Future Events Please enlighten me why ZKK won't happen

[serkeara]

Honestly, I try to wear the opposing hat but I can't find any reason to justify the following

• Why Oda makes Kaido only dodge Flying Dragon Blaze, the identical move with Ryuma
• Why Zoro Asura is so underwhelming and Kaido has never acknowledged Zoro. If it's the end of Zoro vs Kaido, why not just let Kaido acknowledge him as a strong samurai. It will be perfect ending for Zoro vs Kaido.
• "There will never be a strong samurai as Oden again". If the fight has already ended, this Kaido's statement will become true. There is no way Oda would let Kaido to be correct about this.
• Toki's prophecy. The dawn and 9 shadows stuff haven't happened yet and it fits Zoro's Asura perfectly.
• Grim Reaper. Why bother drawing this if it contributes to nothing.
• Black blade. It is likely that Zoro will turn black blade this arc. What is the best situation for him to turn black blade if the war is already ended?
• Nidai. Why introduce Nidai. Just to introduce Tenguyama ancestor? It is likely that Tenguyama will ask Zoro to use Nidai and Zoro needs to impress him somehow
• Why Zoro was compared to Ryuma by Kawamatsu and Hyugoro. If Zoro's role is already ended, there is no way Wano samurais will acknowledge Zoro and why hype Zoro as the potential next Ryuma at the first place?

ZKK scenario will perfectly resolve all plot discrepancies above.

The are many Anti-ZKK but I fail to find any rational argument to justify the plots above. Even if they have argument, all of them are "Zoro can't outshine Luffy, the MC", which is the absolute dump. You guys are better than this. Please enlighten me why ZKK should not happen. I really want to switch side but can't find compelling reason to do so...
:cheers:

 

[JoNdule]

@TheAncientCenturion @RayanOO
Just merge all these zkk threads into one

It is tirng to see old and new zoro fans come into the forum and write zkk threads every week or everyday

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Because ZKK would means that Luffy's achievement would be for nothing. There are ways for ZKK to happens without interfering Luffy's overall performance but that's it.

 

[hayze moya]

Luffy is the MC

Zoro is unconscious

 

[serkeara]

Because ZKK would means that Luffy's achievement would be for nothing. There are ways for ZKK to happens without interfering Luffy's overall performance but that's it.

Luffy is the MC

Zoro is unconscious

I wish you read my last paragraphs and come up with something better...

 

[hayze moya]

I wish you read my last paragraphs and come up with something better...

 

[Tai long]

because zoro can't outshine luffy in the most important arc till date, yes zoro is important but in the grand scheme of thing he is not luffys sasuke

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

because zoro can't outshine luffy in the most important arc till date, yes zoro is important but in the grand scheme of thing he is not luffys sasuke

Gohan will never outshine Goku in the most important arc to date

 

[serkeara]

because zoro can't outshine luffy in the most important arc till date, yes zoro is important but in the grand scheme of thing he is not luffys sasuke

This prove my point. This is the only reason that anti-ZKK can come up with. Also, Zoro outshined Luffy in Thriller park...

 

[Tai long]

Gohan will never outshine Goku in the most important arc to date

I heard the author wanted to replace goku

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This prove my point. This is the only reason that anti-ZKK can come up with. Also, Zoro outshined Luffy in Thriller park...

zoro out shined who, who knows about the nothing happened, yes it was respectful of zoro to take luffys pain but the fact is that luffy won't have died and the paw guy won't have killed anyone

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luffy defeated moriah who was stronger than oars and did the most work in defeating oars

 

[Finalbeta]

"Because I am biased towards the Grandmaster and too biased towards my idol opposing him"

That's the most common truth

 

[Chaves]

Why Oda makes Kaido only dodge Flying Dragon Blaze, the identical move with Ryuma

Because it's an interesting choreography, which has a more symbolic value

Why Zoro Asura is so underwhelming and Kaido has never acknowledged Zoro. If it's the end of Zoro vs Kaido, why not just let Kaido acknowledge him as a strong samurai. It will be perfect ending for Zoro vs Kaido.

