General & Others Reservation/DEI/Quota/Affirmative Action Discussion

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

So in the light of recent events ( Protests in Bangladesh) and ofc me personally found out that all my females superiors at work is there because of DEI and affirmative actions




I feel like it's a well intentioned idea but it does more harm than Good



Many cases of people being more qualified not able to get the jobs due to the system.



It also imo amplify the discriminations


So what do you think about the system as whole? Have you been personally benefited from the quota systems?

Do you think it's really helpful for the capable people from oppressed communities to get more opportunities?

Intellectuals @Logiko @Mathias @TheAncientCenturion etc

 

[Roo]

Ya have serious issues when it comes to race and gender

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Ya have serious issues when it comes to race and gender

Hi


It's not solely a race and gender thing

 

[Peroroncino]

HARASHIMA locked achievements: ''Try to not talk about race for an entire minute'' Challenge level impossible.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

HARASHIMA locked achievements: ''Try to not talk about race for an entire minute'' Challenge level impossible.

False

 

[Mathias]

I also voted "abused" but it's only for rare cases aka art industry plants. But it's a tricky vote, because it's basically only taste (art) and minorities and women don't necessarily do bad stuff.


I used to be "against" all these kind of reforms and laws and whatnot. But ultimately I changed my mind due to how deeply flawed meritocracy was. I always reckoned its flaws but I figured that my problems were more linguistical problems than factual.

French people who identify as "republican" are usually against these laws and whatnot for many reasons. They believe in meritocracy while saying they don't, which doesn't make sense. They're also against them because "hey that's a 'murica thing !!!". And there is also this old 18th century thought about "universal republic" which doesn't make a difference between anyone no matter where they're from. Except that right-wingers have stolen this idea not to be more tolerant and inclusive, but in order to simply ignore the differences which isn't the point imo. These so-called republicans will call anyone who disagree with their objective almighty truth "communautarian" or whatever. It's French people being cringe at their finest. It's all about them clinging on some old thoughts from the 18th century and having insane anti-American nerves. It's also part of the "horseshoe theory". They think that "it's not better than racism" but their meritocratic not working doesn't seem to matter for them. There is also this "USA and France have different history" argument but fact is that France's history is also full of shit... They're ready to drown in a sinking ship of beliefs they know are false/not working.

It took me a lot of thinking to become in favor. From facing people telling me "meritocracy über alles or else it's political correctness" which was based on pure nothingness and ignorance. With people thinking that "in the US, the blacks are given doctor degrees because they're black" I figured that these clowns were mostly racist pricks or borderline idiots. There is not a place in the world where "minority dictatorship" exists nor are they where "people with absolutely no qualification are scientist just because of their skin-color".

Also fact that "woke" which is a cringe concept is the new "PC" had me thinking back from the 60s and deconstruct a lot of what I believed.

"Anti-PC" writers joining far-right activities also got me switch ideas. Some of them being intellectuals and/or teachers is sickening.

I believe political correctness merely exists. When it does, it's generational and linguistical issues like "we don't speak this way anymore" which has been a thing for thousands of years.


tl;dr: Meritocracy never existed and some French people arrogantly behave like the biggest cunts with their homemade so-called republicanism. Some of these mofos are even racists. And overall they know they're wrong but don't care about it. Woke and PC is a made-up thing by the far-right, it merely exists and when it does it's a only linguistical problem.


Now watch me get trolled as the traitor that I am by French "republicans"

 

[Logiko]

Yeah.. later gator

 

[RebelliousSoma]

It's typical vile commie culture. The west criticises North Korea of nepotism and then does this literal discrimination ...

 

[NAMELESS]

It literally lowers the quality of academic work. You give a diploma to a bunch of dumb losers and you get degeneration of the intellectual class.

 

[Mathias]

It's typical vile commie culture. The west criticises North Korea of nepotism and then does this literal discrimination ...

It literally lowers the quality of academic work. You give a diploma to a bunch of dumb losers and you get degeneration of the intellectual class.

How do you guys bring up the lower class to the middle class quicker than "let's see in 300 more years" ?

Or do you simply not care ?



Would you avoid a doctor if he's black because you'd believe he was given his diploma and he's part of the "degeneration of the intellectual class" ?

 

[NAMELESS]

How do you guys bring up the lower class to the middle class quicker than "let's see in 300 more years" ?

Or do you simply not care ?



Would you avoid a doctor if he's black because you'd believe he was given his diploma and he's part of the "degeneration of the intellectual class" ?

Dont tax the shit out of them and let them work in peace.

