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[Monkey D Theories]

And Hawkins does not have an excuse like Apoo that he was an informant and thus remained hidden.
What has Hawkins done in comparison exactly, show me those feats, dude even predicted Brownbeard´s death wrong.

Hawkins joined the beast pirates after the dressrosa arc. In order to become a calamity, you need to be granted the opportunity to fight one of them.
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Every Supernova had better portrayal than Urouge because he literally had the lowest bounty. Hawkins having a higher bounty and causing some disturbance is not resulting him having better portrayal, and he is not piggybacking on Urouge´s feat of beating a Y4C until he even remotely shows he is capable of matching that feat.

Why wouldn't he be capable of matching that feat?

Do you think that he is on the same tier as the mid trio? Because that seems like what you are arguing.
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The reason I say Hawkins is near YC3 level or higher is because his powers are extremely strong. Before his devil fruit reveal, many people were speculating that he was a mythical zoan and while that speculation turned out to be ultimately wrong; in practice, his fruit works a lot like a mythical zoan.

He can enhance his physical capabilities via demon conquering form and straw sword. But even beyond this he has additional hax abilities, such as his voodoo dolls and his straw man cards power, which allows him to further surpass his own limits.

In what way does any member of the dying six have anything even remotely close to this? But no, for some reason, Hawkins needs to prove he is stronger than dollar store rob lucci

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Hawkins joined the beast pirates after the dressrosa arc. In order to become a calamity, you need to be granted the opportunity to fight one of them.
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Why wouldn't he be capable of matching that feat?

Do you think that he is on the same tier as the mid trio? Because that seems like what you are arguing.
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The reason I say Hawkins is near YC3 level or higher is because his powers are extremely strong. Before his devil fruit reveal, many people were speculating that he was a mythical zoan and while that speculation turned out to be ultimately wrong; in practice, his fruit works a lot like a mythical zoan.

He can enhance his physical capabilities via demon conquering form and straw sword. But even beyond this he has additional hax abilities, such as his voodoo dolls and his straw man cards power, which allows him to further surpass his own limits.

In what way does any member of the dying six have anything even remotely close to this? But no, for some reason, Hawkins needs to prove he is stronger than dollar store rob lucci

Had he proven his strength vs Kaidou on the island, it is stupid to assume Kaidou would make him a Headliner, that´s just a dumb excuse. That´s applicable for F6 because their strength when they joined was just that, F6, and they might have improved, hence they could prove it in a direct confrontation with one of the commanders.
Hawkins literally joining, yet still not even being a F6, does not speak for him because Kaidou literally estimated him to be below F6.

Why would he be capable?
He literally lost two lives in a few seconds vs Zoro. Zoro´s weakest flying slash, he called "impressive". Even if he has 100 lives, it just prolongs the inevitable. The strawman? Shitty because it transfers the damage to himself, which makes it inferior to Daifuku´s genie. The nails? Only relevant because they were aimed at a little child who was dying.
The cards? Double-edged sword that can bite him in the ass. I like that you only assume the positive consequences of his cards but not the repercussions.
Dude literally knew he had no chance against Law, hence prepared his crewmates as hostages.

This paragraph does not say anything except that you see him as strong.

His physical capabilities are shit though, and to what degree he can enhance them is not known.
Hax abilities? Just prolongs the fight needlessly.
To what degree does it allow to surpass his limits? Any proof?

F6 have physical strength, durability, lethality, speed and the list goes on.

 

[Midnight Delight]

which makes it inferior to Daifuku´s genie.

We still don't know about that in the manga

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Had he proven his strength vs Kaidou on the island, it is stupid to assume Kaidou would make him a Headliner, that´s just a dumb excuse. That´s applicable for F6 because their strength when they joined was just that, F6, and they might have improved, hence they could prove it in a direct confrontation with one of the commanders.
Hawkins literally joining, yet still not even being a F6, does not speak for him because Kaidou literally estimated him to be below F6.

Hawkins didn't even try to fight kaido. He knew he would lose so he bent the knee.
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Why would he be capable?
He literally lost two lives in a few seconds vs Zoro. Zoro´s weakest flying slash, he called "impressive". Even if he has 100 lives, it just prolongs the inevitable.

He was getting 2v1ed and he didn't even take any damage. Oda also had him conveniently draw bad cards so that he could hold off on showing Hawkins's true strength.