Zoro is not the strong samurai that Kaido is looking for. This is zorotard fanfic
And Kaido already recognized him enough, when Zoro enlarged a bit of Oden's scar

"There will never be a strong samurai as Oden again". If the fight has already ended, this Kaido's statement will become true. There is no way Oda would let Kaido to be correct about this.

That samurai is Luffy, the only one who has real parallels with Oden.

Toki's prophecy. The dawn and 9 shadows stuff haven't happened yet and it fits Zoro's Asura perfectly.

lmfao this can only be a joke

Grim Reaper. Why bother drawing this if it contributes to nothing.

This can be a tool of infinite possibilities for Zoro to progress, not necessarily ZKK, which is a fanfic.

Black blade. It is likely that Zoro will turn black blade this arc. What is the best situation for him to turn black blade if the war is already ended?

Black Blade in this arc is also fanfic. But even if Zoro does, it doesn't necessarily mean ZKK.

Nidai. Why introduce Nidai. Just to introduce Tenguyama ancestor? It is likely that Tenguyama will ask Zoro to use Nidai and Zoro needs to impress him somehow

lol, and how does it link the ZKK?

Why Zoro was compared to Ryuma by Kawamatsu and Hyugoro. If Zoro's role is already ended, there is no way Wano samurais will acknowledge Zoro and why hype Zoro as the potential next Ryuma at the first place?

I don't see why Oda needs to relate Zoro to Ryuma so much besides everything he's ever done.
If you want the wano population to see Zoro as the new Ryuma, then the most likely scenario is Zoro protecting wano from the WG threat, as Ryuma did in his day.
Nobody saw Ryuma slashing that dragon, so the populace won't relate the two after ZKK, so this argument is completely irrelevant, not least because Kaido doesn't resemble a random western dragon that Ryuma casually slashed.

 

[Weeman]

Too brutal for One Piece.
I know Orochi got beheaded a bunch of times, but knowing Oda Orochi is alive and will just get imprisoned or something.

Kaido is a different story and SHOULD get a fitting death but i just don't think it would actually happen unless the one to kill him is someone more evil like Teach or someone from the WG.

 

[SkySanji]

Gohan will never outshine Goku in the most important arc to date

Gohan was intended to be the main character, that's how Toriyama constructed the Cell Arc/Early Buu arc, only after when the fans wanted Goku to return did it change.

Zoro isn't and never will be the MC, get over that.

 

[roronoa_fan]

The only thing I see putting Zkk in check is Kaido saying that Joyboy could defeat him.

 

[faker]

No why ，When Wano ends and ZKK doesn't happen, you'll understand why all you say is shit

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Either Luffy beats kaido or zoro does, there is no both

 

[Thabeast]

@TheAncientCenturion @RayanOO
Just merged all these zkk threads into one

It is tirng to see old and new zoro fans come into the forum and write zkk threads every week or everyday

Yet you click on them everytime when no one forced you to and complain about them

Talk about being entitled...

 

[uyuu]

Honestly, I try to wear the opposing hat but I can't find any reason to justify the following

• Why Oda makes Kaido only dodge Flying Dragon Blaze, the identical move with Ryuma
• Why Zoro Asura is so underwhelming and Kaido has never acknowledged Zoro. If it's the end of Zoro vs Kaido, why not just let Kaido acknowledge him as a strong samurai. It will be perfect ending for Zoro vs Kaido.
• "There will never be a strong samurai as Oden again". If the fight has already ended, this Kaido's statement will become true. There is no way Oda would let Kaido to be correct about this.
• Toki's prophecy. The dawn and 9 shadows stuff haven't happened yet and it fits Zoro's Asura perfectly.
• Grim Reaper. Why bother drawing this if it contributes to nothing.
• Black blade. It is likely that Zoro will turn black blade this arc. What is the best situation for him to turn black blade if the war is already ended?
• Nidai. Why introduce Nidai. Just to introduce Tenguyama ancestor? It is likely that Tenguyama will ask Zoro to use Nidai and Zoro needs to impress him somehow
• Why Zoro was compared to Ryuma by Kawamatsu and Hyugoro. If Zoro's role is already ended, there is no way Wano samurais will acknowledge Zoro and why hype Zoro as the potential next Ryuma at the first place?

