Questions & Mysteries Rooftop LVP?

[Philosoraptor]

I'm not fluent in Japanese, but the English translation I've seen was simply plural. Could've simply been referring to Law and Luffy.

How convenient of you to ignore the plural sentence literally ignoring Kidd being referred along the same as them lmao.

Luffy,[IGNORED], and then Law. LMAO

And unless Kidd has AdCoA, a slam is nothing beyond surface level, while Luffy and Law's attacks are

The panels are there for anyone to see. If you think Kaido reacts the same to Gibson Slam, as he does to Law and Killer, so be it

This is what you call cognitive dissonance. Instead of just admitting your wrong you would rather rewrite/reinterpret manga panels until it fits your narrative.

Kidd already acknowledged that physical blows DO NOT WORK against Kaido so he moved his way of damaging Kaido by what he stated [here]. Kidd tells us he is moving his damage output by causing blunt trauma. But according to you, you have to force Kidd being stupid by using the means he already acknowledged won't work.

 

[Jailer]

Killer

 

[SkySanji]

MVP: Luffy by spades
LVP: Kidd by spades

 

[Monkey D Theories]

And unless Kidd has AdCoA, a slam is nothing beyond surface level, while Luffy and Law's attacks are

That's what I mean when I say that this idea that Kid did no damage is just headcanon.

1. Kaido's reaction is literally the exact same as gamma knife and this move is shown alongside gamma knife
2. Kaido acknowledges that the supernova can hurt him
3. there is no contextual evidence that Kid's attack did no damage. No statements made by Kaido, Kid, or the surrounding characters.

You think Kid did no damage because you cannot believe that he could do damage with raw force alone. However that disregards a simple fact:

• Kid has blatantly been shown to be doing damage to BM with raw force

If Punk Corna Dio and Damned Punk could make BM bleed with raw force alone, and Punk crash could make her sacrifice lifespan, then it is entirely possible that the body slam has enough force to hurt kaido.

And absolutely nothing in the manga suggests otherwise.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Much as I love to shit on Kid and don’t mind Killer, it’s Killer.

They both did negligible damage to Kaido, they both took care of a Homie (Killer- Napoleon, Kid- Prometheus cage) but Kid then took Big Mom‘s piddly pillow punch and sent her up into the air. So Kid contributed one more thing.

 

[serkeara]

MVP:Zoro

LVP: the rest including Enma. If Zoro didn't need to protect them, he would walk back to Wano with two yonko heads in his hands.

 

[Score]

That's what I mean when I say that this idea that Kid did no damage is just headcanon.

1. Kaido's reaction is literally the exact same as gamma knife and this move is shown alongside gamma knife
2. Kaido acknowledges that the supernova can hurt him
3. there is no contextual evidence that Kid's attack did no damage. No statements made by Kaido, Kid, or the surrounding characters.

You think Kid did no damage because you cannot believe that he could do damage with raw force alone. However that disregards a simple fact:

• Kid has blatantly been shown to be doing damage to BM with raw force

If Punk Corna Dio and Damned Punk could make BM bleed with raw force alone, and Punk crash could make her sacrifice lifespan, then it is entirely possible that the body slam has enough force to hurt kaido.

And absolutely nothing in the manga suggests otherwise.

Fair enough. I remember, during my initial read, the attack seemed ineffective, but I could always be wrong

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Up until 1010:

1. Zoro (MVP)
2. Luffy
3. Law
4. Kidd
5. Killer

But my expectation for Killer exceeded from what I initially expected him to do so that's good.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Zoro MVP
Killer LVP (don't even remember what he did)

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Enma is the MVP since its scared both Kaido and Big Mom and helped Zoro block Hakai and scarred Kaido. ~ According to Haki Master Rootbeer.

LVP is Luffy's coat. It was supposed to make Luffy look stronger but he was koed by Ragnaraku right after Enma tanked Hakai..

 

[Luffy is the mc]

No he couldn't have. Zeus and Prometheus would have just returned to BM if they were teleported away. Which is why they needed a method of keeping Prometheus and Zeus away from BM.
For Prometheus, Zoro was slicing him via his flamerend technique. For Zeus, it was the cage Kid created.

