Break Week Sanji has what Zoro needed in Wano

Who is better written?

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#61
Like am I crazy for thinking Sanji has a crippling obsession and the people around him enable it so he never realizes the problem.
He literally calls it a problem himself?? So yeah you are crazy for just ignoring Sanji himself knowing it’s a problem. But he also knows people around him love him despite this weakness. Which again goes back to WCI where judge only saw Sanji for his weaknesses amd Luffy showing he’s the opposite and only sees Sanji for his strengths.
 
#62
There really isn’t, if you die defending something important to you it doesn’t matter if those are your dreams or your vows.

So again, do you think Zoro should live on and give up on his dreams? Cause that’s what you’re asking Sanji to do.

And yeah, Zeff wasn’t joking that he’d kill himself because that’s how he’d take responsibility for his “son.”

Like it was spelled outright in wci.
Sanji's vow is entirely self destructive and it can put those around him in danger.

Compromise doesn't mean beat all women but at least defend yourself when they are trying to kill you.
 
#63
Sanji's vow is entirely self destructive and it can put those around him in danger.

Compromise doesn't mean beat all women but at least defend yourself when they are trying to kill you.
Sanji literally does defend himself, we saw that in WCI and in Ennies Lobby. The problem is he’s too strong. If he defended himself against Black Maria she’d have been hurt which he can’t do. It’s debilitating, that’s what makes it a character flaw. Character flaws are how characters get depth. I don’t get why you hate Sanji having a flaw.
 
#64
He literally calls it a problem himself?? So yeah you are crazy for just ignoring Sanji himself knowing it’s a problem. But he also knows people around him love him despite this weakness. Which again goes back to WCI where judge only saw Sanji for his weaknesses amd Luffy showing he’s the opposite and only sees Sanji for his strengths.
Acknowledging and doing nothing about is not something commendable.

And yes having faith is a beautiful thing but I'm saying since he can deal with the problem instantly he is putting the person he has faith in, into unecessary risk
 
#65
Acknowledging and doing nothing about is not something commendable.

And yes having faith is a beautiful thing but I'm saying since he can deal with the problem instantly he is putting the person he has faith in, into unecessary risk
He’s already done something about it by being willing to accept help. Literally that’s why Black Maria happened was to show that Sanji has learned and he’s willing to accept help from others compared to Kalifla where he tried to fight it off himself.

There’s literally nothing wrong with admitting there are just things you can’t do and allowing others to help you. I don’t get why you think it’s. A bad thing
 
#66
Sanji literally does defend himself, we saw that in WCI and in Ennies Lobby. The problem is he’s too strong. If he defended himself against Black Maria she’d have been hurt which he can’t do. It’s debilitating, that’s what makes it a character flaw. Character flaws are how characters get depth. I don’t get why you hate Sanji having a flaw.
Yes characters can have flaws but a person can dislike a character for how they approach those flaws. I dislike how he doesn't tackle and try to improve them.
 

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#67
I am being serious with this one. Sanji got something Zoro lacks. Thats a full fledged backstory with an dedicated arc to it. I am envious about sanji tbh since he is the better written character. Sure zoro is more badass and shit but thats all. He lacks a background story. His past with kuina is not enough to make zoro a better character. Ofuckingda had his opportunity to create an zoro arc and he fucked up. Come one how can a zoro fanboy not be salty after wano???
Lmao I pray Oda does not do to Zoro what he did to Sanji on WCI.

I'd rather Oda not give Zoro a lick of a backstory or depth from this point on, than attempt to redefine him and destroy his character.
 
#68
He’s already done something about it by being willing to accept help. Literally that’s why Black Maria happened was to show that Sanji has learned and he’s willing to accept help from others compared to Kalifla where he tried to fight it off himself.

There’s literally nothing wrong with admitting there are just things you can’t do and allowing others to help you. I don’t get why you think it’s. A bad thing
It is not a bad thing but if you could avoid the situation that is putting them in danger to begin with I feel like you should.

The fact that this is happening in combat is what is getting to me.
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I know when I can't do something and I am always willing to ask for help so I can improve but if the stakes are physical harm it is different.
 
#69
Yeah im ngl idk what Oda was doing in Wano

He was on autopilot

He literally had the perfect set up too

Zoro on his own journey throughout Wano, Zoro swearing he'd visit Ryuma's grave, the Grim Reaper (whatever tf that was supposed to be), his Shimotsuki lineage/whatever familial ties he has to Wano, avenging Yasuie, inheriting Oden's will through Enma

There was 0 payoff for any of it

I was never a fan of ZKK but looking back on it that would've been SOMETHING

Like it's crazy to think that neither of the blades ended up being significant at all. Ame no Habakiri is known as the snake slayer but it was never used to slay the snake

Denjiro came out of nowhere and was the one to avenge Yasuie even though Zoro/Hiyori swore they'd do it

It was shitty all around tbh
Oda is rushing the story,he set up a bunch of stuff and then cut it out.I hope at least we get more about Kaido and BM from BlackBeard/Xebec Flashback.
 
