Controversial RIP Zoro Agenda 1999 - 2025

[Fujishiro]

You think? maybe its recency bias
i feel like the last almost 3 year i only read Bb arguments regarding sword agenda

There was a fucking thread with like + 100 pages or so arguing about that shit and that was like 1 thread

I mean every thread used to devolve into Zoro vs Sanji and Sanji slander. If you count the amount of pages wasted and dedicated to trashing Sanji they easily dwarf the BB debacle.

 

[Wh1p]

Zoro remains significantly stronger than Sanji, nothing's magically changed there. He still doesn't even need KOH and arguably ACoC to win.

In regards to EoS, people seem to be confused. Roger, Rayleigh and Gaban are not Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. Gaban was stated to be a Sanji parallel, but Rayleigh is not Zoro's parallel. Zoro's parallel is Ryuuma - Rayleigh is Zoro's benchmark. But Roger is also Zoro's benchmark, as Zoro will be the greatest swordsman to have ever lived. There's a reason why Sanji was instantly stated to be a Gaban parallel, but not once has Zoro ever been associated with Rayleigh nor anyone bar Ryuuma in that same manner. Sanji needed a benchmark to hit top-tier EoS and Gaban finally gives him that, but Zoro has a million top-tier benchmarks and his floor (Ryuuma, Roger, Venus) remains higher than Sanji's (Gaban).

The only thing that has changed is that Sanji is now certain to be Admiral level EoS. That doesn't mean that Zoro nor even Luffy need to be anywhere near Sanji's level - Luffy has no ceiling and Zoro's only ceiling is Luffy. Sanji being Gaban's parallel whilst Zoro isn't a Rayleigh parallel is proof that the SHs and RPs share a different dynamic. Zoro doesn't exist within Roger's crew, and his minimum benchmark within that crew includes the captain.

Copium overdose.
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Imagine trying to convince yourself that the Dark King and King of Hell aren't parallels. Holy shit the Zorotard agenda is so cooked that they're actually divorcing Rayleigh after riding his agenda for literal years. You can't make this up even if you tried.

 

[Juanpiz]

Gaban doesn’t even feel real sometimes… like if there’s any conspiracy that Oda pays attention to the community when writing the story then Gaban is probably the best proof there’s been in years

- Considered a legend

- Grouped with Roger and Rayleigh as one of the 3 strongest that far surpass the rest of the crew

- Instantly compared to Sanji and calls himself “the Minister of Love” which leaves 0 room for doubt that he’s meant to be a Sanji parallel

- Stated to rival/be equal to Rayleigh multiple times

- Has advanced conqueror’s haki and future sight

It almost sounds like a Sanji fan wrote it

Do you the Pirate King Crew had bums
Even buggy has Potential and importance

 

[NikaInParis]

 

[Desolate Smaug]

is there any doubt anymore about Gaban using AdCoC?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

It feels good, if only zolosers could read

 

[Shisui]

In all fairness the agenda that’s lost the most is Luffy agenda.

If anything, the Luffy agenda only got stronger this chap
No talk of Roger = Ray = Gaban this time around. Oda knows the captain operates on a different level than his wings

 

[HeroesNZ]

Copium overdose.
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Imagine trying to convince yourself that the Dark King and King of Hell aren't parallels. Holy shit the Zorotard agenda is so cooked that they're actually divorcing Rayleigh after riding his agenda for literal years. You can't make this up even if you tried.

You're confused. Rayleigh still exists as a benchmark for Zoro, he's simply not a direct parallel.

Sharing similarities doesn't make you a direct parallel.

Parallels are made in-canon - Roger is Luffy's parallel because countless characters have said hey, you remind me of Roger. Sanji is Gaban's parallel because characters have said hey, you remind me of Sanji. Zoro is Ryuuma's parallel because characters have said hey, you remind me of Ryuuma.

No one has ever said Zoro reminds them of Rayleigh - he is not a direct Rayleigh parallel. But you can share similarities with characters such that they become benchmarks or you could even call it an indirect parallel. Zoro has plenty:
Direct parallel: Ryuuma
Indirect parallels: Oden, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Roger, Whitebeard, Shimotsuki Ushimaru.

This is common sense. Take Luffy:
Direct parallel: Roger, Joyboy, Nika
Indirect parallels: Shanks, Ryuuma, Oden

Or Sabo:
Direct parallel: Ace
Indirect parallel: Oden

None of your headcanon changes this. I'll change my mind if you can provide a single manga panel where Zoro reminds someone of Rayleigh, I'll wait. Until then, hush.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

You're confused. Rayleigh still exists as a benchmark for Zoro, he's simply not a direct parallel.

Sharing similarities doesn't make you a direct parallel.

Parallels are made in-canon - Roger is Luffy's parallel because countless characters have said hey, you remind me of Roger. Sanji is Gaban's parallel because characters have said hey, you remind me of Sanji. Zoro is Ryuuma's parallel because characters have said hey, you remind me of Ryuuma.

