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[Legendaryconquer#1]

You do know that Zoro was protecting Luffy tama, AND the lion they where ridding on and still managed to fend off all Hawkings atacks

That's not an excuse on why he couldn't deflect all the nails that came his way.

while destroying his scarecrow while only taking very minimun damage, right?

The scarecrow is just a puppet on strings that Hawkins controls that even Zoro commented on it's strength. And yes it cause minimum damage it's nails for Christ sakes but that's not the point. The point is during that whole Zoro vs Hawkins exchange Hawkins hasn't received any battle damage until he got to law.

 

[Rekien]

That's not an excuse on why he couldn't deflect all the nails that came his way.

The scarecrow is just a puppet on strings that Hawkins controls that even Zoro commented on it's strength. And yes it cause minimum damage it's nails for Christ sakes but that's not the point. The point is during that whole Zoro vs Hawkins exchange Hawkins hasn't received any battle damage until he got to law.

Thats no excuse? LMAO

Soo what was Kidd's excuse for losing to fodders when he saw them dragging Killer, or Kamazou at the time back to Udon? If being restricted to the back of the liondogthing while protecting Luffy, the dog itself and a small child is not an "excuse" then having kairouseki cuffs on his wrist is also no excuse either.

Zoro wasnt even trying to damage hawkings, he was trying to get tama out of there, and he showed us how easily he could handle the scarecrow even while under severe disadvantage.

 

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[Finalbeta]

The fuck this clown talking about LOL, its like he is reading a diferent manga.

You do know that Zoro was protecting Luffy tama, AND the lion they where ridding on and still managed to fend off all Hawkings atacks, while destroying his scarecrow while only taking very minimun damage, right?
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Trebol? realy? LMAO imagine using fucking trebol as an excuse when Luffy was there to help Law.

I wasnt even talking to you about jinbe and robin, you morron, just showing how retarded his argument about "Buh Law fighting big meme with Kidd" is when pretty much anyone can make her look like a clown withoud trying.

Soo you want to say injection shot is stronger than gamma knife now? LMAO. The level of delusion and headcannon is strong with this one, but then again you need that to be a captain midd stan, a character that has absolutely 0 feats, just pre-TS portrayal and thats that.

Hawkins felt like a spoiled chicken before the Grandmaster. His dolls saved him. That was the point all along after all. It is well known how he has a limited amount of those, it's not like Cracker's biscuits.

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

Soo what was Kidd's excuse for losing to fodders when he saw them dragging Killer, or Kamazou at the time back to Udon?

Two different situations one resist the other one doesn't.

If being restricted to the back of the liondogthing while protecting Luffy, the dog itself and a small child is not an "excuse" then having kairouseki cuffs on his wrist is also no excuse either.

Bruh, you are comparing two different scenarios.😂 Zoro wasn't restricted like kid or Luffy because he doesn't have a devil fruit for one thing. Secondly, just because zoro is protecting someone is not an excuse on why he didn't deflect all the nails that came his way. The fodder said kid stop resisting but we don't know why at the time because it was off-screen.

Zoro wasn't even trying to damage hawkings

So how come when Luffy threw the lizard at Hawkins Zoro uses that opportunity to attack Hawkins with a quick slash to the head? Wasn't trying to damage him my ass he was going for the kill and neither Zoro or Luffy knew about Hawkins's devil fruit at the time of the clash.

he showed us how easily he could handle the scarecrow even while under severe disadvantage.

Easily?😂 He was struggling trying to block the swing and saying how powerful the scarecrow's strength is. Kizaru and law pressure Hawkins better than what Zoro did that he became more wary of law by using his crew as hostages. Hawkins is smart and knows who's more of a threat or not.

 

[Rekien]

The fodder said kid stop resisting but we don't know why at the time because it was off-screen.

Ah, just like always midd stans cant make arguments withoud relying on headcannon.

Easily?😂 He was struggling trying to block the swing and saying how powerful the scarecrow's strength is.

Easily yes, the only trouble he had was that blocking might damage the dog. He commended it yet he deflected the scarecrow withoud any issue, even Doffy comended Sanji's strenght even though he trashed him a single atack.

