Controversial Riboku and Shibashou are the strongest duo in the history of Kingdom

[Cichy]

There is no leader of the new Qin 6.

There is. Moubu has the position of leader according to Guidebook 3.

It also goes in line with him being called the First Great in the manga.

We know Koushou had SHK

No we don't. This is headcanon and there is no proof SHK was a commander in his army.

Who do Rinshoujou and Renpa have

Rinshoujo literally had one of the most insane armies in history with 10 deputy generals including monsters such as Gyou'un and Chougaryuu.
Renpa had the Heavenly Kings which are elite deputies even by current standards.

Literally only 1 of the 6 Qin members army has been explored to a decent extent. While 2 of 3 Zhao 3 of that era we know the capabilities of their armies at their primes.

From this generation, RiShin will have a superior squad of underlings than anything Shibashou will have. With Hara's tendency to give Mouten and Ouhon army boosts that'd allow em to keep up with HSU to a certain extent, they likely will too.

I'm not saying it's a rule, but 3GH have better armies on average. And I mean both old and new generations. Riboku, Renpa, RSJ and Shibashou all got amazing groups of vassals under their command. Meanwhile armies of 6GG can greatly vary in quality.

We know that Ouki had the best army out of the old Q6, so that makes Hakuki's forces at the very least inferior to his.

Yes, but i'm saying why are you mentioning a direct clash between their underlings whether Hakuki would have them or not. When I'm simply saying the events that led to Ousen receiving that treatment start from Akou's arrogance at the hands of Riboku.

- Shibashou was able to crush in battle Ousen, after Riboku removed Ousen's strongest piece from him, Akou. Then proceeded to remove his other strong piece in RiShin. And in trying to dominate/crush an Ousen who was strategically handicapped due to the mistakes by Akou and Shin... What Riboku did to Gekishin is crushing defeat, where you end the battle fast while still mainitaing majority of your army. What Shibashou did wasn't it, the bulldozing over Ousen's army came at a HEAVY cost to Shibashou.... all against an Ousen who couldn't use his three best pieces Akou, Ouhon, Shin... thanks to Riboku. Not sure why people continue to treat this like a 1vs1 between SBS and Ousen.

But Riboku did not remove Akou.

Akou was ambushed, but he was able to escape. Sure, you can argue it did effected the flow, but it wasn't a nail to the coffin. Him receiving grievious injury to his back and dying is something that happened later when he tried to save Ousen.

HSU and GHA are irrelevant, since the comparison was stricktly between Seika and Ousen Army.

- Traits of Ousen were compared to Hakuki, not his overall abilities being the equal of Hakuki. Just as a trait of Kanki was compared to Hakuki's.

Right... because Ousen is superior to Hakuki in aspects such as strength and leadership.

- Ouki stated an enemy of unprecedented levels has appeared. However, his reasoning for that is the orchestration of such a large scheme. And a scheme which Ouki was able to deduce despite having next to no info. The unprecedented enemy then proceeded to admit inferiority to Ouki's inferior in Renpa in a head on war like Mougou-Renpa.... which is the context we're talking about no?

Ouki didn't decude the full scheme, he simply realized there's an ambush, but failed to estimate the timing of their arrival which was already within Riboku's expectations. That is why Ouki admitted he got outplayed.

Riboku being unpararelled planer puts him above Hakuki in that aspect and gives his advantage in a hypothetical battle of minds between the two.

 

[PerfectHie]

Riboku and the plot is the greatest Kingdom duo.