#71
It is not a bad thing but if you could avoid the situation that is putting them in danger to begin with I feel like you should.

The fact that this is happening in combat is what is getting to me.
That’s literally the only time this can happen. Just like Zoro can’t get lost during a fight; but he does it during the adventures which causes issues for people his friends just like Sanjis inability to kick women does. However, just like with Sanji, the plot will come and fix it.
 
#72
That’s literally the only time this can happen. Just like Zoro can’t get lost during a fight; but he does it during the adventures which causes issues for people his friends just like Sanjis inability to kick women does. However, just like with Sanji, the plot will come and fix it.
Both inconvenience but in a situation where plot conveniences aren't rampant Zoro can take care of himself while Sanji actively wouldn't.

This is my last take on the matter not cause i think I won or something but because I don't think this is something we will agree on and I have to do stuff.
 
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#73
Kaido needs it more than BM lmfao

He has a 2 page flashback

I really don’t know what Oda was doing
So much potential for Wano:
*Kaido flashback.
*Zoro lineage and backstory.
*Zoro visiting Ryuma's grave.
*Jack,Queen,King bounty reveal+proper fight for Jack.
*Nami,Ussop,Chopper,Brook didn't get fights(give them real PUs not fucking Zeus).
*Big Mom pirates didn't do ANYTHING.
*Perospero fight was lame as fuck.
*Actual deaths in extreme battles(most scabbards should have died fighting BMP).
*Tama plot shouldn't have happened,gifters and numbers should have been taken down by the ninjas,minks,samurais.
*Yamato and the armory bombs plot was lame,she should have fought big mom pirates instead.
*WhosWho should have escaped death and maybe joined Kidd,since both want to take out Shanks.Kidd should have increased his crew here.
*Kidd didn't use any kind of haki whatsoever in that damn fight ahhhhhhhh.
*BM should have used Adv.coc more and the bombs should have been part of the plan to take her out since the beginning.
*Marco should have fought the Big mom pirates instead of Queen and King.
*No fake deaths and wasted chapters to get on the fucking roof.
*Aramaki should have raised hell in Wano by the end of the arc after the alliance left.That would be a tragic ending.
*Momo and Yamato should have been captured and the secret of the ancient weapon revealed to the WG.
 
#74
However, just like with Sanji, the plot will come and fix it.
The supposed liability of not hitting women literally has turned into huge advantages for the Strawhats in crucial moments. Sanji still manages to do more than what he needs, and more than what him and the crew should be able to do, by himself.

Dudes lowkey think that dynamic exists for the sake of nothing, like didn't had an agenda with it lol

You certainly have seen someone saying "Omg Robin could've died because of Sanji not beating Khalifa" while ignoring Sanji was getting into the Sea Train, saving Franky and Usopp's ass from CP-9, getting info about what was actually happening while trying to rescue Robin? Luffy and Zoro were trapped in chimneys

Sanji only actually got caught twice by a female twice in the series, against Khalifa and Black Maria, and the approach between both situations and its purposes are a lot different from one another

Viola and Pudding turned into very important allies for Sanji and the crew overall.

Even then Sanji acknowledges in Wano that not being able to properly attack a female opponent might get into Luffy and the crew's way on some situation, and when that time comes its exactly what everyone was asking: Robin getting acknowledged and someone of Sanji's caliber calling for a weaker crewmate's help despite the consequences.

He is one of the very few characters who acknowledges his potential mistakes and weaknesses and changes with it. Oda pushes Sanji to the limit in almost every single aspect of his character, and as one of the main protagonists and most proeminent characters this is very rare and unique.

I feel like the Zoro fans who hate Sanji using the most trivial and easily debunkable stuff (sometimes due to intentional lack of reading or just by playing dumb) simply envy that, because for them Sanji shouldn't have been getting treated so highly by the author, so they need coping mechanisms to deal with the reality such as:

"Hey guys, Sanji is not a Supernova but Zoro is, isn't that CRAZY? It's a really big deal, holy shit!"
 
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#75
Did you read my thoughts?😂
You are completely right!

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...sanji-fan-is-smarter-and-more-arrogant.34580/

@BornInAbyss
But why was your thread closed?? And all the other troll threads about Zoro vs Sanji are still open??
Ask some mods about it I dunno. Maybe the thread was too cringe to be allowed lmao.

About reading your thoughts… This is exactly my problem with zoro. I always thought that zoro needed more backstory and hoped for it in wano when it was baited in wano by oda.
 
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#78
Well we all know it was because he thought Luffy couldn’t beat big mom, and he was right….. fights and clashes have nothing to do with the character however. Sanji gets his fight in Wano with everyone else.
If that was true he wouldn't go back to Luffy after that.
WCI plot was so horrible that we aren't even discussing the main issue for Sanji that was having his family at Baratie threatened and later to save his blood family.
 
#79
What Zoro needs is to be a helpless little bitch that is always crying, always screaming, always begging for help? Funny how not even Lanjitards like this but then we see garbage posts like this.
Zoro does none of that and he still has incels making 50 millions of collages with edited panels, imagine if he did. :kobeha:
 
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