Bruh, you are comparing two different scenarios.😂 Zoro wasn't restricted like kid or Luffy because he doesn't have a devil fruit for one thing. Secondly, just because zoro is protecting someone is not an excuse on why he didn't deflect all the nails that came his way. The fodder said kid stop resisting but we don't know why at the time because it was off-screen.

Zoro was restricted on the top of a moving creature with people behind him making impossible for him to dodge or move, no other supernova would be able to replicate Zoro's feat of deflecting the nails with phisical ability alone, and considering Law's DF is confirmed USELESS against people with haki stronger than his, Zoro would trash his ass very quickly. Kidd got trashed by no name fodder just because he had some handcuffs on LMAO, even Luffy managed to trash a gifter or two while wearing the same handcuffs. Meanwhile Kidd couldnt even handle pleasures and waiters. Soo much for being Luffy's rival.

So how come when Luffy threw the lizard at Hawkins Zoro uses that opportunity to attack Hawkins with a quick slash to the head? Wasn't trying to damage him my ass he was going for the kill and neither Zoro or Luffy knew about Hawkins's devil fruit at the time of the clash.

Go reread the arc again you delusional fool, that was before both of them decided to run away because of tama, when they decided to run away to save her the priorities changed. Unless your stupid headcannon wants to think that Luffy and Zoro couldnt win against hawkings? LMAO. After his scarecrow got trashed Hawkings even gave up on following them because he knew he wouldnt be able to do shit.


Face it mate the only reason why Kidd would give trouble in a fight is because of his DF, and Law would depend on his swordmanship to win against Zoro wich would make the outcome of that fight obvious to anyone with a half braincell... if all three characters are facing an opponent of the same calliber, Zoro would do better than Kidd or Law 100% of the time.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Hawkins isn't portrayed as strong as Queen.
Hawkins isn't even portrayed as stronger than Apoo or x-Drake, and we know that Apoo was shitting in his pants thinking about a possible match between him and the calamity.

Why are you using how strong Hawkins is as some argument against Killer? For all we know Killers final matchup won’t even be against Hawkins since it’s obvious he will be switching sides.

I’ll make this simple. The 5 worst gen members on the roof were called the leaders of the new era. For guys like Jimbe or Marco it doesn’t matter because they aren’t new gen pirates. But Sanji is a new era pirate who is also on Onigashima and yet Oda did not include him in that group, while Killer was. Killer has flat out better portrayal than Sanji.
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Ah, just like always midd stans cant make arguments withoud relying on headcannon.

Kidd got trashed by no name fodder just because he had some handcuffs on LMAO, even Luffy managed to trash a gifter or two while wearing the same handcuffs. Meanwhile Kidd couldnt even handle pleasures and waiters. Soo much for being Luffy's rival.

Instead of accusing people who use their brain of making headcanon arguments, you should probably go back and read. Kidd did not put up any resistance to the fodder in Udon. He basically let himself get captured. Luffy even says the same thing

Like please, use your brain. The handcuffs had nothing to do with Kidd getting captured. Him and Luffy literally showed a few chapters earlier that they could kick a headliners ass easily while in sea cuffs.

You think he would lose to pleasures and waiters? Cmon man, he obviously didn’t try to fight them.

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

Easily yes, the only trouble he had was that blocking might damage the dog. He commended it yet he deflected the scarecrow withoud any issue, even Doffy comended Sanji's strenght even though he trashed him a single atack.

No doflamingo didn't get scratch on him while Zoro from a likely a weaker character than joker and also kamazou don't forget about him either.

Zoro was restricted on the top of a moving creature with people behind him making impossible for him to dodge or move, no other supernova would be able to replicate Zoro's feat of deflecting the nails with physical ability alone

They don't have to the other supernovas have other ways to deal with Hawkins's nails. Didn't Zoro said Luffy to guard Tama while he takes care of Hawkins's straw puppet?

considering Law's DF is confirmed USELESS against people with haki stronger than his, Zoro would trash his ass very quickly.

He's still couldn't even beat Hawkins or apoo who got up a chapter after he got slash with that surprise attack. He still has no chance against law and is about to face big mom.

Kidd got trashed by no name fodder just because he had some handcuffs on LMAO, even Luffy managed to trash a gifter or two while wearing the same handcuffs.

