So we can’t compare anything unless they’re the same category? Why are Kid and Law compared, Why are King and Katakuri compared, Why are Garp and Roger compared, Lebron and Jordan compared , Why are Zoro and Sanji compared? These people have different fighting styles / Positions yet people compare them why? Because they have a common denominator, Lebron and Jordan are Basketball Players and the Pirates/ Marines are all Fighters, Naruto, DBZ, and One Piece are Manga and that alone is enough
General & Others Rank These 3 Series; One Piece Post Timeskip, DBZ, & Naruto Shippuden
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I explained myself quite clearly already.
Without DBZ, there is no Naruto and One Piece. And that alone is enough. Because Naruto and One Piece built on top of the tropes and narrative structures that DBZ pioneered.
Garp and Roger are rivals, Jordan didn't invent basketball. Zoro and Sanji are pirates IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD.
Without DBZ, there is no Naruto and One Piece. And that alone is enough. Because Naruto and One Piece built on top of the tropes and narrative structures that DBZ pioneered.
Garp and Roger are rivals, Jordan didn't invent basketball. Zoro and Sanji are pirates IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD.
I haven't watched Naruto, but for me I would put one piece post timeskip as better than dragon ball z, only because I like both one piece and dragon ball, and for me if I like a series the newest story is the best, and one piece post timeskip is newer than dragon ball z
Like I get that characters develop and that and it may be preffered how they acted at a certain point but I like the newest story because that is where there is more of them and their most developed character and their current true person
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Like I get that characters develop and that and it may be preffered how they acted at a certain point but I like the newest story because that is where there is more of them and their most developed character and their current true person
Difficult without one piece ending but I will say Shippuuden is the worst. And it has almost nothing to do with the war arc which most people seem to have a problem with.
The more narrow focus to Naruto and Sasuke post ts didn't pay off given that they were bazillion more interesting characters and dynamics kishimoto could explore but didnt
Kubo often gets hit with the allegations of inventing aura farming but the amount of pages where the whole plot came to stop just Naruto (infamous example; where the kakuzu hidan arc finale was hijacked by becoming a gintama level of parody where Naruto trains his jutsu against a s rank nuke nin while Kakashi and yamato are his tard wranglers) and Sasuke (someone did a page count where Sasuke just stands there looking cool doing fucking nothing to the plot) Is actually insane
The more narrow focus to Naruto and Sasuke post ts didn't pay off given that they were bazillion more interesting characters and dynamics kishimoto could explore but didnt
Kubo often gets hit with the allegations of inventing aura farming but the amount of pages where the whole plot came to stop just Naruto (infamous example; where the kakuzu hidan arc finale was hijacked by becoming a gintama level of parody where Naruto trains his jutsu against a s rank nuke nin while Kakashi and yamato are his tard wranglers) and Sasuke (someone did a page count where Sasuke just stands there looking cool doing fucking nothing to the plot) Is actually insane
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I didn't say they are similar (although they are), but DBZ is the stepping stone of popularization of mangas and animes outside of Japan, direct influence of One Piece and Naruto.
I already explained my point, I understand you guys have a different perspective, but if one directly inspires the others and they build upon them, it's clear where the incomparability lies.
I already explained my point, I understand you guys have a different perspective, but if one directly inspires the others and they build upon them, it's clear where the incomparability lies.
I'm going with DBZ>One Piece post-TS>Naruto Shippuden, personally.
Look...I'll admit that Dragon Ball Z, as a story, isn't THAT good. It's very light on actual plot. It's just a series of fights. Some of the forms get kind of ridiculous. Some of the decisions these characters make just make NO sense.
But, I grew up with it. I've been watching it since I was a child. That's something that none of the other shows offer. It might not have been the first anime I ever watched, but it was one of the first.
Plus, I feel like almost every anime fan is familiar with Dragon Ball Z. If you show them a poster, most anime fans will be able to tell you who Frieza, Cell, and Buu are. DBZ reached a level of cultural penetration that very few series achieve. One Piece is only now MAYBE achieving something similar. I've seen a few "pirate anime" parodies pop up in western cartoons. People are starting to respect One Piece, but I doubt they know ALL of the thousands of characters, the way they know the 3 big bads of DBZ.
Plus, DBZ did help lay a lot of the foundation that other shonen battle manga still use to this day. Now, I actually wouldn't say it "created" most of these tropes and cliches that we see everywhere nowadays. If anything, I think Kinnikuman/Ultimate Muscle actually deserves a lot of credit for actually starting the trend of combining action and comedy and tournament arcs into something resembling the Shonen formula as we know it today. But, I also believe that DBZ improved and perfected on what Kinnikuman started. Kinnikuman never really got popular in the west. DBZ did. Without DBZ, I'm not sure if the anime community in the west would be the same as it is today.
