Character Discussion Qin Shi Huang vs Beelzebub (Character-wise and fighting)

[The White Crane]

Yeah but it's Hades' Persephone Roa not just an ordinary swing. The energy deflected back left Hades in a pitiful state. Hades of all people.
If he can deflect and redirect energy I see no reason to assume he couldn't do it. In the above panels you can see Qin physically directing it back. So imo he can do it.

Hm, if Qin can touch the Skull staff, maybe, but he can't do that without getting wrecked by the surround vibrations, imo.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Hm, if Qin can touch the Skull staff, maybe, but he can't do that without getting wrecked by the surround vibrations, imo.

Qin can apply the heavenly hand of defense through his sword. Not to mention that with Tortoise Ripple he can disturb Beel and offset his tech.

 

[The White Crane]

Qin can apply the heavenly hand of defense through his sword. Not to mention that with Tortoise Ripple he can disturb Beel and offset his tech.

I admit Qin's chance is better if he uses his sword from the beginning, although I maintain that Qin would lose if Beel uses Chaos, since the damage he receives will not only be the ones Qin himself takes, but also the ones Beel takes.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I admit Qin's chance is better if he uses his sword from the beginning, although I maintain that Qin would lose if Beel uses Chaos, since the damage he receives will not only be the ones Qin himself takes, but also the ones Beel takes.

Much better. Not sure one would take him out, especially since it can only happen if he decides to take his blindfold off and focus on Beel. When he notices that Beel's techniques hurt himself I am sure Qin would keep his blindfold on. This man without a volund fought and defeated a Demon God in 6 days and he didn't seem tired or exhausted at all.

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Plus Qin should be able to alleviate the impact of the Chaos using his defensive techniques.

 

[The White Crane]

Much better. Not sure one would take him out, especially since it can only happen if he decides to take his blindfold off and focus on Beel. When he notices that Beel's techniques hurt himself I am sure Qin would keep his blindfold on. This man without a volund fought and defeated a Demon God in 6 days and he didn't seem tired or exhausted at all.

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Plus Qin should be able to alleviate the impact of the Chaos using his defensive techniques.

To be fair, I doubt Chi You was all that impressive, tbh, in comparison to Hades or Beel or Hajun.

Not that I don't buy Qin dealing with Chaos that way, but that's a little too NFL (for lack of better words) imo.

Besides, there's always the question of what Satan will do if Beel actually dies, which we didn't see because Tesla failed to beat Beel. Assuming something even worse happens, Qin isn't walking out with a W here.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

To be fair, I doubt Chi You was all that impressive, tbh, in comparison to Hades or Beel or Hajun.

Yeah Chi You is deffo weaker than those, but still a demon God and the God of War in China, and Qin managed to defeat him without a Volund in a 6 day battle. It shows how extremely strong he is as well as how good his stamina and endurance are.

Not that I don't buy Qin dealing with Chaos that way, but that's a little too NFL (for lack of better words) imo.

I think it makes sense. I am not saying he can negate it 100 percent but lessen the impact for sure, like Tesla did.

Besides, there's always the question of what Satan will do if Beel actually dies, which we didn't see because Tesla failed to beat Beel. Assuming something even worse happens, Qin isn't walking out with a W here.

That is tricky, but imo Satan doesn't boost Beel much if at all. All he does is make Beel merciless and fighting without a care for anyone, willing to kill even his friends. Of course this is just speculation, but so is thinking anything Satan does makes Beel much more powerful, when we have actually seen is that it makes Beel bloodthirsty and in a kill frenzy.

 

[The White Crane]

Yeah Chi You is deffo weaker than those, but still a demon God and the God of War in China, and Qin managed to defeat him without a Volund in a 6 day battle. It shows how extremely strong he is as well as how good his stamina and endurance are.

I know what you mean, but I wouldn't put the 6 days as significant here, considering Qin vs Hades lasted much much much shorter but it was, like any Ragnarok fight, the hardest fight either one participant ever had in all their lives.

I think it makes sense. I am not saying he can negate it 100 percent but lessen the impact for sure, like Tesla did.

Tesla sacrificed one of his only 3 coils for that (which means Qin had to sacrifice something comparable). And he was in a suit of armor. I don't like Qin's chances vs Chaos.

is tricky, but imo Satan doesn't boost Beel much if at all. All he does is make Beel merciless and fighting without a care for anyone, willing to kill even his friends. Of course this is just speculation, but so is thinking anything Satan does makes Beel much more powerful, when we have actually seen is that it makes Beel bloodthirsty and in a kill frenzy.

Fair enough, but I also think Beel's mind is a a lot more analytical than Hades' (like when he analyzed the Pulse Warp punch) and he can take his time dodging against Qin since Qin has nothing like the Prison of the Gods to restrict his movement. This means that Beel can formulate and implement tactics to deploy against Qin mid-fight.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I know what you mean, but I wouldn't put the 6 days as significant here, considering Qin vs Hades lasted much much much shorter but it was, like any Ragnarok fight, the hardest fight either one participant ever had in all their lives.

