There's really only 1 thing that gives any credence to Gyou'un being above Renpa, and that the whole "Face of Zhao's Martial might" or w.e that shit was. But for me that's simply referring to him being somebody who was one of the strong fighter during those days. Since for me back in the Zhao invasion his martial portrayal was inferior to the man they call the Demon of Ganmon. But leaving that aside, let's get into this Renpa situation.
1st. Gyou'un's "equal" or proper match up is not Renpa himself, but Renpa's underling Kashibou. Kashibou while having strength of arms on par with Renpa himself, is not Renpa's equal when it comes to full out combat.
So before you even actually get to Renpa, you gotta prove why he's superior to Kashibou. Which really nobody can. Because as far as Zhao is concerned Kashibou & Renpa have always been used as the measuring stick to somebody's martial might.
So now you might be asking, "Now hold up Xione, if Kashibou himself is on par or superior to Gyou'un, then how did Rinshoujou's army balance out Renpa? Since Renpa is on par with Rinshoujou in tactics & vastly superior in martial might" Well who said Renpa's army = Rinshoujou's army?? Not to mention, Renpa had 4 main underlings, Rinshoujou had 10. In fact the Rinshoujou army has no hype matching up to the Renpa army, that was able to hold up Ouki + Hakuki for 2 damn years. One can argue that Renpa probably had the strongest army of his time (other than the god of military ofc).
2nd. The overused Gaimou point. So the logic here is that Shin compared Gaimou to Renpa and then compared Gyou'un to Gaimou. So let's take a look at the statements.
Firstly, Shin compares the weight of the first blow from Gaimou to the blow he took from Renpa. Saying it's exactly the same. But understand this does not carry out to "equalship" in an all-out fight.
Notice here that unlike Gaimou where Shin says "it's exactly the same", he instead here says "Probably be against Gaimou". Meaning Gyou'un's swing is comparable to Gaimou, but not really the same. Now Shin acknowledges him as the "real deal" meaning he's a strong af of a fighter.
But what my esteemed Kingdom colleagues leave out here is that Gyou'un was compared to a guy who Ouki & Renpa openly looked down up in terms of dueling capabilities. Because in Kingdom simply having similar martial might doesn't guarantee one a W in a duel. And the reason for their looking down was simply.. Weight of a General.
Something in which Renpa is established as the highest in China right now, with Yotanwa, Tou, Riboku being close behind him (since these three have now entered that monsterous "S-rank experience" territory). And the only ones above him in China's history in general would be, Ouki, Hakuki, and ofc Gakuki. Ouki being the very image of what the MC views as "Great General of Heavens", Gakuki being the "Military God", Hakuki being the "Leader of Qin 6".
So Gyou'un's blow probably being on par with the guy who Renpa & Ouki viewed as their inferior, doesn't guarantee any superiority or equalship to Renpa. Instead, one can use this to say Gyou'un is inferior to Renpa just like Gaimou was. There is absolutely no panel in the manga that claims Gyou'un an underling to another Zhao General, has the same weight of general as the man who held up both Ouki & Hakuki at the same time. When my Kingdom colleagues can find such a panel, only then will this Gyou'un >= Renpa argument have any credibility.
On top of that, Gyou'un should first be established as Kashibou's superior, which he sadly has not been established as. And as I said earlier, Kashibou & Renpa are used as the measuring stick for Martial Might in Zhao, till this day... Not Gyou'un. In fact when Chougouryou (a friend of Gyou'un) was hyping up Bananji's martial might, finding somebody to compare it to, he didn't bring up Gyou'un, rather it's Kashibou & Renpa.
(Mind you Gyou'un's name was already introduced by this time. And this would've been the perfect way to put Gyou'un's name next to Renpa's, if Hara wanted to).
There's levels to this game. Gyou'un ain't on that level. As far as martial might is concerned regarding Zhao from the "golden era", I'd rate it Renpa > Kashibou > Gyou'un. Now ofc, we barely know anything about the other 3 great heavens' general who very well could've been a monster or have monsters under him too.
1st. Gyou'un's "equal" or proper match up is not Renpa himself, but Renpa's underling Kashibou. Kashibou while having strength of arms on par with Renpa himself, is not Renpa's equal when it comes to full out combat.
So before you even actually get to Renpa, you gotta prove why he's superior to Kashibou. Which really nobody can. Because as far as Zhao is concerned Kashibou & Renpa have always been used as the measuring stick to somebody's martial might.
So now you might be asking, "Now hold up Xione, if Kashibou himself is on par or superior to Gyou'un, then how did Rinshoujou's army balance out Renpa? Since Renpa is on par with Rinshoujou in tactics & vastly superior in martial might" Well who said Renpa's army = Rinshoujou's army?? Not to mention, Renpa had 4 main underlings, Rinshoujou had 10. In fact the Rinshoujou army has no hype matching up to the Renpa army, that was able to hold up Ouki + Hakuki for 2 damn years. One can argue that Renpa probably had the strongest army of his time (other than the god of military ofc).
2nd. The overused Gaimou point. So the logic here is that Shin compared Gaimou to Renpa and then compared Gyou'un to Gaimou. So let's take a look at the statements.
Firstly, Shin compares the weight of the first blow from Gaimou to the blow he took from Renpa. Saying it's exactly the same. But understand this does not carry out to "equalship" in an all-out fight.
Notice here that unlike Gaimou where Shin says "it's exactly the same", he instead here says "Probably be against Gaimou". Meaning Gyou'un's swing is comparable to Gaimou, but not really the same. Now Shin acknowledges him as the "real deal" meaning he's a strong af of a fighter.
But what my esteemed Kingdom colleagues leave out here is that Gyou'un was compared to a guy who Ouki & Renpa openly looked down up in terms of dueling capabilities. Because in Kingdom simply having similar martial might doesn't guarantee one a W in a duel. And the reason for their looking down was simply.. Weight of a General.
Something in which Renpa is established as the highest in China right now, with Yotanwa, Tou, Riboku being close behind him (since these three have now entered that monsterous "S-rank experience" territory). And the only ones above him in China's history in general would be, Ouki, Hakuki, and ofc Gakuki. Ouki being the very image of what the MC views as "Great General of Heavens", Gakuki being the "Military God", Hakuki being the "Leader of Qin 6".
So Gyou'un's blow probably being on par with the guy who Renpa & Ouki viewed as their inferior, doesn't guarantee any superiority or equalship to Renpa. Instead, one can use this to say Gyou'un is inferior to Renpa just like Gaimou was. There is absolutely no panel in the manga that claims Gyou'un an underling to another Zhao General, has the same weight of general as the man who held up both Ouki & Hakuki at the same time. When my Kingdom colleagues can find such a panel, only then will this Gyou'un >= Renpa argument have any credibility.
On top of that, Gyou'un should first be established as Kashibou's superior, which he sadly has not been established as. And as I said earlier, Kashibou & Renpa are used as the measuring stick for Martial Might in Zhao, till this day... Not Gyou'un. In fact when Chougouryou (a friend of Gyou'un) was hyping up Bananji's martial might, finding somebody to compare it to, he didn't bring up Gyou'un, rather it's Kashibou & Renpa.
There's levels to this game. Gyou'un ain't on that level. As far as martial might is concerned regarding Zhao from the "golden era", I'd rate it Renpa > Kashibou > Gyou'un. Now ofc, we barely know anything about the other 3 great heavens' general who very well could've been a monster or have monsters under him too.