No one has ever said Zoro reminds them of Rayleigh - he is not a direct Rayleigh parallel. But you can share similarities with characters such that they become benchmarks or you could even call it an indirect parallel. Zoro has plenty:
Direct parallel: Ryuuma
Indirect parallels: Oden, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Roger, Whitebeard, Shimotsuki Ushimaru.

This is common sense. Take Luffy:
Direct parallel: Roger, Joyboy, Nika
Indirect parallels: Shanks, Ryuuma, Oden

Or Sabo:
Direct parallel: Ace
Indirect parallel: Oden

None of your headcanon changes this. I'll change my mind if you can provide a single manga panel where Zoro reminds someone of Rayleigh, I'll wait. Until then, hush.

Who has said that gaban reminds them of sanji?

 

[Near]

It brought me a little entertainment while it lasted. It was fun seeing their reactions to Gucci defeating him.

 

[NikaInParis]

Who has said that gaban reminds them of sanji?

When Gaban said he was the Minister of Love Luffy said he's like an older Sanji

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

When Gaban said he was the Minister of Love Luffy said he's like an older Sanji

Forgot about that, very nice to see Sanji being compared to a real top tier, when most characters are compared to nothing or had been.. like sanji OLDER is a top tier.. imagine what young sanji can be

 

[Rivaille]

Cool, now Sanji fans can stop pretending to be Shanks fans and we can all move toward

 

[Shiroyru]

Zoro remains significantly stronger than Sanji, nothing's magically changed there. He still doesn't even need KOH and arguably ACoC to win.

In regards to EoS, people seem to be confused. Roger, Rayleigh and Gaban are not Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. Gaban was stated to be a Sanji parallel, but Rayleigh is not Zoro's parallel. Zoro's parallel is Ryuuma - Rayleigh is Zoro's benchmark. But Roger is also Zoro's benchmark, as Zoro will be the greatest swordsman to have ever lived. There's a reason why Sanji was instantly stated to be a Gaban parallel, but not once has Zoro ever been associated with Rayleigh nor anyone bar Ryuuma in that same manner. Sanji needed a benchmark to hit top-tier EoS and Gaban finally gives him that, but Zoro has a million top-tier benchmarks and his floor (Ryuuma, Roger, Venus) remains higher than Sanji's (Gaban).

The only thing that has changed is that Sanji is now certain to be Admiral level EoS. That doesn't mean that Zoro nor even Luffy need to be anywhere near Sanji's level - Luffy has no ceiling and Zoro's only ceiling is Luffy. Sanji being Gaban's parallel whilst Zoro isn't a Rayleigh parallel is proof that the SHs and RPs share a different dynamic. Zoro doesn't exist within Roger's crew, and his minimum benchmark within that crew includes the captain.

What weapons was Roger holding in Chapter 0?

 

[HeroesNZ]

What weapons was Roger holding in Chapter 0?

Oh no

Is this the part where we start the Roger's not a swordsman he's a hakiman arguments

Even though he loves his sword so much he named his son after it

Even though Shanks based his fighting style off Roger's and Shanks is known as the rival of the world's strongest swordsman

pls no

 

[Juanpiz]

Oh no

Is this the part where we start the Roger's not a swordsman he's a hakiman arguments

Even though he loves his sword so much he named his son after it

Even though Shanks based his fighting style off Roger's and Shanks is known as the rival of the world's strongest swordsman

pls no

Even though he Faced strong guys Like Oden and wb with it

 

[kekaro]

Oh no

Is this the part where we start the Roger's not a swordsman he's a hakiman arguments

Even though he loves his sword so much he named his son after it

Even though Shanks based his fighting style off Roger's and Shanks is known as the rival of the world's strongest swordsman

pls no

you tell them bro.
a question tho

Can you explain to the class how you were twerking gaban is not a mid top tier, but blocking 1 slash of gaban, now confirmed, while was gaban pressing luffy and zoro at the same time, standing in a panel beside luffy makes zoro a low top tier?
Im sure you were writing this essays because of the streets, of course
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.64289/page-260#post-5895474
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.64564/page-397#post-5934852


We just starting btw. you have alot of street talks that reads mad funny

 

[Rumble]

Forgot about that, very nice to see Sanji being compared to a real top tier, when most characters are compared to nothing or had been.. like sanji OLDER is a top tier.. imagine what young sanji can be

Sanji being top tier was cemented with the introduction of Rayleigh at the latest and Mihawk at the earliest.

Waban just made it undeniable.

 

[soupongo]

Roger didn't care about his son though. Can you imagine Roger getting hostage diffed for fucking Ace?

 

[Shiroyru]

Oh no

Is this the part where we start the Roger's not a swordsman he's a hakiman arguments

Even though he loves his sword so much he named his son after it

Even though Shanks based his fighting style off Roger's and Shanks is known as the rival of the world's strongest swordsman

pls no

What type of sword is Roger holding in his right hand?