Versus Battle Real life Pirate Captains vs Real life Samurai
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ZKKclown Lenox started to cry again after I debunked the guy that he was licking his boots, don't cry bitch, it happens when you don't have the brain to argue and the guy you are relying is getting debunked badly
by me.
by me.
You already provided sources that made hard distinctions between pirates and privateers. Tis not my fault that you didn't bother to read your own sources.
Besides, Barbarossa was initially a privateer before flat out becoming a naval officer, first for the Regency of Algiers and then for the Ottoman Empire. He was primarily a naval officer throughout his career. The bloke in that video is using the term "pirate" incredibly loosely, with the majority of the video dedicated to Barbarossa's feats as an Ottoman naval officer.
The bloke is so loose with the term "pirate" that he refers to Teuta as the "Pirate Queen" in the title of his video covering her when in reality she was queen regent of the Ardiaei tribe of Illyria and encouraged her nation's naval forces to conduct maritime raids on merchant ships. He even acknowledges at 11:09 that "Teuta has often been called the Pirate Queen although she wasn't actually a pirate herself".
Since I know you are a crybaby and also lying when you got butthurt, I specifically said Pirate Redbeard was fighting in the front lines vs the best Spanish soldiers of his time, even that after some time he was injured in one of the close quarter battles vs the Spain Navy. But hey, if you gonna cry now I won't stop you.
Again, should I remind you the quote that made you cry?
''Pirate captain was chosen based on his abilities as a fighter, sailor and leader.''
I guess the Pirate Redbeard wasn't chosen as captain based on his ability as a fighter while fighting the Navy because it would debunk your previous claims?
Again, should I remind you the quote that made you cry?
''Pirate captain was chosen based on his abilities as a fighter, sailor and leader.''
I guess the Pirate Redbeard wasn't chosen as captain based on his ability as a fighter while fighting the Navy because it would debunk your previous claims?
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...s-real-life-samurai.55910/page-3#post-5393479
"Fighter" is one of three metrics for a pirate captain in that quote. In your own words, "Fighter" in the context of pirate captains includes numerous metrics unrelated to 1v1 combat such as leadership skills and tactical ability. So using your own logic, at best the duelling ability of a pirate captain makes up a third of a third of a metric.
And you made said pirate captain go up against actual dedicated duellists for your 1v1 scenario in your opening post.
The whole "fighter" quote is pretty much redundant for this 1v1 scenario now that you yourself have flat out stated that it doesn't translate to duelling ability.
However you can't prove why Redbeard should be the exception to this;
''Pirate captain was chosen based on his abilities as a fighter, sailor and leader.''
You asked me who else besides Blackbeard is a proven fighter who fought against the Navy soldiers, then you started to give example from exceptions and from the weaker ones. The thread as you can see from the poll, its about ''strongest ones''
I give example from Redbeard, you cried about imaginary rules of this thread and Redbeard not being pirate when I also proved he is.
Instead of admitting you were wrong, you made excuses and then throw away some other pirate names there who are obviously not amongst the ''strongest ones'' group as its stated in the poll. Nice, keep crying.
Dumbass clowns: asking for another proven Pirate other than Blackbeard who was able to beat the Navy soldiers, I provided the name of that other Pirate then they proceed to make excuses and lie about it that he is not a pirate.
''Pirate captain was chosen based on his abilities as a fighter, sailor and leader.''
You asked me who else besides Blackbeard is a proven fighter who fought against the Navy soldiers, then you started to give example from exceptions and from the weaker ones. The thread as you can see from the poll, its about ''strongest ones''
I give example from Redbeard, you cried about imaginary rules of this thread and Redbeard not being pirate when I also proved he is.
Instead of admitting you were wrong, you made excuses and then throw away some other pirate names there who are obviously not amongst the ''strongest ones'' group as its stated in the poll. Nice, keep crying.
Dumbass clowns: asking for another proven Pirate other than Blackbeard who was able to beat the Navy soldiers, I provided the name of that other Pirate then they proceed to make excuses and lie about it that he is not a pirate.
I asked for a duellist.
Specifically no privateers or buccaneers since your own sources made hard distinctions between them and pirates. I also specifically said pirate captain duellists between 1715-1725 A.D. since we were using Colin Woodard as a source but I'll address your sudden chronological swing next.
"According to the book sources, any buccaneers and privateers don't count. So what other supposedly amazing pirate duellists do we have from the year of our lord 1715-1725 A.D. when your Black Sails TV show is set?"
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...s-real-life-samurai.55910/page-3#post-5393856
LMAO, when exactly I said the thread is limited with ''criminals pirate and golden age of piracy''?
I never said its limited.
This is a clown behaviour for sure, acting like if I said there is a time period limit for this thread just because you got debunked.
