Controversial Pot Calling Kettle Black (Nutshell)
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-Calls others irrational
-Is among most irrational posters
-always complains when others call him out
-Is among most irrational posters
-always complains when others call him out
If only you knew how it sounds from my pov.
Somehow, it amazes me to see how biases can completely shift an individual's perception.
Ok. We got it, you do not agree with the premisse. Now, how about the reasonning? How would you convince your people? What would you do to keep your family from falling into reactionnarism or create a better and safer place in your home?
Or perhaps you would do like Bear: Bailing out?
I think with theism and atheism, either you believe creation needs a creator or not, that's really the main point
A conversation between a man from hell and Abraham from Abraham's bossom:
Luke 19:27-31
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Also, you can not prove that someone else sitting next to you really exists, and is not a hallucination, or that they really have conciousness, so I think placing the standard people do on proving God's existence is unreasonable, you would be ridiculous to say a random phone you find somewhere wasn't made by a creator, but everything else is way more complex
According to the Bible, being away from God is done because you want to hide your dark deeds, and not come to the light and be corrected
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John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Keep in mind the condemnation is not that you sinned, the condemnation is you don't come to the light.
Salvation is a one time free thing that you do not work for and you can not lose, the stupidest thing you could ever do is not trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
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A conversation between a man from hell and Abraham from Abraham's bossom:
Luke 19:27-31
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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Also, you can not prove that someone else sitting next to you really exists, and is not a hallucination, or that they really have conciousness, so I think placing the standard people do on proving God's existence is unreasonable, you would be ridiculous to say a random phone you find somewhere wasn't made by a creator, but everything else is way more complex
According to the Bible, being away from God is done because you want to hide your dark deeds, and not come to the light and be corrected
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John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Keep in mind the condemnation is not that you sinned, the condemnation is you don't come to the light.
Salvation is a one time free thing that you do not work for and you can not lose, the stupidest thing you could ever do is not trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
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feel free to tell me, because i failed to convince my stepdad who unironically believes in flat earth, reptilians, qanon bs, vaccines cause autism, chemtrails, etc.
and god is even more complex than anything else that you say require a creator, but you will do a special pleading fallacy to argue away that god needs an explanation or a creator cause reasons and thats just how you define god.
But in the same vain, one cannot disprove that god created everything 10 seconds ago with fake memories for everyone.
Or, i dont believe either of those because we dont actually know whether the universe needed a creator or not.
Its perfectly fine to adopt the position of "i dont know" every now and then instead of doing a god of the gaps argument.
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and god is even more complex than anything else that you say require a creator, but you will do a special pleading fallacy to argue away that god needs an explanation or a creator cause reasons and thats just how you define god.
But in the same vain, one cannot disprove that god created everything 10 seconds ago with fake memories for everyone.
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Or, i dont believe either of those because we dont actually know whether the universe needed a creator or not.
Its perfectly fine to adopt the position of "i dont know" every now and then instead of doing a god of the gaps argument.
Ooooh nonono someone is about to celebrate a guy's death within the next 2 years
you cant hide anything from god though, so how does this make any sense?
i have been religious half my life and yet he never cared to reveal himself to me
it really depends on how far down the rabbit hole they are. i think our next meeting will be interesting, since one of my nieces may have autism, so his go-to is obviously that she is autistic due to tylenol/vaccines
i have been religious half my life and yet he never cared to reveal himself to me
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it really depends on how far down the rabbit hole they are. i think our next meeting will be interesting, since one of my nieces may have autism, so his go-to is obviously that she is autistic due to tylenol/vaccines
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It's because God made time
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
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Job 38:4-13
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
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The difference between the belief that others exist, and that God just made you with your memories like you are, is that believing others exist is reasonable and self-evident, but the idea that God just made you with your current memories is baseless.
Why not take the same attitude with a phone you find somewhere in a field?