Show me the panel. So what if Luffy did trash them they were weak and he got trash also for just wasting energy fighting them off knowing he still has the seastone handcuffs on.

Meanwhile Kidd couldnt even handle pleasures and waiters. Soo much for being Luffy's rival.

What are talking about he was murking everyone even the headliners who were higher than pleasure and waiters; him and killer.

Go reread the arc again you delusional fool, that was before both of them decided to run away because of tama, when they decided to run away to save her the priorities changed. Unless your stupid headcannon wants to think that Luffy and Zoro couldnt win against hawkings? LMAO. After his scarecrow got trashed Hawkings even gave up on following them because he knew he wouldnt be able to do shit.

Together Luffy and Zoro could best Hawkins but Zoro on his own he had no chance. Hawkins stop pursuing them because more people will come to aid them. So simply put he follows whatever the cards tell him to do.

Face it mate the only reason why Kidd would give trouble in a fight is because of his DF, and Law would depend on his swordmanship to win against Zoro wich would make the outcome of that fight obvious to anyone with a half braincell..

Then why are you arguing against it if the portrayal was obvious? Sounds like a you problem maybe you should work on that.

if all three characters are facing an opponent of the same calliber, Zoro would do better than Kidd or Law 100% of the time.

Ok buddy I give up you won there's no point on keeping arguing about this even tho you're wrong but this conversation is not getting anywhere. And I just notice you always bringing up kid as a cope mechanism when you're in a corner when talking about zoro vs any other character but you don't need to do that alright.

 

[Rekien]

No doflamingo didn't get scratch on him while Zoro from a likely a weaker character than joker and also kamazou don't forget about him either.

They don't have to the other supernovas have other ways to deal with Hawkins's nails. Didn't Zoro said Luffy to guard Tama while he takes care of Hawkins's straw puppet?

He's still couldn't even beat Hawkins or apoo who got up a chapter after he got slash with that surprise attack. He still has no chance against law and is about to face big mom.

Show me the panel. So what if Luffy did trash them they were weak and he got trash also for just wasting energy fighting them off knowing he still has the seastone handcuffs on.

What are talking about he was murking everyone even the headliners who were higher than pleasure and waiters; him and killer.

Together Luffy and Zoro could best Hawkins but Zoro on his own he had no chance. Hawkins stop pursuing them because more people will come to aid them. So simply put he follows whatever the cards tell him to do.

Then why are you arguing against it if the portrayal was obvious? Sounds like a you problem maybe you should work on that.

Ok buddy I give up you won there's no point on keeping arguing about this even tho you're wrong but this conversation is not getting anywhere. And I just notice you always bringing up kid as a cope mechanism when you're in a corner when talking about zoro vs any other character but you don't need to do that alright.

I am talking about kidd because you fucks brought him up, and he is relevant to the discussion, not to mention you are one of his cumboys. Zoro took a small scratch and suddenly he lost the fight even though he trashed Hawking's puppet like the fodder he is, but when your fav gets fucked up because some handcuffs then suddenly "BuT MuH SiTtuAtiOn".

Damn you speak soo much nonsense.....Soo much garbage based on nothing but pure headcannon that is bafling, you ignore shit just to push your retarded narrative, imagine pretending like Kamazou vs Zoro was a fair fight. Even when the manga literaly shows what the hell is happening LOL. Even sugesting that Law is portrayed as stronger than Zoro sounds utterly retarded and shows how desperate you area after the rooftop, where Law couldnt do shit even with his strongest atacks.

"What are talking about he was murking everyone even the headliners who were higher than pleasure and waiters; him and killer. "
Yeah he sure was, when they where dragging him back to udon like garbage allongside Killer.

Now you wanna say that Zoro didnt beat Apoo and that he couldnt beat hawkings?Even though Zoro with one sword managed to do more damage to apoo than Kidd's pathetic sneak atack did? LMAO Good job on proving Kidd fans are even more retarded than sanjistans. Your character has literaly 0 feats, never even beat anyone in the entirety of the manga, unless you count that one pacifista that they took on as a group.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

I am talking about kidd because you fucks brought him up, and he is relevant to the discussion, not to mention you are one of his cumboys. Zoro took a small scratch and suddenly he lost the fight even though he trashed Hawking's puppet like the fodder he is, but when your fav gets fucked up because some handcuffs then suddenly "BuT MuH SiTtuAtiOn".

