Ranking Renpa's HKs/Rinshoujo's Heroes

[God Buggy]

Renpa's HKs and Rinshoujo's Heroes are a bunch of powerful subordinates. And the two groups have in fact been compared.

(Now, we don't have much about Rinshoujo's 8 other heroes aside from the fact that they found death fighting impossible challenges after their master's death, so we're going to stick with the two we know.)

Anyway. Here below, the names. Give your personal ranking of them in terms of overall level.

Rinko: A dangerous tiger in Renpa's possession, experienced, his tactical formations (the Rindou) could penetrate even Ouki's iron defenses, with Rinko landing a successful blow on Qin's monster bird in the process. He was also a very good swordsman and he was given crucial tasks by Renpa.

Genpou: Genpou taught strategy to Renpa and was said to be a strategist on such a level that he could have served as Zhao's chief of military affairs. We are talking about the entire Zhao's military.

Kaishibou: The leader of the HKs, Kaishibou's destructive power was compared to Renpa's by Genpou. As a commander he had earned "over 100 victories" even when operating by himself.

Kyouen: Formerly a commander of a small state, Kyouen is a top 10 archers in China. Renpa said that even him got his hands burnt numerous times by Kyouen in the past, when he was up against the guy. Kyouen fought 4 of the old Qin Six (Kyou, the one who made Kyouen's blood boil the most, Oukotsu, Ouki and Hakuki, the hardest to face), with Renpa asking his opinion about them.

Gyou'un: A dangerous instinctual commander, his warfare being lethal for many strategists. Rinshoujo also drilled into him knowledge of tactics. He also used powerful techniques such as the Raikogu - Generals and GGs got slayed by that. He himself was a powerful warrior, with the weight behind his blows being compared to Renpa's/Gaimou's.

Chougaryuu: A great tactician, the best of Zhao's left wing at Shukai, he was able to use formations such as Rinshoujo's Sifting Sands, creating a defense worthy of a GH. And if the lines were broken, he had powerful cards up his sleeve such as sudden flanking attacks, encirclements and previously prepared traps. He was also, in case, not bad of a warrior himself.

@Great General Kanki @TokOO @Shanks @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung @Owl Ki @Jailer @Blackbeard @Warchief Sanji D Goat @Nidai_Kitetsu @Monet

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

I don’t think they’re meant to be ranked, I pretty much think they’re all equals.

Gyou’Un was the strongest of the Ten Heroes so there’s that. Chou Garyuu was Rinshoujou’s left hand man, so he may be above the 8 who died.

Kaishibou was the leader of the Heavenly Kings, so that’s something to think about.

But yeah I’m pretty sure they were all equal.

 

[God Buggy]

I don’t think they’re meant to be ranked, I pretty much think they’re all equals.

Based on what we've seen from them, if I I could choose who to face between, say, Rinko and Gyou’Un, I'd never pick Gyou’Un. He's a whole other monster. Lol.

And the hype of someone like Genpo in particular was freaking humongous. A man "capable of serving as the commander in chief for Zhao's entire military", lmfao. Hara had him defeated by the man who's possibly the most unorthodox commander ever and someone whose thoughts escape even Ousen.

 

[Great General Kanki]

The HK's aren't really ranked by strength but the 10 Family heroes definitely had some level of ranking. The right hand, the left hand and then 8 others who likely ranked from Bayou level Rokuomi (at best) through to scrub generals (who would ultimately still be a general and therefore powerful in a general sense). No doubt there was a specialist general or two in that as well.

I'd have have Gyou'un on his own level.
Chougaryu and the 4 HK's on a level below.
The other 8 would be scattered in the lower levels to varying degrees.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

1. Genpou (he was the Shouheikun of Zhao, big brained and the former teacher of Renpa and Rinko, that's tough on its own rights lol).
2. Gyou'Un (insane Instinctual General with strong martial might and knowledge, if he wasn't working under RSJ, man would have been a Great Heavens).
3. Rinko (strong and smart).
4. Chougaryuu (also really strong and smart).
5. Kaishibou (man has great destructive power).
6. Kyouen (I guess he's strong and smart on his own rights but he's probably the "weakest" of the Heavenly Kings).

Then you got the 8 Heroes below them.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

1. Gyou'un-sama.
2. Kyou'En.
3. Genpou.
4. Kaishibou.
5. Chougaryuu.
6. Rinko

 

[Cichy]

Rinko is the best of Heavenly Kings as per canon.

Mouten directly stated he is the most dangerous member of the group who is always given most important tasks. Then there's an entire chapter of Renpa wanking Rinko as unstoppable and someone he has his full trust plus he was even given a nickname of "Renpa's Flying Spear". Then you also have Gyou'un and Chougaryuu being directly compared to Kaishibou and Rinko suggesting that those two were Renpa's arms position-wise.

 

[Rumble]

Rinko is the best of Heavenly Kings as per canon.

That's never stated or depicted in the canon.

Mou Ten is a character with no meaningful insight on the Four Heavenly Kings beyond their reputation. It doesn't make sense to couch his comments in any context beyondspeculative.

As much praise and hype Rin Ko was given, it's Kai Shi Bou who led the 4HK, and his strength was compared to that of Ren Pa.

Kyo En got even more hype, having been stated to have crossed swords with Ren Pa on multiple occasions in the past.

There is no canonical answer given to who the best of the 4HK is.

 

[Cichy]

That's never stated or depicted in the canon.

Mou Ten is a character with no meaningful insight on the Four Heavenly Kings beyond their reputation. It doesn't make sense to couch his comments in any context but speculative.

As much praise and hype Rin Ko was given, it's Kai Shi Bou who led the 4HK, and his strength was compared that of Ren Pa.

