Speculations Ryokugyo must be an extremely important character. What is so special about him?

[zenox]

Yamato used adcoc Thunder Bagua and dealt 0 damage, fighting back was pointless. Why else would she call Luffy for help?

not a thunder bagua
just a regular swing and it had gb crying from pain

Neko, Inurashi and Denjiro => King, all 3 of them are YC3

Not to mention the other vet lvl Scabbards that were present which also couldn't do anything against Ryo

luffy and lucci >>> scabbards and they cant do shit to lunarians

they need to know lunarian's weakness , simply adding up manpower wont do shit

king also easily destroys any scabbard if he lands a proper attack
an aoe attack like jackpot can take out half of them

People love posting this, they don't love posting the panel right after where GB instantly regenerates lol

it still fucked him up real good
had gb begging momo to stop

just cause he had to go through a full regeneration process , it doesnt mean momo's blast breathes didnt do anything

if something like that doesnt affect gb in the slightest then he wouldnt have made his fire defense

use some braincells

Dumbass if Momo wasn't about to get stabbed and juiced why the hell did Shanks have to step in? Fucking dumbass lol

and when did i even deny that ?
u urself are making arguments such as scabbards > king
and since scabbards got bodied by gb ( injured scabbards btw ) , it means a healthy king would get bodied just like that too

first of all , onepiece isnt a>B>c type of powerscaling especially using characters with insane HAX like king

greenbul > injured scabbards + momo also doesnt mean shit

gb also low diffing an injured king doesnt mean he can do the same to a healthy version
it will be a good fight considering gb will have to figure out his weakness
and king is also a very bad matchup

 

[mly90]

He will get redeemed he intro in wano was so badass

 

[Juanpiz]

Has just few scenes
Among most controversial characters

 

[RyoQ]

not a thunder bagua
just a regular swing and it had gb crying from pain

It had black lightning and it didn't even make him bleed lol

Wanna know who bled tho?

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The image you posted isn't equivalent, Luffy was attacking whereas Greenbull was not defending himself

AND Luffy was bleeding. Greenbull was clean and ate that attack lol

luffy and lucci >>> scabbards and they cant do shit to lunarians

Those Lunarians also couldn't do anything to Luffy and Lucci, unless they turned their defense off in which case Luffy and Lucci would have won

Against Inu, Neko and Denjiro, King would have to turn off his durability at some point in order to blitz them in which case he would be left vulnerable

He can have speed, or defense, not both and narratively the gap between YC1 and YC3 is no more than double

it still fucked him up real good
had gb begging momo to stop

Begging? Lol. That didn't look like "beginning"

Looked more like a Dad on the bleachers surprised that a kid on the enemy team managed to hit a home run lol, Greenbull calls Momo "kid" and "brat" clearly doesn't respect him lol

it doesnt mean momo's blast breathes didnt do anything

It does, just like Gorosei regenerating from every attack so far, just like Luffy using G4 just to destroy a single biscuit

We've only seen Kaido and Momo be able to use 1 blast breath at a time, we don't even know the extent of how many times GB can regenerate or if he can regenerate + branch swarm at the same time

and when did i even deny that ?

That means it's irrelevant what Momo did because he was crying and about to get stabbed so why use his lucky shot as some feat against Greenbull. If anything it just showed how busted the plant logia is that it can regenerate itself

> king
and since scabbards got bodied by gb ( injured scabbards btw ) , it means a healthy king would get bodied just like that too

Scabbards weren't injured, Scabbards + Yamato + Momo is a far stronger force than a single King so yes we can infer GB would win

first of all , onepiece isnt a>B>c type of powerscaling especially using characters with insane HAX like king

Oda nerfed King's "hax" by making him a slow and easy target in exchange for the defense, blame Oda not me

gb also low diffing an injured king doesnt mean he can do the same to a healthy version
it will be a good fight considering gb will have to figure out his weakness
and king is also a very bad matchup

