Break Week Sanji has what Zoro needed in Wano
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Dude the disrespect of Oda when Zoros big fight post timeskip, his fight that awakened his conquerors haki, his fight in a samurai themed arc… was written as a fight between Kaidos right hand and Luffys right hand.
Like could oda not relate anything to Zoros actual character accept he promised luffy.
Meanwhile Sanjis relates back to his backstory, a side dream he’s mentioned since post timeskip, and his vows as a character.
And Luffys related back to his dream, his ideals, and his destiny.
Like could oda not relate anything to Zoros actual character accept he promised luffy.
Meanwhile Sanjis relates back to his backstory, a side dream he’s mentioned since post timeskip, and his vows as a character.
And Luffys related back to his dream, his ideals, and his destiny.
Sanji is the better written character regardless of likability.
Writing post ts Zoro can be done by a 10 year old after the main elements of his character have been estabilished.
"I'll become even stronger"
"I promised Luffy"
-Random edgy talk
-Usual trash talk
Pre timeskip Zoro was solid, the one liners he'd throw were great and he did have a systematic approach to his dream separate from the crew while still maintaing a good relationship with the rest, now there's really no content to his character besides strength. Strength is great but at least explore how this character is grounding itself in this path and have him follow it separately from his position as RHM of the crew, and to make it worse his interactions with the rest of the crew are pretty dull.
Sanji was far better pre ts too but still there is something going on for him even though I don't enjoy it.
Zoro should leave the SHs and join the marines, that'd make him a much better character.
Writing post ts Zoro can be done by a 10 year old after the main elements of his character have been estabilished.
"I'll become even stronger"
"I promised Luffy"
-Random edgy talk
-Usual trash talk
Pre timeskip Zoro was solid, the one liners he'd throw were great and he did have a systematic approach to his dream separate from the crew while still maintaing a good relationship with the rest, now there's really no content to his character besides strength. Strength is great but at least explore how this character is grounding itself in this path and have him follow it separately from his position as RHM of the crew, and to make it worse his interactions with the rest of the crew are pretty dull.
Sanji was far better pre ts too but still there is something going on for him even though I don't enjoy it.
Zoro should leave the SHs and join the marines, that'd make him a much better character.
The one chapter of Zoro unlocking KoH was better written character writing than anything Sanji has gotten post-skip.
Unlocking KoH took everything we knew about Zoro over the decades and tied it up together.
Sanji and Germa required Oda to pull the atrocious Vinsmoke family out of his ass and suddenly turn Sanji into a tormented saint with crippling self-worth issues. It was a terrible attempt to recapture the formula that had been so successful with Nami, Robin and to an extent Law. Complete with “you will find people who love you” and his own “i want to live.” But we had already seen it done before, and done better.
But those three‘s stories worked because the characters and the plotlines unfolded naturally from their introductions. We knew Nami hated pirates from the beginning, didn’t trust them, we wanted to know why, got Arlong Park to explain. We knew Robin was wanted since she was a child, had a dream the world hated, wanted to kill herself in Alabasta, for the EL and we found out why. We knew Law had a relationship with the Ds, helped Luffy despite being his enemy, then we got buildup with Doffy in PH.
Where was the buildup for Sanji’s story? Didn’t exist, other than an offhand mention of being born in North Blue. Any sign that Sanji had deep seated trauma from his childhood before we got to Zou? Nope. WCI couldn’t even give a good reason for Sanji’s woman hangup, it’s something Zeff literally beat into him? That just makes Zeff retrospectively worse. Any sign that Sanji hated royalty or immoral scientists or anything like that? Nope.
And then we did have the arc the entire thing was redundant. We knew, from the very beginning, that nothing would change. There was no chance of Oda ever doing something interesting and the arc ending in any way other than Sanji coming back to the Strawhats.
With Nami it was still early in the series, the first big rescue arc, so everyone could enjoy the ride.
With Robin, Oda genuinely did something a bit different throughout because he had the crew literally falling apart at the seams throughout.
By the time we got to Sanji we knew Oda too well and there was no chance of any interesting change. Not 800 chapters in.
Then came the actual arc, and Germa were just so amazingly, incredibly, dull. Terrible, terrible characters. Judge, what happens if you take Caeser and rip out every bit of personality. Huey, Dewey and Louie, who had exactly one personality trait each (arrogant, snarky, stupid). Reiju and Sora, who were women so Oda made them good, how thrilling and unexpected. The flashbacks only work when they have interesting characters to bounce off. That‘s why the Zeff flashback is so good. Germa did not have one interesting character in it.