Kyo En got even more hype, having been stated to have crossed swords with Ren Pa on multiple occasions in the past.

There is no canonical answer given to who the is best of the 4HK is.

Kyouen's hype also comes from Mouten so we either disregard both statements or none of them. Rinko being given the most important missions by Renpa is as credible as Kyouen fighting him in the past.

Regardless od this, I don't believe Kyouen's hype is superior to Rinko. We have no context or circumstances of his battles with Renpa and we know for a fact that his state fell in the end. With Rinko we at least have a concrete feat of him breaking Ouki's formation and leaving a scar.

Now that I think about it, Renpa had very little feith in Kyouen's ability to stop Ousen. Which is strange for someone who apparently matched him in the past.

 

[DoflaMihawk]

Genpou
Gyou'un
Rinko
Kyouen
Kaishibou
Chougaryuu

I like having Genpou on top as it makes Kanki look even better.

 

[MarineHQ]

Genpou
Gyou'un
Rinko
Kyouen
Kaishibou
Chougaryuu

I like having Genpou on top as it makes Kanki look even better.

My man fighting for the Kanki agenda even after he croaked, mad respect king.

 

[Rumble]

Kyouen's hype also comes from Mouten so we either disregard both statements or none of them.

I'm not saying you should completely disregard statements without evidence, I'm saying you should balance those statements against context.

Mou Ten had no way of possessing the necessary context to state who is best among the 4HK.

You're also mistaken on who hyped up Kyou En. It was Ren Pa, who, after receiving reports of Kyou En's early success against the Ou Sen Army, recalled his own experience with facing him. See ch 211:

Spoiler

Rinko being given the most important missions by Renpa is as credible as Kyouen fighting him in the past.

I think it's very obvious the 4HK were each designed to possess different skill sets and suitability.

Common sense and context suggests there is no reason Rin Ko was given the missions he was beyond the fact he excelled at them.

Regardless od this, I don't believe Kyouen's hype is superior to Rinko. We have no context or circumstances of his battles with Renpa and we know for a fact that his state fell in the end. With Rinko we at least have a concrete feat of him breaking Ouki's formation and leaving a scar.

We don't have a lot of specific context on Kyou En's clashes with Ren Pa, correct, but here's what we do know about Kyou En:

• fought multiple battles with Ren Pa and lived
• faced 4 out of 6 original 6GGs and lived
• was winning the early battle with Ou Sen in the open, another 6GG equivalent hyped by Ou Ki, and Ren Pa wasn't phased by it

To me, the only argument Rin Ko has is perhaps a superiority in arms. If we are to go off the information we have of each as generals, Kyou En stands apart from other vassals, like Tou and Gyou'un.

Now that I think about it, Renpa had very little feith in Kyouen's ability to stop Ousen. Which is strange for someone who apparently matched him in the past.

The "in this situation" and "a full strength army" are the kind of qualifiers that do the heavy lifting for my rebuttal.

From the panels I provided, we already know Kyou En proved capable of handling Ou Sen in at least a battle on evenish terms (even though he was mostly commanding unfamiliar Wei troops, but I won't go there now).

The situation Ren Pa was referring to was one in which the momentum had fully shifted to Qin's side after Kan Ki took out Haku Ki Sai, the popular figurehead of the Wei army, thereby making organising the armies of Wei in time extremely difficult, even without Ou Sen still in the cut with a fresh army to lead the charge.

Ren Pa exercised caution rather than staking everything on Kyou En's ability to be able to withhold a fresh Ou Sen Army leading the charge for Qin. That's a reflection of his judgment, not a reflection on Kyou En.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

This is why I think scaling the Heavenly Kings is pointless. The Ten Heroes can be scaled sure but all of the Heavenly Kings were given their own unique and distinct hype above the rest.

Genpou was said to be capable of leading the entire Zhao military. By implication, none of the other Heavenly Kings are capable of this. Why are the rest of them above Genpou if this only applies to him?

Kyou En had personally fought against 5 top tier GG and did well against all of them. We can assume the others cannot boast this. If the others are better than Kyou En, why is he the only one who can boast this.

Kaishibou was the leader of the Heavenly Kings. If the others are above him, why is he the leader?

Rinko took on the most dangerous missions. If the others are above him, why didn’t Renpa or Genpou send the others on the most dangerous missions instead?

Each of them has a case to be made for them being hyped above the others, while none of them were actually portrayed to be the most significant threat in Sanyou, aside from Rinko but that was because he was a direct opponent for Shin himself. Scaling them is just pointless.

That said, I really don’t see how you can argue any of the rest above Kaishibou when he was explicitly their leader lol.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Rinko's craziest feat: landing a singular blow on Ouki.

Kyou'En's craziest feats: Fighting battles against half a dozen Qin 6 caliber commanders, and surviving.

wonder who's the superior commander

 

[Cichy]

Rinko's craziest feat: landing a singular blow on Ouki.

Kyou'En's craziest feats: Fighting battles against half a dozen Qin 6 caliber commanders, and surviving.

wonder who's the superior commander

Pretty much all of HK fought against Qin Six under Renpa and survived. Same can be said about Gyou'un and Chougaryuu.

 

[Rumble]

Pretty much all of HK fought against Qin Six under Renpa and survived. Same can be said about Gyou'un and Chougaryuu.

Kyou En is not like the other HKs though. He's the only one to have known Ren Pa as an enemy.

And Ren Pa wouldn't have had to ask Kyou En the question if he didn't know/have reason to believe Kyou En had experiences facing the 6GG prior to joining him.

Which only makes sense if you consider the likelihood of Qin and Zhao competing for territory.