DBZ isn't perfect. But, I do think it's incredibly likable. Even with all it's faults, I have a hard time really being too hard on DBZ. A lot of that is nostalgia, I'll admit that. But, I do think it's a show that's just easy to watch and enjoy. It's got a very broad appeal. Dragon Ball Z deserves the top spot, in my mind.
Now, personally, I'd actually say I ENJOY One Piece more. One Piece is a much more complex and layered story, compared to the other two. There's SO MANY characters. There's SO MUCH going on. There's SO MUCH to try and remember. There are actually THEMES in One Piece. There's actual METAPHORS in One Piece. That actually feels pretty rare to find in a Shonen battle manga.
I mean, I'm HERE, aren't I? I'm having a ball speculating and theorizing how all these pieces could possibly end up fitting together. I don't really do this for any other manga series. Most of the time, I wait until the manga is over, and THEN I read it all. One Piece is a pretty rare exception.
But, I also feel like that complexity is kind of what may also hold it back. One Piece is, by far, the longest of the three. The Post-Time Skip ALONE is longer than ALL of Dragon Ball. And some people are going to be overwhelmed. I think just about anyone can enjoy the simplicity of DBZ. I don't think One Piece is necessarily for everyone. It's a HUGE investment. Not just in time, but also money, just if you want to collect the manga. And I'm not sure if any of the One Piece villains have really become well known to the anime community at large, the way the DBZ villains have. If you showed the average anime fan a poster of One Piece villains, I'm not sure if they could point out Crocodile or Arlong or Doflamingo or Kaido.
It's also not really fair to compare all three of these since One Piece isn't over yet. We're comparing a unfinished product to two completed ones. I do think One Piece has the potential to overtake DBZ in my eyes. But a lot of that is going to depend on Oda nailing the ending. If Oda can deliver a great ending, then this will go down as one of the great manga. But, right now it's up in the air on whether the ending will be any good or not.
But, even if the ending is disappointing, I do think One Piece is something special. One Piece is playing a completely different game than any other manga out there. Just by managing to be as long as it is, it's got one of the most fleshed out worlds any manga has ever seen. It's very possible that no other manga will be able to tell one continuous story as long as One Piece has ever again. Attention spans are only getting shorter. And fewer people are willing to make decades-long shonen epics anymore, if only for health reasons. No other manga has really been like One Piece before it and I doubt any manga will manage to quite be like One Piece after it. I really do think One Piece will end up being one of a kind in a lot of ways.
Although, it's possible One Piece will end up being influential in other ways. I've seen some discussion around that One Piece is actually inspiring the next generation of mangaka to actually plan out their manga stories more. To add more foreshadowing and to have a ending in mind. Some people are speculating that's why we're getting shorter shonen manga stories lately. They're planning them out, and once they're done with the story they want to tell, the mangaka just end it, rather than trying to stretch it out. So, maybe that will end up being One Piece's influence upon the manga world. It's hard to say.
But, even Post-Time Skip, I've been enjoying One Piece. Maybe not as much as Pre-time skip, but still. Wano has been the only arc that felt like a major misstep, to me. Mind you, that was a BIG misstep. But, still. everything else has been pretty solid. Fishman Island was a good introduction to the Strawhat's new powers. Punk Hazard gave us a new ally and introduced us to new concepts. Dressrossa had Doflamingo one of the best villains of the series. Whole Cake had Sanji's plotline and a great unique aesthetic. Zou gave us the Minks and their transformations. Wano had the big reveal of Gear 5. And Egghead revealed ALL the Gorosei. I've really enjoyed Post-time skip One Piece. I won't say it's perfect. But, it's building to something. It all kind of depends on what it turns out to be building up to.
And then there's Naruto Shippuden. Oh boy...Shippuden.
Okay, I probably need to tell you all something. I experienced Shippuden weekly via Toonami. I never read the manga. I never binged the anime. I watched EVERY SINGLE EPISODE via Toonami weekly. Including ALL the filler. I actually only JUST finished Shippuden a few months ago, when it finally finished airing on Toonami. I was determined to watch this via Toonami, over the course of what felt like DECADES. So, maybe that influenced my enjoyment of the story. I don't know.
But, Shippuden in particular has...problems. Shippuden is uneven. I'm not going to say there aren't high points. I like Pain. I like Killer B. I'm even lukewarm on the "aliens" showing up at the ending. At least we got Naruto the Last Movie out of that, and that was a spectacle.
But, Post-time skip Sasuke REALLY brings the whole thing down for me. And SO MUCH of this story started revolving solely around Sasuke. The final straw was the ending. Where they finally defeated Madara, and then we finally defeated Kaguya, and we were finally almost done with this story had had been dragging along for SO LONG. And then Sasuke decides HE wants to wipe everyone out. After helping them stop the other two final villains. I could have taken or left Sasuke before that. But, that was really the final straw for me. It was just one final boss too many for me.