It's significant imo cuz it proves how good Qin's stamina and endurance are, even without a volund. That's my entire point. Qin's stamina and endurance is among the best in RoR. The man spent his entire life getting injured and suffering injuries from others, but now he doesn't even flinch at those.

Tesla sacrificed one of his only 3 coils for that (which means Qin had to sacrifice something comparable). And he was in a suit of armor. I don't like Qin's chances vs Chaos.

My man, Qin's volund is armor lol. Alvitr, or host-guard, is legit an armor, that helps protect Qin from from the enemy's most lethal attacks while allowing him to maximize the full potential of his martial arts. Alvitr is a divine weapon specializing in defense

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Volund that specializes in defense>one that does not. With that plus Qin's own martial arts Qin can take the attacks much better than Tesla could.

Fair enough, but I also think Beel's mind is a a lot more analytical than Hades' (like when he analyzed the Pulse Warp punch) and he can take his time dodging against Qin since Qin has nothing like the Prison of the Gods to restrict his movement. This means that Beel can formulate and implement tactics to deploy against Qin mid-fight.

Imo Beel seems more book smart so yeah he'd be able to utilize his brain, but Qin is no slouch either. Both are experienced, but I'd bet on Qin outmaneuvering him.

 

[The White Crane]

It's significant imo cuz it proves how good Qin's stamina and endurance are, even without a volund. That's my entire point. Qin's stamina and endurance is among the best in RoR. The man spent his entire life getting injured and suffering injuries from others, but now he doesn't even flinch at those.

But a Ragnarok fight is leagues ahead in pressure and difficulty. I mean, Qin had to be carried out after fighting Hades for not even 30 minutes (I think), whereas he was still able to move around after beating that demon god.

My man, Qin's volund is armor lol. Alvitr, or host-guard, is legit an armor, that helps protect Qin from from the enemy's most lethal attacks while allowing him to maximize the full potential of his martial arts. Alvitr is a divine weapon specializing in defense

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Volund that specializes in defense>one that does not. With that plus Qin's own martial arts Qin can take the attacks much better than Tesla could.

Fair enough, but Hades' AP did not seem to be as impressive as Beel's, though. Hades especially had nothing close to Chaos (which made Zeus panicked), so I can't really buy Qin's defense being > Tesla's since Automaton managed to survive Chaos (albeit with great difficulty).

Imo Beel seems more book smart so yeah he'd be able to utilize his brain, but Qin is no slouch either. Both are experienced, but I'd bet on Qin outmaneuvering him.

Hm...Beel did eventually outsmart Tesla, so I can't really see Qin outsmarting Beel.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

But a Ragnarok fight is leagues ahead in pressure and difficulty. I mean, Qin had to be carried out after fighting Hades for not even 30 minutes (I think), whereas he was still able to move around after beating that demon god.

I never disagreed with any of that. I am establishing a precedence of why Qin's stamina and endurance are top tier.

Fair enough, but Hades' AP did not seem to be as impressive as Beel's, though. Hades especially had nothing close to Chaos (which made Zeus panicked),

Hades' AP is superb.

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Qin was touted as the only one capable of pulling off a feat like deflecting against Hades. Not any other human or God could

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Hades managed to break through a divine weapon specialzing in defense which is crazy AP

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He can give it his own blood and make it so powerful

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can't really buy Qin's defense being > Tesla's since Automaton managed to survive Chaos (albeit with great difficulty).

I am sorry but it's clearly stated Alvitr is the greatest defensive volund we have had and the one specializing in it, so clearly her defense trumps the others.

Hm...Beel did eventually outsmart Tesla, so I can't really see Qin outsmarting Beel.

Qin managed to outmaneuver Hades who was much more experienced than him and to whom Beel admitted inferiority to and lost

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With all things considered I cannot see how Beel can beat Qin.​

 

[The White Crane]

I never disagreed with any of that. I am establishing a precedence of why Qin's stamina and endurance are top tier.​

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Ok.

Hades' AP is superb.

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Qin was touted as the only one capable of pulling off a feat like deflecting against Hades. Not any other human or God could

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Hades managed to break through a divine weapon specialzing in defense which is crazy AP

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He can give it his own blood and make it so powerful

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I am sorry but it's clearly stated Alvitr is the greatest defensive volund we have had and the one specializing in it, so clearly her defense trumps the others.

Hm, fair enough, I guess, but I still don't buy into Qin redirecting the vibrations unless he can touch Apomyius' skull, which is way too dangerous to do since the vibrations surrounding the skull would wreck his hands if that were the case.

Qin managed to outmaneuver Hades who was much more experienced than him and to whom Beel admitted inferiority to and lost

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With all things considered I cannot see how Beel can beat Qin.

I don't think we can really compare what Beel could do without Apomyius back then with how he is now, tbh.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Hm, fair enough, I guess, but I still don't buy into Qin redirecting the vibrations unless he can touch Apomyius' skull, which is way too dangerous to do since the vibrations surrounding the skull would wreck his hands if that were the case.