Here are the facts
1. Greenbull HIMSELF stated "mere" Commanders are no match for Admirals, and it would be an embarrassment if they beat one. This implies a sizeable gap which means they get low-mid diffed

2. The only flame user who would pose a problem would be Sabo or Akainu, as these fighters have sustained fire attacks

Most of King's flame moves, on the other hand, are relegated to one-time big finisher moves, after which Greenbull could simply regenerate afterwards and then proceed to strangle and stab

King is actually a poor matchup when you consider that he has either durability but is slow and gets strangled and slowly drained, or he has speed but eventually gets caught and is readily punctured

greenbul > injured scabbards + momo also doesnt mean shit

And no they weren't injured, they were fine

 

[zenox]

It had black lightning and it didn't even make him bleed lol

Wanna know who bled tho?

black lightning doesnt mean thunder bagua
thunder bagua is her signature attack
an actual move which isnt name-less swinging

Yamato used adcoc Thunder Bagua and dealt 0 damage,

The image you posted isn't equivalent, Luffy was attacking whereas Greenbull was not defending himself

AND Luffy was bleeding. Greenbull was clean and ate that attack lol

went from " 0 damage " to " he wasnt even defending himself "

Begging? Lol. That didn't look like "beginning"

Looked more like a Dad on the bleachers surprised that a kid on the enemy team managed to hit a home run lol, Greenbull calls Momo "kid" and "brat" clearly doesn't respect him lol

Those Lunarians also couldn't do anything to Luffy and Lucci, unless they turned their defense off in which case Luffy and Lucci would have won

that reflects on their fighting style
s-kuma is very different to king in fighting style

their defense ( invincibility ) remains the same while the way they fight is different
i am solely focusing on their defense right now

Against Inu, Neko and Denjiro, King would have to turn off his durability at some point in order to blitz them in which case he would be left vulnerable

not at fuckin all
king can fight just fine and even blitz them while having flames on

flames on king was able to dodge koh zoro's attack

Even fuckin lucci got blitzed by an inferior non-koh attack

if u think king cant blitz jack-level opponents while having flames on , then idk which manga u reading
the scabbards are garbage compared to king in 1 on 1 fight

king far outclasses them in skill

He can have speed, or defense, not both and narratively the gap between YC1 and YC3 is no more than double

katakuri either has worse
- defense than cracker
- speed
pick ur poison

i am not gonna entertain stupid headcanons like these

It does, just like Gorosei regenerating from every attack so far, just like Luffy using G4 just to destroy a single biscuit

then would u kindly care to tell me why
- greenbul was yelling in pain
- begging momo to stop
- make a fire-proof defense

if fire doesnt even do anything to him since he can regen ?

We've only seen Kaido and Momo be able to use 1 blast breath at a time, we don't even know the extent of how many times GB can regenerate or if he can regenerate + branch swarm at the same time

doesnt matter , he still got affected

That means it's irrelevant what Momo did because he was crying and about to get stabbed so why use his lucky shot as some feat against Greenbull.

he then manned up and fucked gb with blast breath , u literally see the entire sequence
reread the fight

If anything it just showed how busted the plant logia is that it can regenerate itself

its great that gb can regenerate but fire is also its weakness
gb says it himself and thus the fire defense

Scabbards weren't injured, Scabbards + Yamato + Momo is a far stronger force than a single King so yes we can infer GB would win

1st of all we should remove yamato since she wasnt willing to fight
2nd of all , they were injured

shanks literally says they were exhausted

the entire fight was dirty from shanks' perspective cause the alliance was exhausted

u can literally see their injuries , poor kawamatsu is covering his eye ffs

and 3rd of all as i stated

first of all , onepiece isnt a>B>c type of powerscaling especially using characters with insane HAX like king

lucci and luffy will absolutely fold the scabbards yet they will have trouble fighting king cause of his hax
same with gb

Oda nerfed King's "hax" by making him a slow and easy target in exchange for the defense, blame Oda not me

not at all , it just made him a little bit slower

its not like flames on king was getting blitzed left and right by zoro lol
i alrdy posted the onigiri panel above

