Speculations Poor world building regarding religion

#1
The religion of the OP world is both very important and barely touched on

On one hand, it is crucial in that both the CDs and Nika are said to be gods.

But also, this is never really expanded on in any meaningful way. If the CDs identify themselves as gods, why don’t we ever see anyone who legitimately believes this? Why don’t we see priests employed by the CDs to push this narrative?

It seems like the only people who call the CDs god are the CDs themselves and their WG bootlickers. But it doesn’t feel like a real religion. On the contrary it seems like most people hate the CDs and they only keep their power due to military strength.

I think that’s just silly because no country operates that way. Every brutal regime has had people who were legitimately invested in them. You would think we’d see somebody praying to a CD at least once in the story, but it never happens. What’s the point of calling yourself gods if nobody believes it?

Nika at least does seem to have real believers. My only issue is that Oda revealed this in the 3rd act of wano right before we got G5. If Nika is as important as he is, he should have been mentioned pre skip. At the very least an arc or so ago.

I think Oda didn’t do this because 1) he didn’t think of Nika until Wano or 2) he didn’t want readers to make the connection to Luffy. I’m guessing it’s #1 because he outright said he didn’t know how Luffy would beat Kaido in an interview pre wano. But in any case it is messy writing.
 
#2
Regarding the Tenryuubito...

That's because CDs are not a religion, there are not supposed to be temples about them. For them to be a religion people would have to believe they are gods and that they have some kind of power.

Nobody, other than themselves, believes they're gods. They're just the ruling class that refers to itself as gods and act as superiors to humanity, while obviously no human believes such a thing. They are just nepo babies descendants of the founding fathers, former kings.

Humans that have met them don't even respect them, they obey under threat of punishment (death most likely). Which is pretty much how any government operates.

That includes the marines from the upper echelons, who are either too corrupt or scared of the holy knights and the gorosei, or both, no other explanation.

What they call "tributes", which all affiliated countries pay to the Tenryuubito, are also not a religious thing, those are just taxes.

Regarding Nika...

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why the reveal is an obvious retcon.

A Sun God had been mentioned before, though, on Skypiea, it's just that nothing hinted at this god being an actual character and not just some deity of some polytheistic indigenous people.
 

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#3
Regarding the Tenryuubito...

That's because CDs are not a religion, there are not supposed to be temples about them. For them to be a religion people would have to believe they are gods and that they have some kind of power.

Nobody, other than themselves, believes they're gods. They're just the ruling class that refers to itself as gods and act as superiors to humanity, while obviously no human believes such a thing. They are just nepo babies descendants of the founding fathers, former kings.

Humans that have met them don't even respect them, they obey under threat of punishment (death most likely). Which is pretty much how any government operates.

That includes the marines from the upper echelons, who are either too corrupt or scared of the holy knights and the gorosei, or both, no other explanation.

What they call "tributes", which all affiliated countries pay to the Tenryuubito, are also not a religious thing, those are just taxes.

Regarding Nika...

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why the reveal is an obvious retcon.

A Sun God had been mentioned before, though, on Skypiea, it's just that nothing hinted at this god being an actual character and not just some deity of some polytheistic indigenous people.
They probably have temples worshiping the OG 20 Kings
 
#4
Nika may be Jesus, because Kuma had a bible and worshipped him, and Nika may be called the sun god because Jesus said He is the bright and morning star in Revelation 22:16
 
#9
Regarding the Tenryuubito...

That's because CDs are not a religion, there are not supposed to be temples about them. For them to be a religion people would have to believe they are gods and that they have some kind of power.

Nobody, other than themselves, believes they're gods. They're just the ruling class that refers to itself as gods and act as superiors to humanity, while obviously no human believes such a thing. They are just nepo babies descendants of the founding fathers, former kings.

Humans that have met them don't even respect them, they obey under threat of punishment (death most likely). Which is pretty much how any government operates.

