Powers & Abilities Ryuo is just Advanced Haki

[Darkoplax]

Please correct me if i'm wrong or if i missed something here but Ryuo isn't something super special that's only tied to Wano and an ability that's literally ONLY MADE TO HURT KAIDO and nothing else.


Just like in Sky islands where they call Observation Haki Mantra and it's a bit stronger/advanced there from what we've seen in the rest of the world (generally) , Ryuo is the same for Wano it's Advanced Armement Haki that you could master more easily if you used a sword and that's why it's prominent in Wano as a concept.


Like for all we know Katakuri back in WCI when he and Luffy punched each other (Block Mochi) and Luffy gets hurt from it that could've been Advanced Armement Haki aka Ryuo, so i'm really struggling to understand why ppl saying the Scabbards shouldn't have Ryuo cause it's too special or whatever

 

[Formerly Seth]

I think we had a similar thread in the past. It was heated a little because of Oda's zero fuck given about giving us a normal explanation about Ryuo.

Ryuo is just Haki. It's like Skypiea people called CoO a Mantra right.

For me, Ryuo is hmm how to say this. Bit more advanced Haki but is it pure advanced Armament?

Hmm. Doubt.

 

[HA001]

Ryou isnt just coa.
Its the flowing haki. The advanced one.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Ryou isnt just coa.
Its the flowing haki. The advanced one.

It's debatable as I said due to Oda's lack of explanation.

From what we've got in the Manga till this point ( I read up to 990 ) people of Wano just call Haki a Ryuo and for them the idea of flowing Haki is just a normal thing.

It would be too op if random fodder samurais could go out there and spam advanced CoA, doesn't it?

 

[zaman]

My understanding is that it's also a COA ++ that everybody that is gifted in it can reach.
It won't be the case if Katakuri was the only one - with luffy - to have FS, but because in the Flashback Ray did FS it to us, then it isn't.

 

[Formerly Seth]

My understanding is that it's also a COA ++ that everybody that is gifted in it can reach.
It won't be the case if Katakuri was the only one - with luffy - to have FS, but because in the Flashback Ray did FS it to us, then it isn't.

People of Wano who are fighters are mostly Samurai so the idea of flowing haki is normal for them as let's say Marine fodders training martial arts.

I don't think it's advanced CoA.

 

[zaman]

People of Wano who are fighter are mostly Samurai so the idea of flowing haki is normal for them as let's say Marine fodders training martial arts.

I don't think it's advanced CoA.

I think you are giving too much IQ for such a technique, it isn't HxH, it's ODA. So if, imo, others than samurai can have it, then it's just advanced COA, if anybody beside them have it it isn't.
but since, Roger and WB had it without ever needing to come to Wano for it then it's accessible to all.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Why can't people understand that Oden gas Physical strength and Haki. He had both which is why his attack far surpasses the scabbards.

 

[Gauntlet]

Always found it to be the offensive usage of Barrier/Emission Armament.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It's not advanced Haki. We are literally told that Ryou is just the name for Haki in Wano....

Hyogoro has Koka.... Do people think they call that something other than Ryou?

 

[CbShadow]

In Wano they don't use the word haki, they used the word ryuo. They use that for everything related to CoA haki. Since they are swordsmen for them to be able to use haki with their fighting style they have to learn advanced haki when they first learn haki. If not, they won't be able to add haki to their swords.

Advanced Haki is flowing haki from the body. So anything related to that is advanced haki. IE: releasing haki from your body to attack a opponent with or adding haki to a sword.

Hyou further explains to us that ryuo or haki can be used defensively like a suit of armor for protection or can use offesively by increasing the effectiveness of an attack. Haki can even be used at a level beyond that by using it to penetrate an object to destroy it from within.

So if someone is talking about ryuo they are talking about advanced haki.

With all of that said, that doesn't mean everyones ryuo or haki are the same level.

What Katakuri did during his battle with Luffy was not ryuo. He just produced a stronger/harder blacken haki. To understand that think about the difference between iron and steel. They both are a type of metal and are strong but steel is stronger than iron. Katakuri's haki would be like steel and Luffy's haki like iron. This is a good example showing that not everyones haki are the same level.

Based on this information, I'm really start to question why Kadio has never been hurt before, not including Oden of course. Unless Oda it's trying to tell us that there isn't a marine that has haki close to Oden or his scabbard level. That just sound like bad plot to me.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Apapapa check it out: no one who uses the term Ryuo also uses the term Haki. Hyo strictly says (in translations at least) that what they call Haki must be Ryuo... it's like "mantra" as a term.