1. Greenbull HIMSELF stated "mere" Commanders are no match for Admirals, and it would be an embarrassment if they beat one. This implies a sizeable gap which means they get low-mid diffed

gb stating something doesnt mean its factual , the guy in itself is a huge fuckin clown
his fellow kuzan is also a " mere commander " yet kuzan gives him a good fight and possibly even wins

these statements do not work on injured king

fuckin yonko luffy was having trouble with king's hax
yonko luffy who is many times stronger than admirals

even g5 cant make luffy penetrate lunarian invincibility

everyone and their mom will struggle against king just cause of his lunarian HAX
gb isnt an exception

2. The only flame user who would pose a problem would be Sabo or Akainu, as these fighters have sustained fire attacks

and momonusuke

comeon , u are just denying the manga now

Most of King's flame moves, on the other hand, are relegated to one-time big finisher moves, after which Greenbull could simply regenerate

the attacks still severely effect gb since fire is a big weakness

afterwards and then proceed to strangle and stab

and do what ? 0 damage + jackpot ??

gb will have to fight clever against king , u cant beat king by just overpowering him

King is actually a poor matchup when you consider that he has either durability but is slow and gets strangled and slowly drained, or he has speed but eventually gets caught and is readily punctured

all in ur head buddy

i have alrdy provided the feats and portrayal regarding this , king just becomes a little faster
but rest of the time he is the same

And no they weren't injured, they were fine

care to tell me why kawamatsu's eye is covered if he isnt injured ?

 

[RyoQ]

not a thunder bagua
just a regular swing and it had gb crying from pain

Right, and this wasn't a jet pistol

Shit argument, its 2024 and we are still using this logic? We literally see the black lightning streaks

went from " 0 damage " to " he wasnt even defending himself "

I know you're unable to properly detect a contradiction in language; this is not one of them.

He took 0 damage, and he also did not defend himself like Luffy was, meaning if he did defend himself he wouldn't have even felt the attack at all.

Why would he beg "stop" if he knew he could just regenerate a moment later?

GB is a drama-queen, he screamed against Raizo but knew his flame scroll would amount to nothing.

flames on king was able to dodge koh zoro's attack

Not that impressive, he got hit many times

He's not that fast lol

Point is three YC3's > one YC1

Even fuckin lucci got blitzed by an inferior non-koh attack

All of these are poor examples, Lucci is fast but his reaction speed has never been shown to be above Zoros, Katakuri's, Sanjis, or Zoros

King flame-off has never been shown to be faster than Zoro, Katakuri, Sanji or Luffy so we can reasonably expect that his "slow" version is slower than all of the above

he then manned up and fucked gb with blast breath , u literally see the entire sequence
reread the fight

Momo was about to get fucked before Yonko Shanks + crew stepped in, whats ur point?

katakuri either has worse
- defense than cracker
- speed
pick ur poison

Not sure what your point is

not at all , it just made him a little bit slower

its not like flames on king was getting blitzed left and right by zoro lol
i alrdy posted the onigiri panel above

So is he only a "little" more defensively strong?

Zoro says little, but its also this little that caused him to eat so many hits afterwards and in a fight against, say, 3 YC3's, it would be enough to seriously injure or kill him

gb stating something doesnt mean its factual , the guy in itself is a huge fuckin clown

"Yes, Oda had GB low-diff commanders and say Admirals >>> Commanders but that isn't true cause GB is a clown"

Good fucking thing we have many other examples of one Admiral >>> commanders

^ YC1 Marco + vets + Crocodile needed to merely stall 1 Admiral

YC getting 1 shotted, and before you say he was caught off-guard, Jozu caught Aokiji off-guard and only got a lip-bleed in ^

YC getting 1-shotted ^

Crippled Admiral off-screens YC ^

^ Crippled depressed Admiral low-diffs Blackbeard's entire crew "ALL MY PEOPLE ARE FROZEN"

then would u kindly care to tell me why
- greenbul was yelling in pain
- begging momo to stop
- make a fire-proof defense

if fire doesnt even do anything to him since he can regen ?