 

[Daniel]

If meritocracy didn't exist we would see a whole bunch of graduates from top universities fail to get jobs because a relative (usually a son or daughter) of a higher up official needs that position and he/she is pretty much guaranteed to get it because the dad/uncle and the company CEO are well...in cahoots and this type of relationship basically gets applied to every single employee that works in some sort of industry that is not a blue collar job.

This would also make job requirements and graduation from college/technical school/university null because why bother to study your ass off to graduate with a degree in the first place?

Meanwhile in China you get to see millions and millions of graduates who are lining up in job fairs or just slacking off, having given up on life because it became clear to them that hard work is meaningless.

 

[Logiko]

If meritocracy didn't exist we would see a whole bunch of graduates from top universities fail to get jobs because a relative (usually a son or daughter) of a higher up official needs that position and he/she is pretty much guaranteed to get it because the dad/uncle and the company CEO are well...in cahoots and this type of relationship basically gets applied to every single employee that works in some sort of industry that is not a blue collar job.

This would also make job requirements and graduation from college/technical school/university null because why bother to study your ass off to graduate with a degree in the first place?

That's a fallacious reasonning. You are explaining what would happen in reality if there was no meritocracy, but reality works differently.

In reality, without the BELIEF in meritocracy, we would live in the world without inequalities. Why ? Because this belief is the acceptation of those inequalities.

But to understand that, you first need to understand why meritocracy is a myth. And for that -> Leftist Library

Here is the video you need to watch to understand a basic principles of sociology that is "the capitals" and why they contradicts the existence of meritocracy :

So in the light of recent events ( Protests in Bangladesh) and ofc me personally found out that all my females superiors at work is there because of DEI and affirmative actions




I feel like it's a well intentioned idea but it does more harm than Good



Many cases of people being more qualified not able to get the jobs due to the system.



It also imo amplify the discriminations


So what do you think about the system as whole? Have you been personally benefited from the quota systems?

Do you think it's really helpful for the capable people from oppressed communities to get more opportunities?

It does not amplify discriminations. This is a process of EQUITY

Without this, some people couldn't get the access to those post because of the inequalities and oppressions occuring in the REAL world.

You will never be cheated because people have access to social services.

Let's stop this reactionnary rethoric please.

Ya have serious issues when it comes to race and gender

That's may be because you don't have a social situation where you feel the walls because of those parameters. In reality, a lot of people do.

The west criticises North Korea of nepotism and then does this literal discrimination ...

Nepotism is literally a common thing in the upper classes in liberal and capitalist countries mate. Educate yourself.

It literally lowers the quality of academic work. You give a diploma to a bunch of dumb losers and you get degeneration of the intellectual class.

Common far rightist ignorant and inhuman take : People who have less priviledges in term of accession to social structures are "a bunch of dumb losers" who create a "degeneration".

Nameless trying to be the most despicable human being challenge..

 

[RebelliousSoma]

It literally lowers the quality of academic work. You give a diploma to a bunch of dumb losers and you get degeneration of the intellectual class.

And also far worse administrative work force which will further ruin society in the long run.

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How do you guys bring up the lower class to the middle class quicker than "let's see in 300 more years" ?

Or do you simply not care ?



Would you avoid a doctor if he's black because you'd believe he was given his diploma and he's part of the "degeneration of the intellectual class" ?

You brought up race when actually quality of a doctor isn't based on their race, but on their own capabilities.

You talk as if there was no corruption anywhere apart from African countries. Keep up with your own the inclusivity speech.

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Nepotism is literally a common thing in the upper classes in liberal and capitalist countries mate. Educate yourself.

Educate yourself with some reading comprehension and don't project. Read again, nowhere does it say the west doesn't have nepotism.

Go on some intensive English courses immediately, your posts look worse by the day. How can your language skills deteriorate? People normally make improvements when they communicate.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

That's a fallacious reasonning. You are explaining what would happen in reality if there was no meritocracy, but reality works differently.

In reality, without the BELIEF in meritocracy, we would live in the world without inequalities. Why ? Because this belief is the acceptation of those inequalities.

But to understand that, you first need to understand why meritocracy is a myth. And for that -> Leftist Library

Here is the video you need to watch to understand a basic principles of sociology that is "the capitals" and why they contradicts the existence of meritocracy :

It does not amplify discriminations. This is a process of EQUITY

Without this, some people couldn't get the access to those post because of the inequalities and oppressions occuring in the REAL world.

You will never be cheated because people have access to social services.

Let's stop this reactionnary rethoric please.



That's may be because you don't have a social situation where you feel the walls because of those parameters. In reality, a lot of people do.

Nepotism is literally a common thing in the upper classes in liberal and capitalist countries mate. Educate yourself.



Common far rightist ignorant and inhuman take : People who have less priviledges in term of accession to social structures are "a bunch of dumb losers" who create a "degeneration".