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That's why he'll use his sword, which we agreed upon earlier. Which makes it much easier.

I don't think we can really compare what Beel could do without Apomyius back then with how he is now, tbh.

It certainly helps yeah, but Hades seemed so much superior that I doubt it'd be enough to bridge the gap between them. Hades didn't even look like he broke a sweat. Certainly Beel got stronger, but I'd back up Hades again.

 

[The White Crane]

That's why he'll use his sword, which we agreed upon earlier. Which makes it much easier.

The problem for Qin then becomes speed and mobility, since Tesla needed to use his Tesla Warp to even land an initial hit on Beel. I don't recall Qin having that kinda speed.

It certainly helps yeah, but Hades seemed so much superior that I doubt it'd be enough to bridge the gap between them. Hades didn't even look like he broke a sweat. Certainly Beel got stronger, but I'd back up Hades again.

Well, divine weapons can make plenty of difference in this series. Buddha went from getting slapped around by Hajun when using the Six Paths Staff but gained a W when using Zero. I won't be surprised if Beel with Apomyius can win against Hades.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

The problem for Qin then becomes speed and mobility, since Tesla needed to use his Tesla Warp to even land an initial hit on Beel. I don't recall Qin having that kinda speed.

Qin could fight evenly with Hades who is superior to Beel in stats. Plus Qin pulled off a feat of speed that Sasaki Kojiro believed was impossible. The man that fought Poseidon, one of the fastest Gods and became even faster than him believed that it's impossible to do something so fast as to keep up and lands hits

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Plus Qin was touted as the only one capable of accomplishing this type of feat against Hades

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Qin is landing hits on Beel.

Well, divine weapons can make plenty of difference in this series. Buddha went from getting slapped around by Hajun when using the Six Paths Staff but gained a W when using Zero. I won't be surprised if Beel with Apomyius can win against Hades.

They do. But Buddha's weapon is special and in a tier of its own. It's the only weapon made of a God that we know of. Don't think the comparison is valid at all. I still see Hades winning against Beel as well.

 

[The White Crane]

Qin could fight evenly with Hades who is superior to Beel in stats. Plus Qin pulled off a feat of speed that Sasaki Kojiro believed was impossible. The man that fought Poseidon, one of the fastest Gods and became even faster than him believed that it's impossible to do something so fast as to keep up and lands hits

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Plus Qin was touted as the only one capable of accomplishing this type of feat against Hades

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Qin is landing hits on Beel.




They do. But Buddha's weapon is special and in a tier of its own. It's the only weapon made of a God that we know of. Don't think the comparison is valid at all. I still see Hades winning against Beel as well.

If Qin can store the vibration energy into Alvitr, he stands a chance to win against Beel. But, Beel will possibly analyze and understand what Alvitr can do before that happens, anyway, so I still don't see Beel losing against Qin.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

If Qin can store the vibration energy into Alvitr, he stands a chance to win against Beel.

Yeah Qin can do that. I showed it in some previous post. He managed to store Hades' strongest attack, one further boosted by Hades' very own lifeforce.

But, Beel will possibly analyze and understand what Alvitr can do before that happens, anyway, so I still don't see Beel losing against Qin.

I am not sure about that. Qin has all the tools to take on Beel and win.


I've demonstrated above that Qin has the speed, armor, and abilities to take out Beel. Plus with Tortoise Ripple Qin can offset Beel's techs by a lot and make it extra hard for him to fight at all.

 

[The White Crane]

Yeah Qin can do that. I showed it in some previous post. He managed to store Hades' strongest attack, one further boosted by Hades' very own lifeforce.


I am not sure about that. Qin has all the tools to take on Beel and win.


I've demonstrated above that Qin has the speed, armor, and abilities to take out Beel. Plus with Tortoise Ripple Qin can offset Beel's techs by a lot and make it extra hard for him to fight at all.

All things being equal, Beel has the feat of stopping the final Tesla Warp PPP X punch, so if he can do that against Qin to use the Devil's Horn in any part of Qin that is not covered by Alvitr, then Qin is done for.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

All things being equal, Beel has the feat of stopping the final Tesla Warp PPP X punch, so if he can do that against Qin to use the Devil's Horn in any part of Qin that is not covered by Alvitr, then Qin is done for.

Qin has way more in his bag and way more to favour him against Beel, like I showed in the previous posts. So imo Qin beats Beel.


I think it's better to agree to disagree lol. We've been going at it for two days lmao.

 

[The White Crane]

Qin has way more in his bag and way more to favour him against Beel, like I showed in the previous posts. So imo Qin beats Beel.


I think it's better to agree to disagree lol. We've been going at it for two days lmao.

That aside, I suppose it's fine to call off this game on account of darkness. :cheers:

Also, a little idea for your next thread: best anime/manga villains.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

That aside, I suppose it's fine to call off this game on account of darkness. :cheers:

We'd just be going into circles lol.


Qin still wins tho

Also, a little idea for your next thread: best anime/manga villains.

Already did it lol. You can share your thoughts there if you haven't already.

Here's the link
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/best-manga-villain.27917/