[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
That said, Flower is obviously playing with an agenda because there is no reason why she would believe I'm scum after I've just moved the votes from her to Charlie. Her lack of response to that being pointed out also shows she is not interested in solving. So I don't know what to expect from that slot going forward but my thinking is not much.
Yes but the way it was phrased made it difficult to tell.
So Flower said "does anyone mind if I kill Ekko".
You said "no" which means "No I don't mind". Flower should have followed up with "so I'm okay to kill him" at which point you would have intervened.
So she's technically correct. That said, the blame falls largely on her for two reasons - one for phrasing it in a way that opens the door for misunderstandings (it's fairly common for people to respond No to that to mean "no don't do it") and two for not clarifying afterwards as follow up. My opinion on it is that Flower knew this and took the opportunity to twist the spirit of your words while attempting to maintain some sort of high ground over it.
So Flower said "does anyone mind if I kill Ekko".
You said "no" which means "No I don't mind". Flower should have followed up with "so I'm okay to kill him" at which point you would have intervened.
So she's technically correct. That said, the blame falls largely on her for two reasons - one for phrasing it in a way that opens the door for misunderstandings (it's fairly common for people to respond No to that to mean "no don't do it") and two for not clarifying afterwards as follow up. My opinion on it is that Flower knew this and took the opportunity to twist the spirit of your words while attempting to maintain some sort of high ground over it.
I did none of that sort. I also said I take it as a no to give people time to react and double check. I genuinely thought Ekko could be scum and with Michelle and later Yo Tan approving it I just killed him.
You just put words in my mouth and blamed me for somebody else‘s mistakes and were a complete asshole towards me. So kindly fuck off and stop talking to and about me this game.
You just put words in my mouth and blamed me for somebody else‘s mistakes and were a complete asshole towards me. So kindly fuck off and stop talking to and about me this game.
I was completely cooperating with others and my action log also shows that. It’s my right to hide my true wincon, but it would happen eventually if I kept shooting suspects (and I also would have killed Charlie without the role crush). The fact I got shit for it is on you guys and solely you because other than killing Luka I just followed instructions.
I have not been an asshole to you at all. In fact I would say I've been far more charitable than I would be to most. For example I let the Luka kill slide. I think if you followed through with Michelle or cared to you would have gotten to what she meant but you took the opportunity and are now playing semantics with it. You knew Ekko was considered town core and I believe your kill was purely because he wanted you dead.
Your appeals to my emotions will not work so you should probably try something else.
Your appeals to my emotions will not work so you should probably try something else.
While it might be your right, if you want the town to trust you then you need to demonstrate some goodwill to facilitate that trust. When you lie to the town then that trust collapses. At which point, the town no longer has any obligation or incentive to work with you. The rule for co-operating with Indies is thus: if the indie claims in good faith and works with the town, they are kept alive. If the indie lies at any point they are killed because they cannot be allowed to demonstrably lie due to the opportunities for scum siding that thar affords them. Then when we factor in you killing Luka and Ekko, the only response left is removing you from the board.
There is no spite to this Flower. It's disappointing, though not surprising, to see you attempt to frame it this way. It is purely the standard everyone should be held to. I mean, even now we have consumed a town with to pander to you which could have been used to help us with the game directly. Instead it has been wasted so you can win directly with us. I am no longer advocating for your death even though I do not believe that you are strictly town because I have bigger fish to fry. In future, if you're going to play indie then you cannot be so scum sided in your actions.
There is no spite to this Flower. It's disappointing, though not surprising, to see you attempt to frame it this way. It is purely the standard everyone should be held to. I mean, even now we have consumed a town with to pander to you which could have been used to help us with the game directly. Instead it has been wasted so you can win directly with us. I am no longer advocating for your death even though I do not believe that you are strictly town because I have bigger fish to fry. In future, if you're going to play indie then you cannot be so scum sided in your actions.
Fwiw @Flower I'm more frustrated at Cryo than I am you. Well I think your play and approach is very distasteful, but he I believe to be town yet he is not playing for the town. He is playing to support Indie interests and furthermore, I believe his unprompted full claiming was not a "boast" or some gloating, but a calculated attempt to increase his chances of being killed so he no longer has to play the game. He gets to maintain some semblance of integrity if he gets killed by Mafia while no longer having to try and solve the game, and I think he does not have a good grasp on the alive slots and is thusly paralysed by the fear of being wrong. I find this to be much worse because at least with you I can reason your play as indie motivated, but he's just being a poor teammate.
And there is no world where, if he's as strong as he says he is, he's better off claiming his role vs the mafia not knowing.
And there is no world where, if he's as strong as he says he is, he's better off claiming his role vs the mafia not knowing.
That's true, tho one must take into account it would be foolish for all of scum to publicly be on the same page, because once one of them gets got then the odds the rest following that same thought process is scum as well is fairly high, distancing is probably the best and most useful scum tactic
Another person that should probably be looked into is Polar
If I remember the lore correctly he and Orca are brothers and live under the same roof, now I won't sit here and say some nonsense like just casue on is active the other one should be to but a 60 post discrepancy should be looked into especially when I believe scum polar would be more likely to coast in the scum chat unless pushed 🫸
Another person that should probably be looked into is Polar
If I remember the lore correctly he and Orca are brothers and live under the same roof, now I won't sit here and say some nonsense like just casue on is active the other one should be to but a 60 post discrepancy should be looked into especially when I believe scum polar would be more likely to coast in the scum chat unless pushed 🫸