Nameless trying to be the most despicable human being challenge..

It can amplify racism when you got robbed of job not because of lacking capabilities for the job but something that's beyond your control ( your community and Gender)

If meritocracy didn't exist we would see a whole bunch of graduates from top universities fail to get jobs because a relative (usually a son or daughter) of a higher up official needs that position and he/she is pretty much guaranteed to get it because the dad/uncle and the company CEO are well...in cahoots and this type of relationship basically gets applied to every single employee that works in some sort of industry that is not a blue collar job.

This would also make job requirements and graduation from college/technical school/university null because why bother to study your ass off to graduate with a degree in the first place?

Meanwhile in China you get to see millions and millions of graduates who are lining up in job fairs or just slacking off, having given up on life because it became clear to them that hard work is meaningless.

Indeed.

They system can easily abused by creating a framework of Nepotism

 

[Logiko]

It can amplify racism when you got robbed of job not because of lacking capabilities for the job but something that's beyond your control ( your community and Gender)

No it can't. And I don't think you get access to those post without a minimum of qualification.

They system can easily abused by creating a framework of Nepotism

Nepotism is the action by powerful group to facilitate the access to powerful position to memebers of their families. This has nothing to do with the subject.

Read again, nowhere does it say the west doesn't have nepotism.

In this case, don't try to exclude the problems of our societies by trying to compare a normal human and equitable system with the oppressive system of F. North Korea you genius.

Go on some intensive English courses immediately, your posts look worse by the day. How can your language skills deteriorate?

I checked this sentence with two correctors, no mistakes. So either there is something that I'm not aware of about English (and in this case I invite you to tell me instead of wasting everyone's time being a wannabe grammar Nazi), or find something new to attack me.

Sadly, language seems to be the only way for you to throw spears at me. So go ahead ! Give me everything you got ! Don't waste our time and correct my mistakes !

MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL IF YOU DARE !

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

No it can't. And I don't think you get access to those post without a minimum of qualification.

Minium Qualifications is fine

But what if you're more qualified but got rejected due to not being in certain communities and Gender?

Nepotism is the action by powerful group to facilitate the access to powerful position to memebers of their families. This has nothing to do with the subject.

It does.

Family members and their extended families and their relatives bribe the system to many jobs to their circle alone

 

[Logiko]

Minium Qualifications is fine

But what if you're more qualified but got rejected due to not being in certain communities and Gender?

You don't get rejected because people are benefiting of social aids. Usually there is already a certain number of places allocated to those specific cases (at least if the institution is smart). This means that you will never get the place of someone in that situation and they will never get yours.

Family members and their extended families and their relatives bribe the system to many jobs to their circle alone

In this case the problem in NOT the DEI system but the fact that people in power have the capacities to influence said system.

So, let's think 5 seconds about this problem. To stop people from abusing the system (if that's even possible, we I don't really think it is), must we:

- Deleted the system ?
or
- Try to make laws in order for powerful people not to abuse the system ?

You have 5 seconds.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

You don't get rejected because people are benefiting of social aids. Usually there is already a certain number of places allocated to those specific cases (at least if the institution is smart). This means that you will never get the place of someone in that situation and they will never get yours.

Not it's not how it works

In this case the problem in NOT the DEI system but the fact that people in power have the capacities to influence said system.

So, let's think 5 seconds about this problem. To stop people from abusing the system (if that's even possible, we I don't really think it is), must we:

- Deleted the system ?
or
- Try to make laws in order for powerful people not to abuse the system ?

You have 5 seconds.

We need to see bigger picture

Like I Said The system is well intentioned but harmful in the long term

System should only stay if it's good in the Long term .


At best it can empower few families from oppressed communities

As for Gender women from upper classes dominates the positions,


Even then if you implement anti nepotism laws, families could still argue they face discrimination despite being rich therefore eligible etc paving the way for perpetual victimhood

 

[Logiko]

Not it's not how it works

Then the system must be improved, but I really doubt that its not the case already.

We need to see bigger picture

Like I Said The system is well intentioned but harmful in the long term

System should only stay if it's good in the Long term .

This was really a simple question dude.... Why can't people reply to simple questions on this forum ?


You told me that the system was flawed because of a specific reason (which is an abuse of power) and now that I'm telling you that the best way to improve the situation is to stop people from abusing their power... you are trying to find new things...


If someone abuse a good system, then its the abuser that we must target, not the system.

At best it can empower few families from oppressed communities

As for Gender women from upper classes dominates the positions,

Sources ? (be sure to fact check them 3 or 4 times)

families could still argue they face discrimination despite being rich therefore

How ?



What discriminations ?