That includes the marines from the upper echelons, who are either too corrupt or scared of the holy knights and the gorosei, or both, no other explanation.

What they call "tributes", which all affiliated countries pay to the Tenryuubito, are also not a religious thing, those are just taxes.

Regarding Nika...

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why the reveal is an obvious retcon.

A Sun God had been mentioned before, though, on Skypiea, it's just that nothing hinted at this god being an actual character and not just some deity of some polytheistic indigenous people.
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#10
Nika at least does seem to have real believers. My only issue is that Oda revealed this in the 3rd act of wano right before we got G5. If Nika is as important as he is, he should have been mentioned pre skip. At the very least an arc or so ago.
Nika is important because of JOY BOY. He's been mentioned since Fishman Island and throughout Wano. If it wasn't for him, Nika would've been nothing but some obscure legend from the indigenous people of One Piece (Sun God was mentioned back in Skypiea iirc). When people hear the drums of liberation, they say JOY BOY. Kaido wanted to be the next JOY BOY, not realizing he was fighting somebody that's wielding his Devil Fruit. It was most likely because of him so many slaves believed in the deity, but I think only the Buccaneers and maybe the Giants worship the Sun God itself him like a religion so far. And one out of the two is practically extinct.

I believe Oda will delve into the meat of the "religion" of Nika in Elbaf, for us to experience the lore the same time as Luffy does. He has yet to find out who Nika is or what he represents. All he's heard so far is people calling him that and what better place to do that than a country of giants who believe in Nika. But as of now, you are correct on there not being much on the religion as of yet. But I wouldnt call that bad writing. Luffy has been busy getting caught up with Warlords, CP9, getting seperated from his crew and the Emeperors up until Wano. There's been no oppurtunity for him to explore these things first hand.

I think Oda didn’t do this because 1) he didn’t think of Nika until Wano or 2) he didn’t want readers to make the connection to Luffy. I’m guessing it’s #1 because he outright said he didn’t know how Luffy would beat Kaido in an interview pre wano. But in any case it is messy writing.
It was #2. It's been nearly decade iirc since that interview and it's clear as day that he lied to build up hype for Kaido.

He knew exactly how he was having Luffy beat him lol.

Not only because he already had Kaido's countermeasures in place, referencing two instances of Advanced Haki usage from pre timeskip Rayleigh and having Luffy get both, but also due to what I'm gonna mention next in response to #1.

> "He didn’t think of Nika until Wano"
He did think of Nika beforehand:





He knew exactly what he was doing when he granted the alleged paramecia user transformations that gave him flaming hair, arms that can chase you anywhere you go seemingly endlessly, while resembling a mythical deity when the only ability he was supposed to have was a rubber body. Oda silently dropped Luffy having the god fruit patch since Dressrosa. Whether it's good writing or not, I'm not going to debate, but the blueprints were laid down the minute Luffy uttered "G4" lol

As for the CD, nobody actually thinks the CD are gods aside from those raised from birth to think that or retards like Aramaki, like another comment mentioned. People only fear them because of the punishments they will endure if they do not. They will never have a religion imo.
 
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#13
You would think we’d see somebody praying to a CD at least once in the story, but it never happens. What’s the point of calling yourself gods if nobody believes it?
Sabos bro Sterry gives me those vibes

But as someone not invested in religion at all, I'm fine with the more "subtle" & dark references.
- Mihawk is so badass for someone carrying nothing but crosses:milaugh:
- Carmel is prolly the most accurate real world portrayal &.......that's not good:kayneshrug:
 
#16
Sabos bro Sterry gives me those vibes

But as someone not invested in religion at all, I'm fine with the more "subtle" & dark references.
- Mihawk is so badass for someone carrying nothing but crosses:milaugh:
- Carmel is prolly the most accurate real world portrayal &.......that's not good:kayneshrug:
I think it would be fine if it had zero story relevance but that’s clearly not the case, so I wish Oda would put some attention to it
 
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