Future Events Personal prediction for the Calamities matchup

Calamities Match-Up


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#41
I can't imagine a scenario in which Marco tries to reach the rooftop, gets stopped by King and is convinced to leave King to Zoro.

1) Why would Zoro stop to fight King instead of helping Kiku and the others?

2) Why would King keep fighting Zoro when he could just fly and stop Marco?

So Zoro won't defeat King :kayneshrug:

Marco won't defeat King either since he is needed on the roof.
That leave just an opponent for King: Sanji :goyea:
 
#42
You mean Zoro will cut Kaido harder than Five commander level people attacking Kaido together but he's not Commander level himself?

How does that work? Reopening Kaido's scar is easily an admiral level feat but Zoro will do it at vet level?
Zoro's current offensive capacity far surpassed any YC we have seen in action so far (with the exception of, maybe, Ace's Entei and Jozu's iceberg throwing feat), and we both know Zoro is not even YC level yet (at least officially).

In the arc where The Grandmaster officially enters YC level, performing an offensive feat far above his level should not be shocking. :cheers:

And the arc about swordsmen will end with Zoro NOT being the strongest swordsman in the country
Better yet.

Zoro replaces Kaido as WSC post-Wano confirmed. :funky:
 
#45
What is "officially yc level" then?

Like if has feats above YC level then what is supposed to officially put him there?

Like you're saying Zoro is a vet level who is going to beat YC1 and do an admiral level feat.
A character officially enters a certain level the moment s/he proves s/he can hang around or even beat another character on that level in a fight.

Also, having a feat above a certain level is not the same as surpassing said level.

Take Moria who was not on YC level for example. In his Shadow Asgard form, a single punch of his split Thriller Bark (which was island sized) in half. I am pretty sure a YC like Katakuri or Cracker could not split an island in half in one hit. Yet Shadow Asgard Moria lost to G3 pre-TS and haki-less Luffy.

We also know obviously any YC would not lose to Shadow Asgard Moria or G3 pre-TS and haki-less Luffy.

Catch my drift?

This proves that current Zoro performing an admiral level feat is very very possible.
 
#46
A character officially enters a certain level the moment s/he proves s/he can hang around or even beat another character on that level in a fight.

Also, having a feat above a certain level is not the same as surpassing said level.

Take Moria who was not on YC level for example. In his Shadow Asgard form, a single punch of his split Thriller Bark (which was island sized) in half. I am pretty sure a YC like Katakuri or Cracker could not split an island in half in one hit. Yet Shadow Asgard Moria lost to G3 pre-TS and haki-less Luffy.

We also know obviously any YC would not lose to Shadow Asgard Moria or G3 pre-TS and haki-less Luffy.

Catch my drift?

This proves that current Zoro performing an admiral level feat is very very possible.
I agree, but performing an admiral level feat is different from being on admiral level
Let's keep common sense
 
#47
I agree, but performing an admiral level feat is different from being on admiral level
Let's keep common sense
Naturally.

Also, I never said Zoro will be admiral level this arc. I mentioned earlier that he will belong to YC level this arc. I think we all know Zoro will likely join admiral level and officially become one of the top tiers after he beats Fujitora, which will take place years from now.
 
#48
Naturally.

Also, I never said Zoro will be admiral level this arc. I mentioned earlier that he will belong to YC level this arc. I think we all know Zoro will likely join admiral level and officially become one of the top tiers after he beats Fujitora, which will take place years from now.
It's always a pleasure to talk with reasonable people :cheers:
 
#50
A character officially enters a certain level the moment s/he proves s/he can hang around or even beat another character on that level in a fight.

Also, having a feat above a certain level is not the same as surpassing said level.

Take Moria who was not on YC level for example. In his Shadow Asgard form, a single punch of his split Thriller Bark (which was island sized) in half. I am pretty sure a YC like Katakuri or Cracker could not split an island in half in one hit. Yet Shadow Asgard Moria lost to G3 pre-TS and haki-less Luffy.

We also know obviously any YC would not lose to Shadow Asgard Moria or G3 pre-TS and haki-less Luffy.

Catch my drift?

This proves that current Zoro performing an admiral level feat is very very possible.
Then how strong is luffy? He didn't actually beat Cracker or katakuri in pure 1v1 no holds combat right? But the mere fact that Luffy got proficient in FS somewhat and got advanced armament, then that's it, we now say Luffy is above YC1 right?