Dude are you slow? The Kidd and Zoro situations are two completely different circumstances. It has nothing to do with having cuffs or not. Kidd literally was not fighting back and let himself be captured. Zoro and Hawkins were actually engaged in mutual combat...

 

[Rekien]

Dude are you slow? The Kidd and Zoro situations are two completely different circumstances. It has nothing to do with having cuffs or not. Kidd literally was not fighting back and let himself be captured. Zoro and Hawkins were actually engaged in mutual combat...

He couldnt even save Killer from some fodders and surrendered himself, how pathetic is that....

Mutual combat? Zoro was trying to get Tama to a doctor, you idiots keep pretending that Zoro was not on top of a moving monster while protecting not only the monster but Luffy and Tama too. You completely ignore the situation but suddenly its "unfair" if i downplay Kidd because of his handcuffs?

The fucking hypocrisy.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

He couldnt even save Killer from some fodders and surrendered himself, how pathetic is that....

Mutual combat? Zoro was trying to get Tama to a doctor, you idiots keep pretending that Zoro was not on top of a moving monster while protecting not only the monster but Luffy and Tama too. You completely ignore the situation but suddenly its "unfair" if i downplay Kidd because of his handcuffs?

The fucking hypocrisy.

Dude, last time. Kidd did not even try and fight the fodder or save Killer from the fodder. He just ran at them because he saw Killer in a fucked up state, the guards thought that he was charging them because they didn’t know that Kamazou and Kidd knew each other so they shot at him. Do you have no reading comprehension?

I am not making excuses because he had handcuffs, I am saying he literally did not even try to defend himself or attack them. It wasn’t a fight nor a clash where both sides threw out attacks like Zoro vs Hawkins was. You didn’t even read what I typed lol. Stop getting salty, I’m not even against your Zoro and Hawkins point so I’m not sure why you’re calling me an idiot.

One more time because I understand your rage is not letting you read. Kidd did not try and fight the fodder. It has nothing to do with handcuffs or no handcuffs. He simply didn’t even defend himself and let himself get captured. You don’t need to desperately bring up the Kidd in Udon situation, which is completely different, just because you’re salty some other Kidd fan is “downplaying“ Zoro.

 

[Rekien]

Dude, last time. Kidd did not even try and fight the fodder or save Killer from the fodder. He just ran at them because he saw Killer in a fucked up state, the guards thought that he was charging them because they didn’t know that Kamazou and Kidd knew each other so they shot at him. Do you have no reading comprehension?

I am not making excuses because he had handcuffs, I am saying he literally did not even try to defend himself or attack them. It wasn’t a fight nor a clash where both sides threw out attacks like Zoro vs Hawkins was. You didn’t even read what I typed lol. Stop getting salty, I’m not even against your Zoro and Hawkins point so I’m not sure why you’re calling me an idiot.

One more time because I understand your rage is not letting you read. Kidd did not try and fight the fodder. It has nothing to do with handcuffs or no handcuffs. He simply didn’t even defend himself and let himself get captured. You don’t need to desperately bring up the Kidd in Udon situation, which is completely different, just because you’re salty some other Kidd fan is “downplaying“ Zoro.

Looking down on you is different than being salty.


The whole point why i brought that up was to show you fucks that situation matters, he was downplaying Zoro compared to law for getting a scratch on his arm, i simply brought Kidd being dragged by fodders is to show you two just that simple fact that is again, try to pay attention now, SITUATION MATTERS, if you gonna downplay a character for getting a small scratch when he was in a realy bad spot, dont be mad that im downplaying your fav when he was also in a bad situation. The fact that both of you didnt even understand that simple concept is why im calling you idiots.

 

[Finalbeta]

Is there really something of compelling to be seriously discussed here?

The Grandmaster proved how far he could push Kaido odds wise had he stood healthy. That's a level no one reached so far feats + general portrayal wise, not even Luffy and we had Kaido mocking his performance in some way. That testifies their fight probably stood as something like mid difficulty, and that was the umpteenth time Luffy would lose against him. Let's see what kinds of wonders he comes up with next, but thus far this is the long standing situation.

