Powers & Abilities Ranking Ace

#23
I don't understand Ace being scaled above Marco. How? What has he done that justifies it?
I do it because of Sabo. Sabo and Ace were portrayed as equals throughout their life. And I don’t think the two years between Aces death and Dressrosa would account for a big difference in power. Plus with how strong Pre Mera Sabo was portrayed I put him above Marco as well.

Now that portrayal is out of the way the manga shows us that Ace and Blackbeards fight engulfed an entire island in its power. That level of power is something beyond what was shown as commanders.

Not to mention this was a fight against the man who scarred someone who was dueling with the worlds strongest swordsman.

Finally to see the growth, Ace was already on par with water jinbe prior to joining the WB Pirates. Meaning he was already on the peak of mid tier to the bottom of commander tier. Finally, we know from there he fought whitebeard countless times, growing stronger each time.

If you believe the ace novels which show what happened while Ace was on WBs ship, it shows how insane his strength truly was. If not, it doesn’t discount that the BB fight showed ace with a level of offense that is beyond the commanders.

The only reason Ace gets undersold is because he’s from a time prior to haki and many people overrate haki.
 
#24
Ace may even be weaker than YC1, but none should beat him in a fight. Ace is a prodigy, he would grow stronger in the course of a tough fight and would beat any commander. Only admirals and emperors can defeat him.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#25
I do it because of Sabo. Sabo and Ace were portrayed as equals throughout their life. And I don’t think the two years between Aces death and Dressrosa would account for a big difference in power. Plus with how strong Pre Mera Sabo was portrayed I put him above Marco as well.
In those same two years, how much did Luffy grow and why is Ace being given an handjob here when Sabo also had those two years to grow?

:kaidowhat:

Now that portrayal is out of the way the manga shows us that Ace and Blackbeards fight engulfed an entire island in its power. That level of power is something beyond what was shown as commanders.
This is where the double standards get ridiculous. Banaro was a small Island to begin with and the clash was barely engulfing 1/3 rd of the Island in the manga.

Doffy canonically showed a country wide ability and awakening AOE which spans multiple towns, much larger than the size of what Ace accomplished with Entei and yet you rank him below Jack...
 
#26
In those same two years, how much did Luffy grow and why is Ace being given an handjob here when Sabo also had those two years to grow?

:kaidowhat:


This is where the double standards get ridiculous. Banaro was a small Island to begin with and the clash was barely engulfing 1/3 rd of the Island in the manga.

Doffy canonically showed a country wide ability and awakening AOE which spans multiple towns, much larger than the size of what Ace accomplished with Entei and yet you rank him below Jack...
Off topic but is The Fable any good? Was about to start
 
#28
I don’t like Sabo (or even Ace, honestly), but he’s very popular, especially in Japan, so he brings money, if you think Oda won’t plot device him up (“prodigy”) like he did with Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Kid and Law, to compete with the top tiers, you’re using bias glasses.
 
#29
In those same two years, how much did Luffy grow and why is Ace being given an handjob here when Sabo also had those two years to grow?

:kaidowhat:
Not everyone Grew the same amount throughout the two year timeskip. I don’t see any reason to assume Sabo did when he didn’t have any new powers or abilities to learn during that timeskip.

Also what makes Banaro Island significantly smaller than Dressrosa? Oda never gave sizes and you can’t go based on look because odas sizes are all over the place. Not to mention Entei is an attack that can actually be used in combat meanwhile bird cage has zero effect on an actual fight.

Doffys god strings were his ultimate attack and it didn’t have anywheres near the ultimate power as Entei.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#32
Not everyone Grew the same amount throughout the two year timeskip. I don’t see any reason to assume Sabo did when he didn’t have any new powers or abilities to learn during that timeskip.
Again, who said he didn't grow during a Timeskip of two years? Sabo's not an established veteran, he's is a rising youngster who's growth rate is comparable to Ace's own.

Also what makes Banaro Island significantly smaller than Dressrosa? Oda never gave sizes and you can’t go based on look because odas sizes are all over the place.
Be real, Banaro had one town which Teach neg diff'd in a single attack whereas Dressrosa is a whole ass country. Greenbit is more comparable to Banaro than Dressrosa.

Not to mention Entei is an attack that can actually be used in combat meanwhile bird cage has zero effect on an actual fight.

Doffys god strings were his ultimate attack and it didn’t have anywheres near the ultimate power as Entei.
We gonna act like Doffy didnt have moves like Ever White which turned an entire Town (what the Island of Banaro had) into strings and made moves out of them for him to use like Flap/God Thread?

And who said God Thread does not have anywhere near the ultimate power as Entei? Both are featless to begin with since both got overwhelmed by their opponents attacks.

Besides the point, the double standards when size & scale mean superiority to commanders in one case but dont apply to other cases is where I'm getting at. Especially compared to scrubs like Jack who hasnt even shown a named attack to begin with let alone "size & scale".
 
#33
He's weaker than Jozu, Marco, Vista. Idk about the rest, since Rakuyo and etc are featless.

But let's be honest that non-canon manga about Ace's novel has clearly wanked Ace like all hell lol.

In Alabasta he is shown to tie with Smoker (at that point in the story the readers would not know how strong Ace or Smoker might actually be), he just commented that their devil fruits cancel each other or some shit and then escaped etc.
He told Smoker he stands no chance against him since his DF is a counter to his. Which is something that Akainu then told Ace.
 
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