This is a simple pain vs damage distinction

Pain is instantaneous
Damage is lasting

Greenbull felt pain
Greenbull didn't take lasting damage

1st of all we should remove yamato since she wasnt willing to fight

Yamato told Momo to call Luffy and friends, why would she do this if her help would be sufficient?

the entire fight was dirty from shanks' perspective cause the alliance was exhausted

u can literally see their injuries , poor kawamatsu is covering his eye ffs

As such, Greenbull had 0 difficulty in restraining them

The only one he even used his signature stab-move on was Raizo, who attacked him directly, the implication being he could have stabbed all of them but held back

But anyone who can count to 5 could have noticed this the moment GB asked for info, after all he was there for Luffy and not some mere commanders

Greenbull vs Injured Scabbards + Yamato was a no-diff, against healthy Scabbards + Yamato it would have been a low-diff

I don't even think it would have gotten to mid-diff seeing as the Scabbards had no way of damaging him

"Does he have ANY weakness?!"

Spoiler alert: Even if they were full-hp, they'd still be "mowin' this grass forever". Greenbull's regen hax has no counter as of now, Lunarian hax does

and momonusuke

comeon , u are just denying the manga now

Greenbull regenerated at 100% hp, and he would have regenerated against King as well

the attacks still severely effect gb since fire is a big weakness

Right but GB can regenerate, whoever he stabs and loses their blood and nutrients cannot

This is Shinobu and Raizo after getting punctured once

and do what ? 0 damage + jackpot ??

Against a character with high defense vs high defense or regen, it becomes a battle of attrition

History and portrayal tell us that in such a fight, the Admiral beats the Commander

Healthy King is a mid-diff at worst due to his durability, the moment it's turned off he does get punctured and drained

all in ur head buddy

i have alrdy provided the feats and portrayal regarding this , king just becomes a little faster
but rest of the time he is the same

Greenbull strangled Yamato who flame-on King has no claim to being faster than

Here is how the fight would go

-King turns on flame, Greenbull summons forest and goes Golem form
-King attacks, GB regens
-King eventually gets strangled, breaks free, gets strangled again, rinse-repeat
-Continuous attacking GB, who keeps regenerating at full HP with no real weakness being discovered
-King likely turns flame-off after some time and avoids getting caught for a while
-Eventually gets caught, drained, and put on a warship to Impel Down

This is likely how GB's fight against Weevil went, it's how a fight against Marco would go, it's how a fight against Katakuri would go, it's how a fight with Zoro would go

A slice here, some resistance there, but eventually ending in a stab and a squeeze

All Commanders get low to mid-diffed against Admirals, only King is a mid-diff due to his defense which would only delay the inevitable

 

[Loki D. Terror]

GB is much better and fujitora and Lizaru.

 

[zenox]

Right, and this wasn't a jet pistol

u can clearly see its a jet pistol from the stance

the stance where yamato hit gb doesnt match a thunder bagua's stance at all
Care to tell me how these are similar ?

We literally see the black lightning streaks

thats just haki lmao , are u autistic

is this a thunder bagua too ?

I know you're unable to properly detect a contradiction in language; this is not one of them.

He took 0 damage, and he also did not defend himself like Luffy was, meaning if he did defend himself he wouldn't have even felt the attack at all.