And I get it. In a way, it was set up since the final battle of the OG Naruto. It almost HAD to come back around. And it was even a really good fight that didn't last too long. But...the story up to that point was BARELY worth it anymore. And Sasuke's reasons for doing this NOW were SO thin. And then they kinda-sorta undo the "consequences " of that battle almost immediately, anyway.
And even outside of Sasuke, only about half of the Akatsuki turned out to be interesting. The other half of that group were...present. Some of them had good fights, but I wouldn't call them all time iconic villains. They really just had great style, and a good tailor. I could not name all of them, even if you payed me.
I actually much prefer the OG Naruto to Shippuden. Shippuden has a problem similar to Post-TS One Piece, in that they introduce too many characters that don't really feel like they matter and don't get to do much. Only in One Piece, Oda goes SO FAR with it, that it honestly almost circles around to working again. A lot of the new characters in Shippuden kind of just blend together in a giant brown wall to me. I just don't care that much about them.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't hate Shippuden. But, of the three stories we're talking about? I think this is the one that kind of falls apart, moreso than the other two. DBZ is too simple to really fall apart and have that matter. DBZ is like pizza, even when it's stale, it's still pretty good. And we just don't know about One Piece for sure. Naruto...kind of did fall to pieces by the end, in my opinion. It just becomes a victim of it's own ambition, and isn't really able to come together at the end. At least, in my opinion.
So, yeah, that was probably more detail than you needed. But, hey, what do you expect from me at this point?
Look...I'll admit that Dragon Ball Z, as a story, isn't THAT good. It's very light on actual plot. It's just a series of fights. Some of the forms get kind of ridiculous. Some of the decisions these characters make just make NO sense.
But, I grew up with it. I've been watching it since I was a child. That's something that none of the other shows offer. It might not have been the first anime I ever watched, but it was one of the first.
Plus, I feel like almost every anime fan is familiar with Dragon Ball Z. If you show them a poster, most anime fans will be able to tell you who Frieza, Cell, and Buu are. DBZ reached a level of cultural penetration that very few series achieve. One Piece is only now MAYBE achieving something similar. I've seen a few "pirate anime" parodies pop up in western cartoons. People are starting to respect One Piece, but I doubt they know ALL of the thousands of characters, the way they know the 3 big bads of DBZ.
Plus, DBZ did help lay a lot of the foundation that other shonen battle manga still use to this day. Now, I actually wouldn't say it "created" most of these tropes and cliches that we see everywhere nowadays. If anything, I think Kinnikuman/Ultimate Muscle actually deserves a lot of credit for actually starting the trend of combining action and comedy and tournament arcs into something resembling the Shonen formula as we know it today. But, I also believe that DBZ improved and perfected on what Kinnikuman started. Kinnikuman never really got popular in the west. DBZ did. Without DBZ, I'm not sure if the anime community in the west would be the same as it is today.
DBZ isn't perfect. But, I do think it's incredibly likable. Even with all it's faults, I have a hard time really being too hard on DBZ. A lot of that is nostalgia, I'll admit that. But, I do think it's a show that's just easy to watch and enjoy. It's got a very broad appeal. Dragon Ball Z deserves the top spot, in my mind.
Now, personally, I'd actually say I ENJOY One Piece more. One Piece is a much more complex and layered story, compared to the other two. There's SO MANY characters. There's SO MUCH going on. There's SO MUCH to try and remember. There are actually THEMES in One Piece. There's actual METAPHORS in One Piece. That actually feels pretty rare to find in a Shonen battle manga.
I mean, I'm HERE, aren't I? I'm having a ball speculating and theorizing how all these pieces could possibly end up fitting together. I don't really do this for any other manga series. Most of the time, I wait until the manga is over, and THEN I read it all. One Piece is a pretty rare exception.
But, I also feel like that complexity is kind of what may also hold it back. One Piece is, by far, the longest of the three. The Post-Time Skip ALONE is longer than ALL of Dragon Ball. And some people are going to be overwhelmed. I think just about anyone can enjoy the simplicity of DBZ. I don't think One Piece is necessarily for everyone. It's a HUGE investment. Not just in time, but also money, just if you want to collect the manga. And I'm not sure if any of the One Piece villains have really become well known to the anime community at large, the way the DBZ villains have. If you showed the average anime fan a poster of One Piece villains, I'm not sure if they could point out Crocodile or Arlong or Doflamingo or Kaido.
