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[Constantine]

Zoro didn't say he wants to cut Kaido. He said he will do it.

If you believe shitji can do something only because he said so, you should also respect Zoro's words the same way.

Cutting Kaido is a way bigger feat than hurting Black Maria

 

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Cutting Kaido is a way bigger feat than hurting Black Maria

You don't say

 

[Finalbeta]

Honestly I don't see all this hype for Black Maria's durability... she will get defeated by Brook and Robin so her durability should not be that great complexively unless perhaps Robin will display her CoA haki and step up her AP game.

 

[Constantine]

You don't say

So Zoro needs something to back it up.
You cant go from fighting Pica to killing Kaido

 

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So Zoro needs something to back it up.
You cant go from fighting Pica to killing Kaido

Sanji can't go from not having CoA to hurting someone with it

 

[Finalbeta]

So Zoro needs something to back it up.
You cant go from fighting Pica to killing Kaido

In fact the Grandmaster already took several steps in between.

 

[BleakAsh]

The problem here is, is it Black Maria using Armament Haki to punch Sanji using Armament Haki, or Black Maria just punching Sanji with her normal fist while he's using Armament Haki.

you know when a choice is arbitrary but someone uses their bias to pick one or the another... its annoying af and even more when no one calls out for it being ambivalent choice (that its can be one or another there aren't conditionally applicable) and not calling out the bias of who chooses one over the another..

you cannot know if one is using arnament (invisible) without themcalling it out ... so its a throw up and you honestly cannot say that they aren't because it wasn't mentioned coz we know sanji uses it frequently without calling it out .

the best resolution to this ambivalence is either assuming that the fighters who use haki are consistently using arnamnet in their fights util the call out for not using it or they aren't until they mention it , becasue claiming that one fighter is and the other isnt' is obviously a subjective take on the match .


this resolves many problems with sanji's experiences with vergo and doffy but now lets discuss some of maria.
Maria is someone who called out an all star for underestimating her greatly..so its very safe to assume that she knows haki especially in the NW but that doesn't mean she was using haki against sanji (who wasn't using haki from his words).. so if we assume that Maria wasn't using arnmanet but the fact that she stood up to someone higher in power for underestimating her... you should preemptively assume that her strength is formidable . But there is a problem with going this route is that its highly inconsistent and cannot be applied to other circumstance since we know Sanji is consistently using arnament without calling it out..luffy vs Doffy and sanji vs Doffy as well etc etc ... so choosing this route of haki users only calling out when using haki will provide discrepancies with haki in onepiece..


so its honestly very safe to assume that when 2 haki users are fighting eachother they use haki often... this will rid the bias aspect of claiming who uses haki and who wasn't and will surely be consistent and applicable to most if not every situation..


so its honestly safe to assume that Maria was using haki.. even if for the sake of the argument we assume she wasn't that still doesn't take away from her strength

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Read carefully, you quoted the wrong person. But since it was mentioned, that shitty substitute for hardening is indeed sus.

Sanji was explicitly mentioned to have CoA so the comparison also doesn't check out. It's just that his armament doesn't compare to Zoro, Luffy, or Jinbe. Quote me again when he actually hurts shit with his defense

My guy, that's why DJ are for. It's basically a substitution for CoA unless Sanji needed CoA for blocking or defense.

Doesn't the same thing apply to you tho?
Sanji: "If I use CoA I might hurt her."
Sanji stans: "On god, facts. Everyone knew it."
Zoro: "I am going to cut Kaido into pieces."
Also Sanji stans: "Drop the cap, not going to happen."
Isn't that some kind of... hypocrisy?

The things is that Zoro did cut Kaido, just not the way Zoro wanted. And if Sanji can't hurt her with CoA, why would he said it in the first place?

 

[Fn Lucci]

My guy, that's why DJ are for. It's basically a substitution for CoA unless Sanji needed CoA for blocking or defense.

The things is that Zoro did cut Kaido, just not the way Zoro wanted. And if Sanji can't hurt her with CoA, why would he said it in the first place?

I think he's referring to people who said Zoro wouldn't be touching Kaido. And then went on to say Zoro is done fighting after Hakai, then after cutting Kaido some more.

And DJ is not a CoA substitute. Doflamingo turned that shit right off

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I think he's referring to people who said Zoro wouldn't be touching Kaido. And then went on to say Zoro is done fighting after Hakai, then after cutting Kaido some more.

Screw them. Zoro vs Kaido is inevitable the moment Zoro received Enma.

And DJ is not a CoA substitute. Doflamingo turned that shit right off

Sanji uses DJ for offensive. He can't blocked attacks with DJ. That's where Haki coming in. And Doffy got hurt by DJ so he uses Parasite to stop Sanji midair.

 

[Finalbeta]

Screw them. Zoro vs Kaido is inevitable the moment Zoro received Enma.

Sanji uses DJ for offensive. He can't blocked attacks with DJ. That's where Haki coming in. And Doffy got hurt by DJ so he uses Parasite to stop Sanji midair.

Can't DJ be used defensively as well? It still produces additional energy which can come handy to counter an offence.

 

[BleakAsh]

Can't DJ be used defensively as well? It still produces additional energy which can come handy to counter an offence.

Ya know bro, DJ idk according to BDA law its common consensus that the flames of the technique are haki.. if that the case then sanji would have to learn Acoa defensive level to really turn it into a defensive more..
DK already penetrates armour and skin...but i wouldn't call it Acoa penetration haki...

DJ is just another mystery honestly

 

[Finalbeta]

Ya know bro, DJ idk according to BDA law its common consensus that the flames of the technique are haki.. if that the case then sanji would have to learn Acoa defensive level to really turn it into a defensive more..
DK already penetrates armour and skin...but i wouldn't call it Acoa penetration haki...

DJ is just another mystery honestly

I see. I find the premise hard to believe as the likely option as there's no substantial evidence for it. And even if it was the case, the thermal energy generated would still be there this is why I don't find it likely. It should work defensively unless Oda portrayed things that strangely that he had no thermal energy at his disposal.

 

[Dark Admiral]

Sanji's CoA gets too much downplay just cause he doesn't show it often.

 

[BleakAsh]

I see. I find the premise hard to believe as the likely option as there's no substantial evidence for it. And even if it was the case, the thermal energy generated would still be there this is why I don't find it likely. It should work defensively unless Oda portrayed things that strangely that he had no thermal energy at his disposal.

i mean its fire lol, but imagine if he gets his leg soo hot that it becomes plasma... which then in turn does internal damage..


and if haki is FIRES of DJ.. then i don't think it would make sense

its like saying when sanji get pissed he adds more haki to his flame to intensify it... but we know that emotions are a cause..

no evidence to anything here.. haki itself has alot of holes in it

 

[Finalbeta]

i mean its fire lol, but imagine if he gets his leg soo hot that it becomes plasma... which then in turn does internal damage..


and if haki is FIRES of DJ.. then i don't think it would make sense

its like saying when sanji get pissed he adds more haki to his flame to intensify it... but we know that emotions are a cause..

no evidence to anything here.. haki itself has alot of holes in it

I don't think that will likely happen unless not in the sense Sanji will turn into a Papazuki of some sort.

But yes it's possible that his flames will turn hotter in the future.

 

[BleakAsh]

I don't think that will likely happen unless not in the sense Sanji will turn into a Papazuki of some sort.

But yes it's possible that his flames will turn hotter in the future.

EOS sanji is basically Papazuki but hotter lol *wink*