Like isn't Luffy above YC1 based purely on perceived feats and portrayal and not actually defeating YCs? By portrayal I mean Story portrayal. We've seen big mom manhandling Marco so we know how easily yonko can dispatch YC1 right? But the story won't allow that to happen to luffy.

Plain and simple. There's no way Luffy is going to get the Marco treatment as par the fact that it already happened. Luffy already got throttled by kaido and big mom so his next encounter with them cannot go that badly again as per rules of the story. There must be physical representations of Luffy's growth and just the nature of the story tells us Luffy must do better than Marco so luffy must be above YC1 right now.

That's just story portrayal. Luffy hasn't beaten any commanders straight up and only has top tier haki-less feats and story pot rays that just immediately tells us he's above YC1.

So Zoro by definition can't be vet level. The story portrayal doesn't allow it. There's no vet level characters who can beat YC1s. Like the mere fact that Zoro must defeat King directly means he cannot be vet level by story portrayal standards. Unless you think Zoro can haki bloom himself into jumping three tiers in one fight. Zoro can't beat King unless he's already YC.

If you insist he's vet level then he has to have way more fights before getting to king. And that's not happening.
 
#51
Then how strong is luffy? He didn't actually beat Cracker or katakuri in pure 1v1 no holds combat right? But the mere fact that Luffy got proficient in FS somewhat and got advanced armament, then that's it, we now say Luffy is above YC1 right?

Like isn't Luffy above YC1 based purely on perceived feats and portrayal and not actually defeating YCs? By portrayal I mean Story portrayal. We've seen big mom manhandling Marco so we know how easily yonko can dispatch YC1 right? But the story won't allow that to happen to luffy.

Plain and simple. There's no way Luffy is going to get the Marco treatment as par the fact that it already happened. Luffy already got throttled by kaido and big mom so his next encounter with them cannot go that badly again as per rules of the story. There must be physical representations of Luffy's growth and just the nature of the story tells us Luffy must do better than Marco so luffy must be above YC1 right now.

That's just story portrayal. Luffy hasn't beaten any commanders straight up and only has top tier haki-less feats and story pot rays that just immediately tells us he's above YC1.

So Zoro by definition can't be vet level. The story portrayal doesn't allow it. There's no vet level characters who can beat YC1s. Like the mere fact that Zoro must defeat King directly means he cannot be vet level by story portrayal standards. Unless you think Zoro can haki bloom himself into jumping three tiers in one fight. Zoro can't beat King unless he's already YC.

If you insist he's vet level then he has to have way more fights before getting to king. And that's not happening.
I think your concern has been addressed by many members on this forum before: the only SH to have gone all out since the time skip is Luffy, so he is the only one with a clearly defined limit.

If Oda wants to, then other SHs, including Zoro, can technically be as strong as the plot demands them to be without much justification.

So, really, Zoro does not need to have way more fights before King (or Queen). He just needs to beat either one of them. :kata:


It's always a pleasure to talk with reasonable people :cheers:
:cheers:
 
#53
Jack: warm up for Luffy
Queen: Judge's son or Judge's son + Drake
King: 3 options
Zoro
Zoro + Killer
Ashura and some of the other scabbards that can still fight gang up on him but he will have a clash with Marco for sure before his main fight whichever it's gonna be
Sanji could fight him too if some one shows up to take care of Queen instead
 
#54
Jack: warm up for Luffy
Queen: Judge's son or Judge's son + Drake
King: 3 options
Zoro
Zoro + Killer
Ashura and some of the other scabbards that can still fight gang up on him but he will have a clash with Marco for sure before his main fight whichever it's gonna be
Sanji could fight him too if some one shows up to take care of Queen instead
Tbh I think the Scabbards (those who aren't dead and can still move) will hunt down Orochi (if he is alive), Fukurukuju, Hotei and Oniwabansu
 
#56
What about Jack?
Imo giving him the Blueno treatment would be a shame, if anything he should be beaten by a combined attack from Luffy and Kidd (still not sure I like it)
I still think that giving him to Killer would be the best thing (continuing the pattern of the subordinates stopping to let the Captains go ahead)
 
#58
What about Jack?
Imo giving him the Blueno treatment would be a shame, if anything he should be beaten by a combined attack from Luffy and Kidd (still not sure I like it)
I still think that giving him to Killer would be the best thing (continuing the pattern of the subordinates stopping to let the Captains go ahead)
Leave Jack to Killer... They have similar weapons anyway...
 
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