It's also not really fair to compare all three of these since One Piece isn't over yet. We're comparing a unfinished product to two completed ones. I do think One Piece has the potential to overtake DBZ in my eyes. But a lot of that is going to depend on Oda nailing the ending. If Oda can deliver a great ending, then this will go down as one of the great manga. But, right now it's up in the air on whether the ending will be any good or not.
But, even if the ending is disappointing, I do think One Piece is something special. One Piece is playing a completely different game than any other manga out there. Just by managing to be as long as it is, it's got one of the most fleshed out worlds any manga has ever seen. It's very possible that no other manga will be able to tell one continuous story as long as One Piece has ever again. Attention spans are only getting shorter. And fewer people are willing to make decades-long shonen epics anymore, if only for health reasons. No other manga has really been like One Piece before it and I doubt any manga will manage to quite be like One Piece after it. I really do think One Piece will end up being one of a kind in a lot of ways.
Although, it's possible One Piece will end up being influential in other ways. I've seen some discussion around that One Piece is actually inspiring the next generation of mangaka to actually plan out their manga stories more. To add more foreshadowing and to have a ending in mind. Some people are speculating that's why we're getting shorter shonen manga stories lately. They're planning them out, and once they're done with the story they want to tell, the mangaka just end it, rather than trying to stretch it out. So, maybe that will end up being One Piece's influence upon the manga world. It's hard to say.
But, even Post-Time Skip, I've been enjoying One Piece. Maybe not as much as Pre-time skip, but still. Wano has been the only arc that felt like a major misstep, to me. Mind you, that was a BIG misstep. But, still. everything else has been pretty solid. Fishman Island was a good introduction to the Strawhat's new powers. Punk Hazard gave us a new ally and introduced us to new concepts. Dressrossa had Doflamingo one of the best villains of the series. Whole Cake had Sanji's plotline and a great unique aesthetic. Zou gave us the Minks and their transformations. Wano had the big reveal of Gear 5. And Egghead revealed ALL the Gorosei. I've really enjoyed Post-time skip One Piece. I won't say it's perfect. But, it's building to something. It all kind of depends on what it turns out to be building up to.
And then there's Naruto Shippuden. Oh boy...Shippuden.
Okay, I probably need to tell you all something. I experienced Shippuden weekly via Toonami. I never read the manga. I never binged the anime. I watched EVERY SINGLE EPISODE via Toonami weekly. Including ALL the filler. I actually only JUST finished Shippuden a few months ago, when it finally finished airing on Toonami. I was determined to watch this via Toonami, over the course of what felt like DECADES. So, maybe that influenced my enjoyment of the story. I don't know.
But, Shippuden in particular has...problems. Shippuden is uneven. I'm not going to say there aren't high points. I like Pain. I like Killer B. I'm even lukewarm on the "aliens" showing up at the ending. At least we got Naruto the Last Movie out of that, and that was a spectacle.
But, Post-time skip Sasuke REALLY brings the whole thing down for me. And SO MUCH of this story started revolving solely around Sasuke. The final straw was the ending. Where they finally defeated Madara, and then we finally defeated Kaguya, and we were finally almost done with this story had had been dragging along for SO LONG. And then Sasuke decides HE wants to wipe everyone out. After helping them stop the other two final villains. I could have taken or left Sasuke before that. But, that was really the final straw for me. It was just one final boss too many for me.
And I get it. In a way, it was set up since the final battle of the OG Naruto. It almost HAD to come back around. And it was even a really good fight that didn't last too long. But...the story up to that point was BARELY worth it anymore. And Sasuke's reasons for doing this NOW were SO thin. And then they kinda-sorta undo the "consequences " of that battle almost immediately, anyway.
And even outside of Sasuke, only about half of the Akatsuki turned out to be interesting. The other half of that group were...present. Some of them had good fights, but I wouldn't call them all time iconic villains. They really just had great style, and a good tailor. I could not name all of them, even if you payed me.
I actually much prefer the OG Naruto to Shippuden. Shippuden has a problem similar to Post-TS One Piece, in that they introduce too many characters that don't really feel like they matter and don't get to do much. Only in One Piece, Oda goes SO FAR with it, that it honestly almost circles around to working again. A lot of the new characters in Shippuden kind of just blend together in a giant brown wall to me. I just don't care that much about them.
Now, don't get me wrong. I don't hate Shippuden. But, of the three stories we're talking about? I think this is the one that kind of falls apart, moreso than the other two. DBZ is too simple to really fall apart and have that matter. DBZ is like pizza, even when it's stale, it's still pretty good. And we just don't know about One Piece for sure. Naruto...kind of did fall to pieces by the end, in my opinion. It just becomes a victim of it's own ambition, and isn't really able to come together at the end. At least, in my opinion.
So, yeah, that was probably more detail than you needed. But, hey, what do you expect from me at this point?
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