You're so smart you're damning yourself to hell trying to be clever and show yourself as wise
Me : stating some well attested facts
You : threatens with hell


Bro this is better like debating cn4
and he isnt really putting in any effort to convince people. and he could convince literally every single person on this planet this very moment since he is omnipotent, but he doesnt.
A dictator tries to convince only through threats and torture
 
Me : stating some well attested facts
You : threatens with hell


Bro this is better like debating cn4

A dictator tries to convince only through threats and torture
Prove them if they are facts

You are just trying to seem clever, I wonder how many atheists were killed by the catholic church vs how many protestants were killed by the catholic church

That seemingly clever anti authority take is landing you in hell
 
Prove them if they are facts

You are just trying to seem clever, I wonder how many atheists were killed by the catholic church vs how many protestants were killed by the catholic church

That seemingly clever anti authority take is landing you in hell
man this really leaves a bad taste considering how incredibly positive you usually are. . . .
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Yeah he is seen face to face
do we have physical bodies in heaven?
 
man this really leaves a bad taste considering how incredibly positive you usually are. . . .
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do we have physical bodies in heaven?
It's a positive message, you can get out of having to go to hell, for free

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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1 Corinthians 15:40-44
40

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

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Joel 2:1-11
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2

A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3

A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.


4


The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5

Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6

Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

7

They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8

Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9

They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10

The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11

And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?




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Yeah saved people will have a body, but not necesarilly in heaven, maybe at the end of the world or the rapture, I don't know the exact details
 
We know fckall about what the man said
we know very little in general, because extra-biblical sources are scarce and mainly talk about what his followers are saying about him.

in bible research there is a differentiation between the kerygmatic jesus, the historical jesus, and the real jesus. the latter being the actual person that inspired the new testament writing, the historical jesus is an attempt to filter the new testament writing on what would be historically valid to accredit to someone from that time, and the kerygmatic jesus being the savior-messiah-type figure of the new testament writings.
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It's a positive message, you can get out of having to go to hell, for free

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

.

1 Corinthians 15:40-44
40

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

.

Joel 2:1-3
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2

A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3

A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

.

Yeah saved people will have a body, but not necesarilly in heaven, maybe at the end of the world or the rapture, I don't know the exact details
can you please just put the bible stuff in spoilers or just share a link and tell us what passages to look at? or just tell me the passage and i look it up in my own bible?

scrolling through your posts to find what you are saying as opposed what is you spamming bible verses is tedious.
 
Romans 8:28-29

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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Also when someone is saved, they are predestinated to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ
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we know very little in general, because extra-biblical sources are scarce and mainly talk about what his followers are saying about him.

in bible research there is a differentiation between the kerygmatic jesus, the historical jesus, and the real jesus. the latter being the actual person that inspired the new testament writing, the historical jesus is an attempt to filter the new testament writing on what would be historically valid to accredit to someone from that time, and the kerygmatic jesus being the savior-messiah-type figure of the new testament writings.
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can you please just put the bible stuff in spoilers or just share a link and tell us what passages to look at? or just tell me the passage and i look it up in my own bible?

scrolling through your posts to find what you are saying as opposed what is you spamming bible verses is tedious.
Sure
 
It’s irrelevant to me whether the universe was created or is eternal, that doesn’t change anything about the kind of theism I find interesting.
the universe being eternal is antithetical to the cosmological argument theists use to argue that the universe requires a creator in the first place. though this is more philosophical and not necessarily important to theism itself, i grant you that.

Plenty of scientists are still religious regardless of this as well
 
well i do, he can do anything since he is omnipotent?!
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i was still religious half my life dude. i have tried to be humble and ask for salvation. i even visited the supposedly holy site of fatima in portugal.
If you trusted Jesus Christ for your salvation then you are saved now anyway whether you still believe or not, because you can't lose it



1 John 5:13


“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”


I don't know what you went through but I went through some very brutal trauma so I relate, trigger warning pretty brutal body mutilation


I got beaten so bad around 9 years old I think, that the skin of my knee was completely removed in the beating, and I saw the pool of blood under the skin of my knee and i saw my bone poke out of it a little bit, if I did not hold my leg upright my knee's blood would have entirely spilled out literally, and I have a scar from it, but I have a scar that's three or four times bigger on the side of the same leg and I have no idea where the bigger one comes from
 
the universe being eternal is antithetical to the cosmological argument theists use to argue that the universe requires a creator in the first place. though this is more philosophical and not necessarily important to theism itself, i grant you that.

Plenty of scientists are still religious regardless of this as well
its only antithetical to some philosophical traditions like kalam

for neoplatonism, panentheism, non dualism, hinduism its irrelevant. And i agree.

I think the approach of the relation of god and universe = "temporal-causal-creation" relation is a wrong path
 
If you trsuted Jesus Christ for your salvation then you are saved now anyway whether you still believe or not, because you can't lose it
dayum, party time :myman:

I don't know what you went through but I went through some very brutal trauma, trigger warning pretty brutal body mutilation
thats a hardcore story, sorry to hear that. trauma is not the reason why i stopped being religious
 
dayum, party time :myman:


thats a hardcore story, sorry to hear that. trauma is not the reason why i stopped being religious
It's alrighty, I'm very happy where my life went now, actually me getting kicked out for believing what I did lead to me having a home that was way safer

And I mean if you know you are saved, look at 1 John 5:13 to know, when it comes to living in sin, you could but bad stuff is going to happen and you will regret it

I hope I meet you all in heaven
 
its only antithetical to some philosophical traditions like kalam

for neoplatonism, panentheism, non dualism, hinduism its irrelevant. And i agree.

I think the approach of the relation of god and universe = "temporal-causal-creation" relation is a wrong path
well those are not tied to the personal type of creator god in abrahamic monotheistic frameworks.

i do like the idea of panentheism and have had some transcendental experiences in that direction tbh (under the influence of drugs, but still)
 
well those are not tied to the personal type of creator god in abrahamic monotheistic frameworks.

i do like the idea of panentheism and have had some transcendental experiences in that direction tbh (under the influence of drugs, but still)
yes, but you can be a soft panentheist and a catholic, but thats not the point: I can reject the temporal-creational proofs for god and still be alligned with christian theism.

just because were under influence of hallucinogens these experiences are valid
 
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