Then we got to Wano, and the entire fucking fake dilemma had to be repeated again. “Oh god, does Luffy want me to be a kind hearted cook or a cold hearted killer?” We just had an eighty chapter arc that answered that question, never mind the decades of material before it. I’m genuinely amazed so many people bought “evil Sanji”.
Give me Zoro being himself and building on what has came before anyday over Sanji’s melodramatic bullshit. The ending to Wano was, quite obviously, far from perfect, and Zoro’s plotline in particular suffered from it. But I’ll take that any day of the week over Zoro after twenty years suddenly becoming an emotional basketcase crying outside a teenagers bedroom with a by-the-numbers flashback to explain it.
Unlocking KoH took everything we knew about Zoro over the decades and tied it up together.
Sanji and Germa required Oda to pull the atrocious Vinsmoke family out of his ass and suddenly turn Sanji into a tormented saint with crippling self-worth issues. It was a terrible attempt to recapture the formula that had been so successful with Nami, Robin and to an extent Law. Complete with “you will find people who love you” and his own “i want to live.” But we had already seen it done before, and done better.
But those three‘s stories worked because the characters and the plotlines unfolded naturally from their introductions. We knew Nami hated pirates from the beginning, didn’t trust them, we wanted to know why, got Arlong Park to explain. We knew Robin was wanted since she was a child, had a dream the world hated, wanted to kill herself in Alabasta, for the EL and we found out why. We knew Law had a relationship with the Ds, helped Luffy despite being his enemy, then we got buildup with Doffy in PH.
Where was the buildup for Sanji’s story? Didn’t exist, other than an offhand mention of being born in North Blue. Any sign that Sanji had deep seated trauma from his childhood before we got to Zou? Nope. WCI couldn’t even give a good reason for Sanji’s woman hangup, it’s something Zeff literally beat into him? That just makes Zeff retrospectively worse. Any sign that Sanji hated royalty or immoral scientists or anything like that? Nope.
And then we did have the arc the entire thing was redundant. We knew, from the very beginning, that nothing would change. There was no chance of Oda ever doing something interesting and the arc ending in any way other than Sanji coming back to the Strawhats.
With Nami it was still early in the series, the first big rescue arc, so everyone could enjoy the ride.
With Robin, Oda genuinely did something a bit different throughout because he had the crew literally falling apart at the seams throughout.
By the time we got to Sanji we knew Oda too well and there was no chance of any interesting change. Not 800 chapters in.
Then came the actual arc, and Germa were just so amazingly, incredibly, dull. Terrible, terrible characters. Judge, what happens if you take Caeser and rip out every bit of personality. Huey, Dewey and Louie, who had exactly one personality trait each (arrogant, snarky, stupid). Reiju and Sora, who were women so Oda made them good, how thrilling and unexpected. The flashbacks only work when they have interesting characters to bounce off. That‘s why the Zeff flashback is so good. Germa did not have one interesting character in it.
Then we got to Wano, and the entire fucking fake dilemma had to be repeated again. “Oh god, does Luffy want me to be a kind hearted cook or a cold hearted killer?” We just had an eighty chapter arc that answered that question, never mind the decades of material before it. I’m genuinely amazed so many people bought “evil Sanji”.
Give me Zoro being himself and building on what has came before anyday over Sanji’s melodramatic bullshit. The ending to Wano was, quite obviously, far from perfect, and Zoro’s plotline in particular suffered from it. But I’ll take that any day of the week over Zoro after twenty years suddenly becoming an emotional basketcase crying outside a teenagers bedroom with a by-the-numbers flashback to explain it.
Did you read my thoughts?😂
You are completely right!
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...sanji-fan-is-smarter-and-more-arrogant.34580/
@BornInAbyss
But why was your thread closed?? And all the other troll threads about Zoro vs Sanji are still open??
You are completely right!
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...sanji-fan-is-smarter-and-more-arrogant.34580/
@BornInAbyss
But why was your thread closed?? And all the other troll threads about Zoro vs Sanji are still open??
Those are all great ideas but any backstory regarding Wano should have been done during Wano. The arc was almost four years, and Oda couldn’t conclude any of Zoro’s plot lines. The best case for a post Wano flashback would be anything regarding black blades. Zoro knows that a blade can turn permanently black, but he doesn’t know how to obtain it. I would like to see him unlock one during his fight with Mihawk. Anything regarding the Shimotsuki and Zoro should’ve been dealt with during Wano.
