

Still Samurai's primary weapon on the battlefield is irrelevant to the subject at hand, One Piece..

Then you should stop bringing up real life historical samurai when discussing a fantasy shonen, shouldn't you?

High Status Samurai mostly wielded a Blade for combat..

Good grief, would you look at the time. Tis clearly Groundhog Day because we have gone right back to where we started.

No, they didn't. Primary combat weapons of the samurai were spears, pole arms and bows.

You wanna drop the historical samurai argument now?

 

[Rootbeer]

Indeed, I cannot know everything, nor can anybody else. I can however possess enough common sense not to make ignorant claims regarding a subject matter I clearly know nothing about, as can anybody else.

Actually, it's common sense in this day an age to assume that Samurai's primary weapon is the Sword..
Pretty you make ignorant statements all the time that's human nature..

Then you should stop bringing up real life historical samurai when discussing a fantasy shonen, shouldn't you?

How about i will stop bringing up real life historical Samurai when you start answering the topic of the thread instead of wanting to show off you Historical Knowledge?.. How does that sound..

Good grief, would you look at the time. Tis clearly Groundhog Day because we have gone right back to where we started.

No, they didn't. Primary combat weapons of the samurai were spears, pole arms and bows.

You wanna drop the historical samurai argument now?

Primary weapon of " High Status " Samurai we the Blade..
Do you have an historical fact that disprove my claim?..

 

[Herrera95]

This is the reason why He couldn't teach Luffy Internal Destruction CoA, his Limit is CoA Emission, he does not possess the ability to imbue
Ryuo in his Blade.. The Scabbards all can do it because the were able to make Kaido Bleed..

He used Ryou in his blade. He taught Ryou to Luffy. Luffy never learned and skipped to Internal Damage.

No scabbards knows internal damage. Only Luffy and Rayleigh was showed to know internal damage.