But I understand you are desperate now so you lie again.
I never said its limited.
This is a clown behaviour for sure, acting like if I said there is a time period limit for this thread just because you got debunked.
But I understand you are desperate now so you lie again.
Do you see any time era limit to the ''strongest fighters from pirate captains'' in this thread?
This clown suddenly start complaining about the ''imaginary rules'' of this thread after getting destroyed
Show me when exactly I said you can only use pirate captains from a specific time like 1700s?
This clown suddenly start complaining about the ''imaginary rules'' of this thread after getting destroyed
Show me when exactly I said you can only use pirate captains from a specific time like 1700s?
As for the time period, it was clear from the beginning between your worship of Blackbeard, your promotion of the TV show Black Sails, the video about the Life of a Pirate Captain and the sources you were stanning that the entire discussion was geared towards the Golden Age of Piracy. The only time period that you previously mentioned to justify why pirate captains should be considered stronger than samurai in a duel was the Golden Age of Piracy.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ains-vs-real-life-samurai.55910/#post-5351812
Now you are suddenly saying "Well actually it was any time period!!!"? This is less changing the goalposts by this point and more like changing the sporting event in question entirely.
Alright then. Going by this new "no time period limit" criteria then the strongest pirate from all time periods isn't going to be Blackbeard or Barbarossa or anybody else from centuries past. The strongest pirate is just going to be the average Somalian Pirate with a modern firearm, isn't it?
Just give old "Afweyne" Mohamed Abdi Hassan a 21st century pistol (your opening only said "pistols advantage". No time era limit bro.
) and he simultaneously sweeps all the famous pirate captain "fighters" from the past, doesn't he? Why did you waste so much time on hyping up "Bastard Progeny" Teach if it supposedly wasn't time period limited whatsoever? The absolute sheer muppetry.
Why did you cut the quote where I 'embarrassed' you? 
Seeing there are clowns like you who cares about 'likes' just makes me laugh.
It looks like you still can't read;
''Owl: ''Pirates are essentially naval thugs that are much more interested in intimidating submissive merchants into parting with their cargo than in actually fighting.''
- I specifically said 'Pirate Captains' to avoid this type of Pirates generalization, and reinforced my claim by showing the most realistic Pirate TV show (no fiction supernatural stuff in that show) which states Pirate Captains are usually the strongest fighters amongst the pirate crews.
Owl: ''No it means nothing, thats just Holywood bullshit''
- Ok fine, then I showed another source (not a TV show) this time, that states ''Pirates Captains are chosen based on their ability as a fighter, sailor and leader'' and as well as I give example from Pirate Captain Edward Teach's superior combat portrayal vs the trained Navy Lieutenant in 1 v 1 combat.
*Debunked no.1
Owl: Makes tons of excuses, still slanders with as if I said fighting power only means 1 v 1 duel, then uses exception examples amongst the pirate captains, then lowballs the trained Navy Lieutenant and Navy soldiers, and then asks me what is the another example Pirate Captain other than Edward Teach, acts like there isn't any.
- I give example from Pirate Captain Barbarossa Redbeard, who was known for his many battles vs the Spanish Navy and Spanish Knights.
Owl: makes excuses again as if I said you can only use Pirates from a certain time period, then claims that Redbeard isn't a Pirate.
- I debunked that shit again by proving Redbeard was called Pirate many times and even called ''King of Pirates'' in different sources.
*Debunked 2nd time.''
Seeing there are clowns like you who cares about 'likes' just makes me laugh.It looks like you still can't read;
''Owl: ''Pirates are essentially naval thugs that are much more interested in intimidating submissive merchants into parting with their cargo than in actually fighting.''
- I specifically said 'Pirate Captains' to avoid this type of Pirates generalization, and reinforced my claim by showing the most realistic Pirate TV show (no fiction supernatural stuff in that show) which states Pirate Captains are usually the strongest fighters amongst the pirate crews.
Owl: ''No it means nothing, thats just Holywood bullshit''
- Ok fine, then I showed another source (not a TV show) this time, that states ''Pirates Captains are chosen based on their ability as a fighter, sailor and leader'' and as well as I give example from Pirate Captain Edward Teach's superior combat portrayal vs the trained Navy Lieutenant in 1 v 1 combat.
*Debunked no.1
Owl: Makes tons of excuses, still slanders with as if I said fighting power only means 1 v 1 duel, then uses exception examples amongst the pirate captains, then lowballs the trained Navy Lieutenant and Navy soldiers, and then asks me what is the another example Pirate Captain other than Edward Teach, acts like there isn't any.
- I give example from Pirate Captain Barbarossa Redbeard, who was known for his many battles vs the Spanish Navy and Spanish Knights.