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

he was downplaying Zoro compared to law for getting a scratch on his arm, i simply brought Kidd being dragged by fodders is to show you two just that simple fact that is again, try to pay attention now, SITUATION MATTERS.

Yeah I was just referring to the Hawkins vs Zoro situation when your boy beta say he can curbstomp Hawkins like he was stating actual evidence to his claim. Then you come along bringing up kid and his situation like they're similar to Zoro.😒 So I don't want to hear about me bringing irrelevant things that wasn't on that subject in what I was talking about cause I didn't bring kid's name up you did.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Looking down on you is different than being salty.


The whole point why i brought that up was to show you fucks that situation matters, he was downplaying Zoro compared to law for getting a scratch on his arm, i simply brought Kidd being dragged by fodders is to show you two just that simple fact that is again, try to pay attention now, SITUATION MATTERS, if you gonna downplay a character when he was in a realy bad spot, dont be mad that im downplaying your fav when he was also in a bad situation. The fact that both of you didnt even understand that simple concept is why im calling you idiots.

The fact that you think you’re looking down on anyone here makes you look very pathetic.

You are the only idiot here. You are comparing a situation that isn’t even a fight to Zoro and Hawkins which was undoubtedly a clash where they both threw out attacks back and forth. I understand the point you’re trying making about situation matters, you just used a terrible example to compare the Hawkins situation to dumbass.

You’re comparison would have worked better if Kidd actually tried to fight the guards and then only lost because of the handcuffs and Killers fucked up state. But no he didn’t even fight back. How is that in anyway comparable to Zoro vs Hawkins? Zoro was handicapped, yes but it was still a battle. Forget handicaps or “bad spots”, Kidd did not even fight. Bad comparison
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Yeah I was just referring to the Hawkins vs Zoro situation when your boy beta say he can curbstomp Hawkins like he was stating actual evidence to his claim. Then you come along bringing up kid and his situation like they're similar to Zoro.😒 So I don't want to hear about me bringing irrelevant things that wasn't on that subject in what I was talking about cause I didn't bring kid's name up you did.

Just an awful comparison of situations. He only desperately brought Kidds situation up because he was salty about you said about Zoro. He could have at least found comparable situations though. He’s comparing a dude not even fighting back, to Zoro fighting handicapped lol

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

The Grandmaster proved how far he could push Kaido odds wise had he stood healthy. That's a level no one reached so far feats + general portrayal wise

You seem to forget it was a 5 vs 2 you do realize that right? Other than the scaring kaido what else did he do after that?

not even Luffy and we had Kaido mocking his performance in some way. That testifies their fight probably stood as something like mid difficulty, and that was the umpteenth time Luffy would lose against him.

Isn't Zoro still in a full body cast while the rest are still in perfect condition?

 

[Rekien]

The fact that you think you’re looking down on anyone here makes you look very pathetic.

You are the only idiot here. You are comparing a situation that isn’t even a fight to Zoro and Hawkins which was undoubtedly a clash where they both threw out attacks back and forth. I understand the point you’re trying making about situation matters, you just used a terrible example to compare the Hawkins situation to dumbass.

You’re comparison would have worked better if Kidd actually tried to fight the guards and then only lost because of the handcuffs. But no he didn’t even fight back. How is that in anyway comparable to Zoro vs Hawkins? Zoro was handicapped, yes but it was still a battle. Forget handicaps or “bad spots”, Kidd did not even fight. Bad comparison
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Awful comparison of situations. He only desperately brought Kidds situation up because he was salty about you said about Zoro. He could have at least found comparable situations though. He’s comparing a dude not even fighting back, to Zoro fighting handicapped lol

"he got captured by fodder but itz a bad comparisum becoz he wasnt fighting" More like he couldnt fight....

The fact that you are still butthurt and wont shut up about my comparisson shows who is realy salty here.

 

[Ballel]

Zoro scarred Kaido for

His life's not gonna last long tho.

 

[Legendaryconquer#1]

He got captured like trash LOL.

The fact that you are still butthurt and wont shut up about my comparisson shows who is realy salty here.

You poor soul.you still don't get it.