Fundamentally, Kid was a major reason why they were able to separate Kaido from Big Mom and they likely would have been unable to do so without his help.

At the time Luffy was KO'd and Zoro had just taken heavy damage, so the only people who could have really done something was Kid, Killer, and Law.

Kid played a crucial role, not only in trapping Zeus, but also in repelling BM into the sky so Law could knock her off the roof via tact. This was a unique role that only Kid could have played, as NONE of the other members of the roof had powers that could have done this. Zoro can only slash, not repel. Law has tact, but tact doesn't have the raw force that magnetism has. Hence, Kid was the only one who could have knocked BM into the sky and given Law the opening to knock her out.

Wrong, as long as he has a room open Law can just control Zeus, Napoleon and Prometheus too. Tbh he just needed BM in the air to push her off Onigashima, which is something Zoro or Killer could have done as well after we saw that she wasn't that strong to begin with and incompetent as a fighter (pathetic is the word Kaido would use).
Kidd was useless, like I said, he is one of Oda's favourite, like Buggy, he is weak but lucky.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Tbh he just needed BM in the air to push her off Onigashima, which is something Zoro or Killer could have done as well after we saw that she wasn't that strong to begin with and incompetent as a fighter (pathetic is the word Kaido would use).

How can they lift her into the sky when all their techniques are based off slashing?

Wrong, as long as he has a room open Law can just control Zeus, Napoleon and Prometheus too.

But he didn't. He waited until Kid created the box and subsequently needed Zoro to hold prometheus.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

How can they lift her into the sky when all their techniques are based off slashing?

When she fell off Prometheus, there was a window to push her off the island. And they could have just defeated her tbh. She wasn't that strong.

But he didn't. He waited until Kid created the box and subsequently needed Zoro to hold prometheus

Yep because Oda likes Kidd who is one of his fave, but we saw him later moving Zeus without any issue. If he moved Zeus and Prometheus anywhere in Onigashima, they wouldn’t even know what happened to Big Mom since they only act when they see her in danger or when she orders them to.
Plot actually saved BM, that's what he should have done but Oda wanted to go with the team effort.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

When she fell off Prometheus, there was a window to push her off the island. And they could have just defeated her tbh. She wasn't that strong.

Yep because Oda likes Kidd who is one of his fave, but we saw him later moving Zeus without any issue. If he moved Zeus and Prometheus anywhere in Onigashima, they wouldn’t even know what happened to Big Mom since they only act when they see her in danger or when she orders them to.
Plot actually saved BM, that's what he should have done but Oda wanted to go with the team effort.

So we’re going with headcanon then

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kidd or killer. Killer landed one attack on Kaido which was more relevant than Kidd's attacks being internal destruction type. Kidd was more responsible in separating BM

 

[WorstMan]

Just Roofpiece. I've personally got Luffy, but Zoro is a fair shout

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Unarmed Zoro LVP for sure

Legless Sanji LVP
Fruitless Luffy LVP

How are people giving Luffy MVP, only guy who actually (by literal definition of the word) died on the roof LOL

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Filler.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

So we’re going with headcanon then

No we're going with facts. Law could move Zeus therefore he could have done it without Kidd. In case you didn't notice Zeus wasn't with BM at the beginning of the arc and even Onigashima and didn't do shit when she needed him. Napoleon was with BM when she lost her memory and was useless af. Her homies only responds to her orders.
And it's a given Zoro can send BM flying when he can block Hakai. Law could do it alone too anyway. Like I said Oda went for the tag team because he wanted to separate the rooftop fighters.

 

[Rob Luffy]

Kid and Killer were equally lame

 

[DarkKingSlander]

Say no more

:cheers:

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Big Fall > Kid

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Now that you mentioned. MVP is really Zoro with LVP being Enma that nerfed him. Without Enma nerf Zoro would have defeated both Yonkos right there.

Are we talking about base enma or enma with "odens haki" as kaido put it.