In Wano they don't use the word haki, they used the word ryuo. They use that for everything related to CoA haki. Since they are swordsmen for them to be able to use haki with their fighting style they have to learn advanced haki when they first learn haki. If not, they won't be able to add haki to their swords.

Advanced Haki is flowing haki from the body. So anything related to that is advanced haki. IE: releasing haki from your body to attack a opponent with or adding haki to a sword.

Hyou further explains to us that ryuo or haki can be used defensively like a suit of armor for protection or can use offesively by increasing the effectiveness of an attack. Haki can even be used at a level beyond that by using it to penetrate an object to destroy it from within.

So if someone is talking about ryuo they are talking about advanced haki.

With all of that said, that doesn't mean everyones ryuo or haki are the same level.

What Katakuri did during his battle with Luffy was not ryuo. He just produced a stronger/harder blacken haki. To understand that think about the difference between iron and steel. They both are a type of metal and are strong but steel is stronger than iron. Katakuri's haki would be like steel and Luffy's haki like iron. This is a good example showing that not everyones haki are the same level.

Based on this information, I'm really start to question why Kadio has never been hurt before, not including Oden of course. Unless Oda it's trying to tell us that there isn't a marine that has haki close to Oden or his scabbard level. That just sound like bad plot to me.

Kaido hasn't been hurt *like* Oden hurt him, but he's obviously been hurt before. Remember that he's been defeated seven times. Even though he came out on top, if we count his performance against Oden that still pretty much means six other fights. It's possible for the likes of Big Mom, Whitebeard, Garp, Sengoku, and Roger to win without leaving a deep scar.

And of course we understand that such a thing is based on emotion, right? Why Zoro was ripped apart in his fight with Daz but still maintains the one torso scar. Luffy's been impaled by three other guys, never mind other injuries, but Akainu and that childhood knife wound are the ones that lasted.

 

[sanjikun]

Ryou is just Haki (any type of it). We use Ryou to mean "Flowing Haki" because saying "Flowing Haki" is tedious.

I think we had a similar thread in the past. It was heated a little because of Oda's zero fuck given about giving us a normal explanation about Ryuo.

Ryuo is just Haki. It's like Skypiea people called CoO a Mantra right.

For me, Ryuo is hmm how to say this. Bit more advanced Haki but is it pure advanced Armament?

Hmm. Doubt.

Honestly, man. This Haki shit is getting on my nerves. So inconsistent.

Like what type of Haki are Scabbards using? Hyogoro type, or Rayleigh type? 0 explanation. First it's like Oden's haki. Then it's not. We don't even know what type of Haki Oden had.

If advanced CoA = internal damage, why did Kaido have an external scar? That's on the surface. All so fucking confusing.

 

[ranady]

Haki encompasses ryuo, but ryuo doesn't encompass haki.

People in wano call armament haki as ryuo, just like people in skypiea call observation haki as mantra. Mantra, based on what is shown on manga, encompasses the ability to read movement and ability to feel presence whom Are CoO ability. So we need to see what their citizen believe about mantra.

I guess it works the same with ryuo. So far from what is shown, ryuo is always oriented to the ability to send flowing haki, which in advanced usage it could destroy stuff inside-out and cut anything yet nothing (for swordsman).

And let's remember that hyogoro also knows koka, we can see that when he explained to Luffy difference between regular koka and penetration haki. And we all know the same hyogoro said that what outsiders call 'haki', wano people call it 'ryuo'.

And there's also panel where states that hyogoro covered his head with ryuo when big mom sent Luffy and hyo flying. The ryuo hyo implied could be the hardening one.

So my take is, ryuo isn't only advanced CoA. It also encompasses hardening CoA. It's just the way wano people call haki (CoA), like mantra (CoO) in skypiea

 

[Darkoplax]

It's not advanced Haki. We are literally told that Ryou is just the name for Haki in Wano....

Hyogoro has Koka.... Do people think they call that something other than Ryou?

In Wano they don't use the word haki, they used the word ryuo. They use that for everything related to CoA haki. Since they are swordsmen for them to be able to use haki with their fighting style they have to learn advanced haki when they first learn haki. If not, they won't be able to add haki to their swords.

Advanced Haki is flowing haki from the body. So anything related to that is advanced haki. IE: releasing haki from your body to attack a opponent with or adding haki to a sword.

Hyou further explains to us that ryuo or haki can be used defensively like a suit of armor for protection or can use offesively by increasing the effectiveness of an attack. Haki can even be used at a level beyond that by using it to penetrate an object to destroy it from within.