0 damage means not even feeling an attack
what are u waffling abt
funny how u tell me i unable to detect a contradiction but u are saying this

Why would he beg "stop" if he knew he could just regenerate a moment later?

ask gb that himself

he was literally sweating and looking scared while telling momo to stop

this isnt some kind of trolling from him

he screamed against Raizo but knew his flame scroll would amount to nothing.

cause he used his fire defense lol , there is a reason he used that

Momo was about to get fucked before Yonko Shanks + crew stepped in, whats ur point?

my point has been same all the time

its great that gb can regenerate but fire is also its weakness

the attacks still severely effect gb since fire is a big weakness

fire being gb's big weakness

Not that impressive, he got hit many times

He's not that fast lol

wow he got hit by zoro , lets make him slower than jack

Point is three YC3's > one YC1

i have been calling that irrelevant cause of king's hax
are u even reading the convo
these are 2 yc3 ++ fighting a lunarian btw

luffy and lucci >>> scabbards and they cant do shit to lunarians

they need to know lunarian's weakness , simply adding up manpower wont do shit

u are making me repeat my point

"Yes, Oda had GB low-diff commanders and say Admirals >>> Commanders but that isn't true cause GB is a clown"

gonna ignore this ?

his fellow kuzan is also a " mere commander " yet kuzan gives him a good fight and possibly even wins

these statements do not work on injured king

Good fucking thing we have many other examples of one Admiral >>> commanders

^ YC1 Marco + vets + Crocodile needed to merely stall 1 Admiral

the admiral also had lots of marines as his backup ?

and the only wb pirate who lost there was this guy ?

marco and vista were unscathed btw

YC getting 1 shotted, and before you say he was caught off-guard, Jozu caught Aokiji off-guard and only got a lip-bleed in ^

YC getting 1-shotted ^

Crippled Admiral off-screens YC ^

^ Crippled depressed Admiral low-diffs Blackbeard's entire crew "ALL MY PEOPLE ARE FROZEN"

i dont give a flying fuck abt non-yc1s getting folded

This is a simple pain vs damage distinction

Pain is instantaneous
Damage is lasting

Greenbull felt pain
Greenbull didn't take lasting damage

heaadcanon going crazy

Yamato told Momo to call Luffy and friends, why would she do this if her help would be sufficient?

cause momo literally denied her help ?
lol are u even reading

As such, Greenbull had 0 difficulty in restraining them

The only one he even used his signature stab-move on was Raizo, who attacked him directly, the implication being he could have stabbed all of them but held back

But anyone who can count to 5 could have noticed this the moment GB asked for info, after all he was there for Luffy and not some mere commanders

Greenbull vs Injured Scabbards + Yamato was a no-diff, against healthy Scabbards + Yamato it would have been a low-diff

more insane headcanons lmao

"Does he have ANY weakness?!"

Spoiler alert: Even if they were full-hp, they'd still be "mowin' this grass forever". Greenbull's regen hax has no counter as of now,

spoiler alert :

Spoiler: gb not having a weakness

Greenbull regenerated at 100% hp, and he would have regenerated against King as well

being at 100% hp is another headcanon

u just throwing it left and right

Right but GB can regenerate, whoever he stabs and loses their blood and nutrients cannot

This is Shinobu and Raizo after getting punctured once

thats actually really good but u keep moving away from the debate
i have alrdy said a>B>C is not the way to powerscale here

Against a character with high defense vs high defense or regen, it becomes a battle of attrition

History and portrayal tell us that in such a fight, the Admiral beats the Commander

ok , its a battle of attrition now

Healthy King is a mid-diff at worst due to his durability, the moment it's turned off he does get punctured and drained

well i am glad that u now think a healthy king vs gb is a mid diff atleast ( this is with u still not seeing fire as gb's weakness lol )

and not a neg diff like ur initial post portrayed

Greenbull strangled Yamato who flame-on King has no claim to being faster than

she wasnt even fighting lol

Here is how the fight would go

-King turns on flame, Greenbull summons forest and goes Golem form
-King attacks, GB regens
-King eventually gets strangled, breaks free, gets strangled again, rinse-repeat
-Continuous attacking GB, who keeps regenerating at full HP with no real weakness being discovered
-King likely turns flame-off after some time and avoids getting caught for a while
-Eventually gets caught, drained, and put on a warship to Impel Down

another essay of headcanons

This is likely how GB's fight against Weevil went, it's how a fight against Marco would go, it's how a fight against Katakuri would go, it's how a fight with Zoro would go

