Questions & Mysteries Rayleigh really did spare Kizaru's life lol
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That's pretty damn crazy ngl but I would love to see your takes.
Debate me Zoro vs any Admiral after my debate with @Philosoraptor is over.
For me Gorosei > Zoro > Luffy > Kizaru.
Zoro wins around mid diff against Luffy and Kizaru (If he has awakening)
Debate me Zoro vs any Admiral after my debate with @Philosoraptor is over.
For me Gorosei > Zoro > Luffy > Kizaru.
Zoro wins around mid diff against Luffy and Kizaru (If he has awakening)
Fuji you seriously fail to understand my takes are based on logic and events of manga not favoritism. I am not saying Zoro > Luffy because I like Zoro more but because to suggest otherwise means I am being dishonest and denying what I see in front of me. I like Kizaru hell of a lot more than Luffy (At least for the most part, cuz currently Kizaru is straight up ass) but I still can't deny Luffy has looked stronger).
Gorosei as basically Kaido on steriods.
They have Kaido level DF + Awakening + Immortality + Island Level CoC.
All of them are individually Pirate King level with Gandhi who also potentially has a Black Blade and Mihawk level swordsmanship probably mid diffs Gol D Roger.
But to try to wank Kizaru as strongest guy in egg-head which probably Kizaru himself would laugh at is nothing but blind fanboyism and straight up delusion (probably trolling) from @Lee Ba Shou
Gorosei as basically Kaido on steriods.
They have Kaido level DF + Awakening + Immortality + Island Level CoC.
All of them are individually Pirate King level with Gandhi who also potentially has a Black Blade and Mihawk level swordsmanship probably mid diffs Gol D Roger.
But to try to wank Kizaru as strongest guy in egg-head which probably Kizaru himself would laugh at is nothing but blind fanboyism and straight up delusion (probably trolling) from @Lee Ba Shou
Im just poking fun at you brother, I stopped caring about powerscaling altogether. I do think that narratively Zoro should be weaker then Luffy because this is a Shounen and Luffy is the main character, and the main character usually ends up the strongest and is the strongest of his clique usually. Like Goku is stronger then Vegeta for instance, Yusuke is stronger then Hiei,etc. Also Zoro is subbordinate to Luffy. And did that that If Luffy was weaker then him that he wouldnt accept him as captain.
Its just the narrative that I follow. And its like almost a 5% chance or lower that Zoro will end up stronger then Odas golden goose. I think that you going against the grain of what is usually expected in Shounen is admirable though. This demonstrate strength of character and thats really cool :P
Anyways, take it easy bro.
Its just the narrative that I follow. And its like almost a 5% chance or lower that Zoro will end up stronger then Odas golden goose. I think that you going against the grain of what is usually expected in Shounen is admirable though. This demonstrate strength of character and thats really cool :P
Anyways, take it easy bro.
Not every fiction is same tho. Sasuke isn't weaker than Naruto for the most part. Vegeta's character is that he's the rival with insecurity and always tries to catch up to Goku. Zoro never showed insecurity towards Luffy's strength nor did he accept Luffy as stronger.
That "He won't accept Luffy as captain" goes against both Luffy and Zoro's statements, words of editors and Oda himself.
Okay now I am 100% convinced you are a troll and one that has fallen so hard.
Admiral fans at this point seem as sad and pathetic as Sanji fans.
I mean when you have to wank a literal pussy ass bitch who turned into a Pizza after getting one shot by a character who got pushed to extreme diff by Lucci, that's all you can do.
I was being very nice to you by inviting you to Zoro vs Kizaru debate, he turns Kizaru into a corpse after blitzing him same way he did to his equal (or superior) Lucci.
That "He won't accept Luffy as captain" goes against both Luffy and Zoro's statements, words of editors and Oda himself.
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Okay now I am 100% convinced you are a troll and one that has fallen so hard.
Admiral fans at this point seem as sad and pathetic as Sanji fans.
I mean when you have to wank a literal pussy ass bitch who turned into a Pizza after getting one shot by a character who got pushed to extreme diff by Lucci, that's all you can do.
I was being very nice to you by inviting you to Zoro vs Kizaru debate, he turns Kizaru into a corpse after blitzing him same way he did to his equal (or superior) Lucci.
I really shouldnt do this but I have seen your logic when it comes to scaling Luffy vs Lucci and I think you should revise it because you arent being objective in my humble opinion when discussing that topic. I seem to recall you saying Luffy went all out when he didnt, that he was bloodlusted when he wasnt. He didnt even used advanced hakis like Zoro and was playing around and not going for the kill like Zoro was so of course the results would be different in that Luffy made Lucci question how huge Luffys power was when Luffy wasnt giving it his all vs Zoro who did an impressive amount of damage against Lucci.
I think they are relatively similar. I think story wise Zoro is going the Rayleigh to Luffys Roger AkA someone who is close to him in power but not equal or stronger.
At the end of the day story wise Luffy is destined to fight Imu right.
I think they are relatively similar. I think story wise Zoro is going the Rayleigh to Luffys Roger AkA someone who is close to him in power but not equal or stronger.
At the end of the day story wise Luffy is destined to fight Imu right.
I'll make a thread about this all but saying Luffy came out looking even remotely better than Zoro in their respective fights is something I can't agree with.
I think while Luffy is in Nika mode, he can put up a fight against Zoro as long as he plays defensive (but even then he can get blitzed as Zoro is faster) but as soon as Nika mode is off, Luffy is as good as dead. @Lee Ba Shou
I think while Luffy is in Nika mode, he can put up a fight against Zoro as long as he plays defensive (but even then he can get blitzed as Zoro is faster) but as soon as Nika mode is off, Luffy is as good as dead. @Lee Ba Shou
Yeah of course but almost every shounen has the MC end up the strongest. Thats an ironclad rule. As for Sasuke vs Naruto yes you have a point but those two always had a rivalry relationship whereas Zoro isnt Luffys rival. And even then they were equal. So you can try and push Zoro and Luffys equal if you want but if you put yourself inside Odas mind. Do you really think he will have Luffy be weaker then his subbordinate? The same Oda who is a huge fan of Dragon Ball and modelled Luffy after Goku? I feel like narratively that cannot happen. I think the mot you can push for is equal and I think thats fine imo even though the existence of Imu puts a wrench in that.
Oh man, Im almot back to my old habbit of powerscaling here lmao. Im going to stop now.
I just think that narratively Oda will never portray Luffy as weaker then one his crewmates and I think that deep down you agree with me :P.
Oh man, Im almot back to my old habbit of powerscaling here lmao. Im going to stop now.
I just think that narratively Oda will never portray Luffy as weaker then one his crewmates and I think that deep down you agree with me :P.
Well we don't exactly know whati s going on in Oda's mind but I only power scale based on feats and feat wise Zoro is doing better than Luffy right now. Maybe EoS he will make up for the gap and be Zoro's equal but right now fight is looking one sided.
Oda had same Luffy's subordinate and luffy wonder who is stronger between them and fight them equally when Luffy was blood lusted while Zoro was holding back.
Oh look Fuu Fuu Pizza merchant Kizaru is tired and panting too on top of nearly dying
Oda had same Luffy's subordinate and luffy wonder who is stronger between them and fight them equally when Luffy was blood lusted while Zoro was holding back.
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Oh look Fuu Fuu Pizza merchant Kizaru is tired and panting too on top of nearly dying