ZKK scenario will perfectly resolve all plot discrepancies above.

The are many Anti-ZKK but I fail to find any rational argument to justify the plots above. Even if they have argument, all of them are "Zoro can't outshine Luffy, the MC", which is the absolute dump. You guys are better than this. Please enlighten me why ZKK should not happen. I really want to switch side but can't find compelling reason to do so...
:cheers:

I want to give my opinion.

The definition of ZKK which i address: is the condition where Kaidou wakes up again to rampage, while Luffy is unable to fight anymore. Zoro wakes up and defeat a rampaging Kaidou, killing him in the process.

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For me, this definition of ZKK (see above) will interfere against two main points: PK narrative and Strawhat's victory in an arc.

- PK narrative: if ZKK happens, it's just like Luffy to be the one who beat Mihawk instead of Zoro. Since Luffy vs Kaidou is a clash for PK.

- Strawhat's victory: If Kaidou wakes up again after Bajrang Gun and go on a rampage, while Luffy is unable to fight anymore, and ZKK happens: it means that Zoro is the one fighting, defeating, and killing Kaidou as the finality of Kaidou's fate. So if it happens, it means Luffy doesn't have a true 1v1 victory in this arc, while Zoro has 2 victories (King and Kaidou). Which is an unrealistic scenario in my opinion.

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These are two main points that will interfere against Luffy's narrative if ZKK happen by Zoro defeating a rampaging Kaidou while Luffy unable to fight anymore.


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There is an extra main point actually: powerlevel. Proceed with caution.

Spoiler: my stance on powerlevel regarding ZKK

- Non-serious Kaidou contributed of half of a Hakai. No Kaidou need two attacks, or using twice the strength in one attack, to produce similar damage to Hakai. Kaidou didn't even use CoC to do that, he didn't need to touch Zoro directly either in Hakai. So rooting for Zoro to be able to defeat rampaging not only serious, but all-out Kaidou, is unrealistic since Zoro couldn't block two attacks from non-serious Kaidou for more than 1-2 seconds without having broken bones as result.

- CoC Infusion's power is emphasized by Oden to have a no-touch zone. Kaidou only get serious since fighting 1036 Luffy for like so long, whose Conqueror had already reached Skysplitter level the class of which Yamato recognized as the clash of the ones reaching the powerlevel of Roger vs WB. Zoro who just managed to produce no-touch zone just a single time against King since he get CoC infusion, when King was on the verge of snatching away Zoro's swords (something most important to him), activating Zoro's no-touch zone finally for one time, and Zoro could only muster his CoC Infusion for 15 minutes or so since he couldnt handle Enma more than that.

- While Luffy who had no-touch zone in his CoC attacks constantly (not occasionally like Zoro) since 1010, was still eventually beaten by non-serious Kaidou at that. At the 1049 final clash of Luffy vs Kaidou, both of them even produce CoC no-touch zone the size of an island, making DBZ-style Genkidama from their no-touch zone alone, and thats after fighting Luffy for so long. It's levels and levels higher from what Zoro can currently do.

- So hoping that Zoro can somehow get ANOTHER miracle heal and defeat and kill the strongest version of all-out Kaidou, while Kaidou just broke Zoro's bones by just 4-6 effortless, even indirect attacks for Zoro to be unconscious for this long (he's still unconscious in current chapter due to the effect of blocking 3-4 indirect attacks from non-serious Kaidou, blocking it for 1 sec, being doubled btw), is straight up so unrealistic for me.

- Except if Kaidou is already dying from Luffy's attack so much that he can't even use his CoC to defend or attack anymore...or for Zoro to get an exponentially stronger powerup, an asspull which should be absurdly a million times more powerful than the previous asspull (Zoro getting 2-year worth of CoC Infusion in matter of minutes, with just willing it, without even training the CoC basics) for it to work on killing Kaidou.

 

[York]

First of all, the things you call "plot discrepancies" are, for the most part, things that don't actually need resolved, in some cases not right now, and in some cases not at all. Second, for every problem it solves it causes more. Zoro isn't the only one who got hyped up this arc, and if Luffy doesn't get this W on his own then that opens a much bigger can of worms than "Zoro performed the same as he always does"