By hiding I meant staying in the dark and not coming to him for salvation
You may not have met him, but who made you and the air you breathe and everything you see?
Job 42:1-6
42 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
.
Job 38:4-13
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
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The difference between the belief that others exist, and that God just made you with your memories like you are, is that believing others exist is reasonable and self-evident, but the idea that God just made you with your current memories is baseless.
Why not take the same attitude with a phone you find somewhere in a field?
By hiding I meant staying in the dark and not coming to him for salvation
You may not have met him, but who made you and the air you breathe and everything you see?
Job 42:1-6
42 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
convenient.
it has as much basis as the claim that god is the creator of the universe
because we know how phones are made, but we dont know how universes form and whether that can occur naturally or whether it requires supernatural intervention. so far scientists dont resort to invoking god for explaining it though.
who made god?
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it has as much basis as the claim that god is the creator of the universe
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because we know how phones are made, but we dont know how universes form and whether that can occur naturally or whether it requires supernatural intervention. so far scientists dont resort to invoking god for explaining it though.
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who made god?
Well you are limiting the creator within the limits of his creation, and then when someone says he's not limited by what he made, you dismiss it as being too convinient, it's just how it works
It doesn't have as much basis, because there is a difference between knowing creation means creator, and making up a statement that doesn't have proof
So are you looking for knowledge of how universes are made just for the tiny perceived possibility that the universe is an exception to the rule of creation means there's a creator?
It doesn't have as much basis, because there is a difference between knowing creation means creator, and making up a statement that doesn't have proof
So are you looking for knowledge of how universes are made just for the tiny perceived possibility that the universe is an exception to the rule of creation means there's a creator?
Yes, the more biases, the harder it is to get out and yet.. it is possible. I believed in a lot of strange stuff back in the days, sometimes to the point of arguing with my own family. But my mind has always been wired strangely. I needed something more challenging. So my curiosity took the helm. This is why I'm telling you to take a leap of faith. Because this is the only way to jump the gap.
If only time ever existed...
If only time ever existed...
I think that's holding the existence of God up to an un-reasonable standard, especially since you can not for sure prove that someone else you can see touch smell etc exists, and we know very little about how stuff works
Someone else literally can not even prove that you exist, and they have to take you by faith that what they know is enough to know you exist, so how would you go about proving God exists?
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Someone else literally can not even prove that you exist, and they have to take you by faith that what they know is enough to know you exist, so how would you go about proving God exists?
"its just how it works" yes, and thats very convenient that you define god in this way where it doesnt need to apply to him.
god existing and god having created everything 10 seconds ago with fake memories both have the exact same amount of evidence. none
and we dont even know whether the universe had a beginning, so what religious people claim for god that he is eternal could just as well be true for the universe.
Bro, religious people say there is this supernatural being watching over me all the time and punishing me with eternal fire if i dont believe in him the right way. such claims need to be held to extremely high standards.
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
god existing and god having created everything 10 seconds ago with fake memories both have the exact same amount of evidence. none
and we dont even know whether the universe had a beginning, so what religious people claim for god that he is eternal could just as well be true for the universe.
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Bro, religious people say there is this supernatural being watching over me all the time and punishing me with eternal fire if i dont believe in him the right way. such claims need to be held to extremely high standards.
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Well yeah God is the creator, that's who we're reffering to
Btw @Logiko @Zenos7 Mamdani quoted Eugene Debs in a speech, and a few months ago I shared a quote about Eugene Debs, that said Eugene Debs would sit in his kitchen or his house and recite John Brown's court speech to the person who made the quote, and John Brown is the anti-slavery christian fighter I mentioned a lot
Btw @Logiko @Zenos7 Mamdani quoted Eugene Debs in a speech, and a few months ago I shared a quote about Eugene Debs, that said Eugene Debs would sit in his kitchen or his house and recite John Brown's court speech to the person who made the quote, and John Brown is the anti-slavery christian fighter I mentioned a lot