A slice here, some resistance there, but eventually ending in a stab and a squeeze

All Commanders get low to mid-diffed against Admirals, only King is a mid-diff due to his defense which would only delay the inevitable

pls show me actual points from the fuckin manga itself and stop throwing around headcanons left and right

the only legit yc1 vs admiral fight happened in marineford

 

[RyoQ]

u can clearly see its a jet pistol from the stance

the stance where yamato hit gb doesnt match a thunder bagua's stance at all
Care to tell me how these are similar ?

The one you sent is a club with AdCoC lightning, the one against Ryo is a club with AdCoC lightning, what the fuck is the difference lol

And then you sent a projectile attack hitting Hacha, that is an obvious difference because it's a fast rock hitting him not an adcoc infused club

0 damage means not even feeling an attack
what are u waffling abt
funny how u tell me i unable to detect a contradiction but u are saying this

Let me guess all of these did damage (Kaido felt pain)

Fucking dumbass lol Oda didn't have GB show any blood or bruising or any lasting damage, anytime you show that panel it's only making GB look tanky which is how everyone without a bias percieved it

this isnt some kind of trolling from him

You're missing the point which is that GB can still have the advantage over fire users such as Momo, who was quite literally about to get skewered before Shanks stepped in to save them

wow he got hit by zoro , lets make him slower than jack

Fast King isn't any faster than other YC1-range characters, slowed down he becomes slower than most of them especially Kata, Sanji, Zoro, Lucci

This is narratively the case so that Oda could show off flame-on King's tankiness, as I said King cannot be overly fast AND overly tanky, it's one or the other Oda wrote it this way

But again Zoro wankers do not observe portrayal

king's hax

Against YC1 Zoro, he had to turn off flame, against 3 other Yonko Commanders he likely would as well

I know it's shitty that Oda nerfed Kings durability hax by making it an on-off switch but you should take your anger out on him not me lol

the admiral also had lots of marines as his backup

Marines to fight WB fodder, Admiral to fight all the commanders. Big nuance here thanks for pointing it out 👍

spoiler alert :

None of them can use fire and as I said GB can kill fire-users, he was about to kill Momo before Shanks stepped in

being at 100% hp is another headcanon

Visually he was at 100%, he had no damage, he regenerated. Why the hell would we assume he would respawn at less health when we know he can heal himself?

i have alrdy said a>B>C is not the way to powerscale here

I agree, that's why GB low-diffs other YC1 but mid-diffs King, assuming King leaves his flame-on the entire fight

well i am glad that u now think a healthy king vs gb is a mid diff atleast ( this is with u still not seeing fire as gb's weakness lol )

and not a neg diff like ur initial post portrayed

Meanwhile your original post says King wins lol, bunch of shit I've demonstrated why it's a mid-diff and this point will become even more clear once time passes and we see the rest of what GB can do

We have seen everything King can do, we have only seen the very minimum GB can do, it's possible he has some hax of his own that we have yet to see that will change King being a mid-diff into a low-diff

she wasnt even fighting lol

Momo said don't fight, he never said don't dodge

another essay of headcanons

Not throwing pearl before swine anymore, if you think the fight would go any other way be my guest but yes it would be an endurance battle and history shows the Admiral would defeat the Commander

pls show me actual points from the fuckin manga itself and stop throwing around headcanons left and right

the only legit yc1 vs admiral fight happened in marineford

Yeah, and what happened during that "legit" fight

It was mercilessly one-sided because Oda has placed Admirals far above above "mere" YCs, yes YC1s as well

Commanders cannot do jack diddly against an Admiral, this is history, this is the narrative

Oda has given unique prestige to this class of fighters since Enies Lobby, mere Yonko Commanders are mid-series fighters who have already been powercrept; meanwhile we have yet to see even a single Admiral go all-out, and the moment they try, Shanks and his crew is forced to intervene