Owl: makes excuses again as if I said you can only use Pirates from a certain time period, then claims that Redbeard isn't a Pirate.
- I debunked that shit again by proving Redbeard was called Pirate many times and even called ''King of Pirates'' in different sources.
*Debunked 2nd time.''
By this point, it is just amusing to see how badly he is going to tie himself into knots. The novelty will eventually wear off and I'll get bored before moving onto something else.
It almost feels like I should bake him a cake with icing that reads out "Thanks for proving me right!".
I have never seen anybody screw themselves over so hard with their own sources before.
It almost feels like I should bake him a cake with icing that reads out "Thanks for proving me right!".
I have never seen anybody screw themselves over so hard with their own sources before.
It looks like you still can't read;
''Owl: ''Pirates are essentially naval thugs that are much more interested in intimidating submissive merchants into parting with their cargo than in actually fighting.''
- I specifically said 'Pirate Captains' to avoid this type of Pirates generalization, and reinforced my claim by showing the most realistic Pirate TV show (no fiction supernatural stuff in that show) which states Pirate Captains are usually the strongest fighters amongst the pirate crews.
Owl: ''No it means nothing, thats just Holywood bullshit''
- Ok fine, then I showed another source (not a TV show) this time, that states ''Pirates Captains are chosen based on their ability as a fighter, sailor and leader'' and as well as I give example from Pirate Captain Edward Teach's superior combat portrayal vs the trained Navy Lieutenant in 1 v 1 combat.
*Debunked no.1
Owl: Makes tons of excuses, still slanders with as if I said fighting power only means 1 v 1 duel, then uses exception examples amongst the pirate captains, then lowballs the trained Navy Lieutenant and Navy soldiers, and then asks me what is the another example Pirate Captain other than Edward Teach, acts like there isn't any.
- I give example from Pirate Captain Barbarossa Redbeard, who was known for his many battles vs the Spanish Navy and Spanish Knights.
Owl: makes excuses again as if I said you can only use Pirates from a certain time period, then claims that Redbeard isn't a Pirate.
- I debunked that shit again by proving Redbeard was called Pirate many times and even called ''King of Pirates'' in different sources.
*Debunked 2nd time.''
''Owl: ''Pirates are essentially naval thugs that are much more interested in intimidating submissive merchants into parting with their cargo than in actually fighting.''
- I specifically said 'Pirate Captains' to avoid this type of Pirates generalization, and reinforced my claim by showing the most realistic Pirate TV show (no fiction supernatural stuff in that show) which states Pirate Captains are usually the strongest fighters amongst the pirate crews.
Owl: ''No it means nothing, thats just Holywood bullshit''
- Ok fine, then I showed another source (not a TV show) this time, that states ''Pirates Captains are chosen based on their ability as a fighter, sailor and leader'' and as well as I give example from Pirate Captain Edward Teach's superior combat portrayal vs the trained Navy Lieutenant in 1 v 1 combat.
*Debunked no.1
Owl: Makes tons of excuses, still slanders with as if I said fighting power only means 1 v 1 duel, then uses exception examples amongst the pirate captains, then lowballs the trained Navy Lieutenant and Navy soldiers, and then asks me what is the another example Pirate Captain other than Edward Teach, acts like there isn't any.
- I give example from Pirate Captain Barbarossa Redbeard, who was known for his many battles vs the Spanish Navy and Spanish Knights.
Owl: makes excuses again as if I said you can only use Pirates from a certain time period, then claims that Redbeard isn't a Pirate.
- I debunked that shit again by proving Redbeard was called Pirate many times and even called ''King of Pirates'' in different sources.
*Debunked 2nd time.''
Sure if you wanna specify only Pirate Captains, but factually some of tha most famous pirates(Barbarossa, Tueta) were privateers and government sanctioned sailors. So what’s tha argument there? That government trained and sanctioned pirates were good fighters? They fuxkin better be. Hell at that point are they even really pirates if they served/serve under tha government!?
Jus cause it’s no superpowers in tha show does mean it’s some 1:1 retelling of stories and tha lives of pirates from back then lol
But in your own statement, you claimed that being a fighter isn’t tha only requirement for a captain and that it wasn’t strictly a 1v1 thing. So why would you put someone who’s 1v1 abilities aren’t their biggest and most important skill against someone who’s entire life revolves around fighting and has been trained in it since damn near birth? That makes no sense
You gave a singular example of that. And I’m not even currently inclined to actually search through and look up tha details of that encounter. Conversely, @Owl Ki gave you multiple examples of exceptional samurai, who were exceptional for their combat
So you’re putting someone who you’ve admitted yourself that their fighting power isn’t only bout 1v1. Inna 1v1 match against someone who’s specialty is 1v1 and is born and bread for combat…..
Regarding Barbarossa fuxkery