The strawman? Shitty because it transfers the damage to himself, which makes it inferior to Daifuku´s genie. The nails? Only relevant because they were aimed at a little child who was dying.
The cards? Double-edged sword that can bite him in the ass. I like that you only assume the positive consequences of his cards but not the repercussions.
Dude literally knew he had no chance against Law, hence prepared his crewmates as hostages.

This paragraph does not say anything except that you see him as strong.

His physical capabilities are shit though, and to what degree he can enhance them is not known.
Hax abilities? Just prolongs the fight needlessly.
To what degree does it allow to surpass his limits? Any proof?

F6 have physical strength, durability, lethality, speed and the list goes on.

Why are you trying so hard to rationalize that Hawkins doesn't have an overpowered array of abilities?

Zoro and Law are top supernovas. Oda is literally pitting them up against yonko. Yes, they are better than Hawkins, but that doesn't mean Hawkins is weaker than franky lmao.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

We still don't know about that in the manga

We are judging what we have seen so far.

 

[Ricassian]

Killer is YC1 just deal with it

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Killer is YC1 just deal with it

Not at the moment, but I could honestly see him ending the arc at that level if he gets a power up, which I'm almost certain he will get(as almost every character has unveiled new abilities in their fights)

imo, Killer is a member of the 3 eye tribe. Despite the tribe being hinted as really important, pudding is the only known member and even she is only half 3 eye. I think Killer would be the perfect opportunity to unveil the full powers of the 3 eye tribe.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Hawkins didn't even try to fight kaido. He knew he would lose so he bent the knee.
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He was getting 2v1ed and he didn't even take any damage. Oda also had him conveniently draw bad cards so that he could hold off on showing Hawkins's true strength.



Why are you trying so hard to rationalize that Hawkins doesn't have an overpowered array of abilities?

Zoro and Law are top supernovas. Oda is literally pitting them up against yonko. Yes, they are better than Hawkins, but that doesn't mean Hawkins is weaker than franky lmao.

Which is part of the problem, dude literally called Law "mighty", was constantly sweating thinking of confronting Law, Luffy or Zoro.
How exactly does that seem "comparable" to those guys? You think a Y3C would call Zoro´s weakest slash "impressive"?
This is how a Y4C dealt with a serious Zoro slash at least with double the strength.
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You are talking about portrayal this, portrayal that, but constantly ignore this portrayal of being a sucker compared to these guys.
Kaidou himself came out to bring Ashura to his side, meaning he cared that much about it, and Ashura by feats is at best Y4C.
Yet nobody cares about lil Hawkins.

Luffy did not fight him at all, another excuse.
Sure, it´s always convenient, Luffy was literally having fun pretending to be a samurai, you think he will do that vs a serious opponent?
1) He did not only draw bad cards, the strawman had the pursuit card, got immediately destroyed, was a cute pursuit.
2) Luffy could not care less about Hawkins except being curious about the sword
3) Luffy himself can gauge strength of people roughly, vs Hawkins, zero.

Why are you trying to claim he has overpowered abilities without any proof?
Everything you said are only rough concepts. Overcoming his limit? By how much? Considering his limit is low in the first place, if you don´t know in what way it enhances his abilities, it´s all conjecture.

I never said Hawkins is weaker than Franky.

 

[Ricassian]

imo, Killer is a member of the 3 eye tribe. Despite the tribe being hinted as really important, pudding is the only known member and even she is only half 3 eye. I think Killer would be the perfect opportunity to unveil the full powers of the 3 eye tribe.

Readed about this a couple of times, the fact that his face was never show fully gives you think.
Also readed about him being marked with the CD plinth...
These are both interesting theorys but imo he could easily be none of the two.
Anyway what kind of powers do you think the 3-eyed tribe has, if well mastered?

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Not at the moment, but I could honestly see him ending the arc at that level if he gets a power up, which I'm almost certain he will get(as almost every character has unveiled new abilities in their fights)

imo, Killer is a member of the 3 eye tribe. Despite the tribe being hinted as really important, pudding is the only known member and even she is only half 3 eye. I think Killer would be the perfect opportunity to unveil the full powers of the 3 eye tribe.

Haha no.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Luffy: Barley low top-tier or even weaker.
Zoro: In betweener. As strong as, if not stronger than post Udon Luffy.
Kid~Law: Less than YC-1
Killer: At least YC3; decisively stronger than the scabbards.