So if someone is talking about ryuo they are talking about advanced haki.

With all of that said, that doesn't mean everyones ryuo or haki are the same level.

What Katakuri did during his battle with Luffy was not ryuo. He just produced a stronger/harder blacken haki. To understand that think about the difference between iron and steel. They both are a type of metal and are strong but steel is stronger than iron. Katakuri's haki would be like steel and Luffy's haki like iron. This is a good example showing that not everyones haki are the same level.

Based on this information, I'm really start to question why Kadio has never been hurt before, not including Oden of course. Unless Oda it's trying to tell us that there isn't a marine that has haki close to Oden or his scabbard level. That just sound like bad plot to me.

thanks for the detailed response , this helps a lot so Ryuo isn't anything special/random that's only made up just for Kaido and it was foreshadowed before

(my question would obviously be why Rayleigh hasn't trained Luffy this in that 2 year but Hyogoro did it in 2 weeks but whatever)

Apapapa check it out: no one who uses the term Ryuo also uses the term Haki. Hyo strictly says (in translations at least) that what they call Haki must be Ryuo... it's like "mantra" as a term.
Kaido hasn't been hurt *like* Oden hurt him, but he's obviously been hurt before. Remember that he's been defeated seven times. Even though he came out on top, if we count his performance against Oden that still pretty much means six other fights. It's possible for the likes of Big Mom, Whitebeard, Garp, Sengoku, and Roger to win without leaving a deep scar.

And of course we understand that such a thing is based on emotion, right? Why Zoro was ripped apart in his fight with Daz but still maintains the one torso scar. Luffy's been impaled by three other guys, never mind other injuries, but Akainu and that childhood knife wound are the ones that lasted.

really good point about the scars there seem to be huge inconsistency with this , i'm rewatching OP and i still don't get how Luffy doesn't have a scar from fighting Croco ...

Kaido probably could recover from his most injuries since he's a Zoan but the one Oden did was a bit special i guess so the myth that Kaido is unkillable isn't about piercing him which seems really doable but about straight up finishing him (which also begs the question why BM isn't dubbed as unkillable cause her resistances are the most absurd rn in the series)

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

It's the same as Mantra in Skypiea, Ryou = Armament Haki
And Armament Haki has 3 techniques/skills/whatever:
-Armor
-Emision
-Internal
That's all.

 

[Finalbeta]

Please correct me if i'm wrong or if i missed something here but Ryuo isn't something super special that's only tied to Wano and an ability that's literally ONLY MADE TO HURT KAIDO and nothing else.


Just like in Sky islands where they call Observation Haki Mantra and it's a bit stronger/advanced there from what we've seen in the rest of the world (generally) , Ryuo is the same for Wano it's Advanced Armement Haki that you could master more easily if you used a sword and that's why it's prominent in Wano as a concept.


Like for all we know Katakuri back in WCI when he and Luffy punched each other (Block Mochi) and Luffy gets hurt from it that could've been Advanced Armement Haki aka Ryuo, so i'm really struggling to understand why ppl saying the Scabbards shouldn't have Ryuo cause it's too special or whatever

Well Ryuo can be used by a lot of Wano samurais. It isn't something so top-class by itself, BUT, Ryuo has different stages as well from my understanding. Not every Ryuo user is on the same level which is something and that is the point about Oden's haki being powerful enough to permanently scar Kaido so easily.

 

[trav]

ryou = aura haki

both able to damage Kaido.
its the same as Luffy just now learned. it has the same effects.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

thanks for the detailed response , this helps a lot so Ryuo isn't anything special/random that's only made up just for Kaido and it was foreshadowed before

(my question would obviously be why Rayleigh hasn't trained Luffy this in that 2 year but Hyogoro did it in 2 weeks but whatever)




really good point about the scars there seem to be huge inconsistency with this , i'm rewatching OP and i still don't get how Luffy doesn't have a scar from fighting Croco ...

Kaido probably could recover from his most injuries since he's a Zoan but the one Oden did was a bit special i guess so the myth that Kaido is unkillable isn't about piercing him which seems really doable but about straight up finishing him (which also begs the question why BM isn't dubbed as unkillable cause her resistances are the most absurd rn in the series)

Rayliegh train Luffy for 6 months, the rest of the time Luffy hone his skills alone

 

[HA001]

Rayliegh train Luffy for 6 months, the rest of the time Luffy hone his skills alone

I thought he left 6 months early. Not trained him for 6 months.