Powers & Abilities Sanji shouldn’t get ACoC ( I say this as a Sanji fan)
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If the WG tried to siege wano, with admirals (as they would), and ryuuma combatted and one shot them, because he's stated to have one every battle in one attack then that automatically gives him a Xebec equivalent feat.
Ryuuma has the power to take out an admiral like Xebec, but Xebec does not possess the same mastery and makes up for it in brute force, Ryuuma would one shot that mf with finesse, even if their power was roughly the same one has abundantly higher combat ability.
People try to downplay Ryuuma because he didn't leave Wano to explore the world, but I say the world came to Wano and Ryuuma defeated it every time.
That's part of why he's stated to have the strongest warrior soul, despite not leaving Wano, he's literally the strongest warrior without having to leave his country, so saying he didn't leave is a mute point. He already surmounted the World and simply kept to his borders.
Exact same thing can be applied to Mihawk not going to Wano, he doesn't have to. He's the strongest in reality either way.
Ryuuma has the power to take out an admiral like Xebec, but Xebec does not possess the same mastery and makes up for it in brute force, Ryuuma would one shot that mf with finesse, even if their power was roughly the same one has abundantly higher combat ability.
People try to downplay Ryuuma because he didn't leave Wano to explore the world, but I say the world came to Wano and Ryuuma defeated it every time.
That's part of why he's stated to have the strongest warrior soul, despite not leaving Wano, he's literally the strongest warrior without having to leave his country, so saying he didn't leave is a mute point. He already surmounted the World and simply kept to his borders.
Exact same thing can be applied to Mihawk not going to Wano, he doesn't have to. He's the strongest in reality either way.
If Haki is will power, then Power of Love appears to represent the strongest of wills: the will to protect loved ones.
Like Haki, love is commonly described as transcending all. Conquering all. This evidently includes the laws of physics.
Sanji has the most notorious physics-defying feat using PoL, but he wasn't the first person to use PoL or to use it to defy the laws of physics - Garp was.
In SBS 62 Oda explicitly confirmed it was not Haki but "love" that Garp used to hurt Luffy, a rubber-man.
In hindsight, it would appear obvious Rouge could only endure her prolonged pregnancy because of PoL.
Vegapunk outright speculated Kuma managed protect Bonney because of it.
Thriller Bark also had a striking example.
I'm sure there are other instances we can speculate over, but the bottom line is that PoL is not only very much real, it's been a real part of One Piece for a very long time.
Fundamentally, I don't think PoL is Conqueror's Haki, but a lot of Conquerors have it because they have powerful wills that extend to those they love. I don't think Rouge or Kuma had CoC but the unyielding love of a parent for their child.
Sanji will likely awaken CoC and PoL will be what allows him to achieve feats with Haki others can't - like destroying lasers.
Like Haki, love is commonly described as transcending all. Conquering all. This evidently includes the laws of physics.
Sanji has the most notorious physics-defying feat using PoL, but he wasn't the first person to use PoL or to use it to defy the laws of physics - Garp was.
In SBS 62 Oda explicitly confirmed it was not Haki but "love" that Garp used to hurt Luffy, a rubber-man.
In hindsight, it would appear obvious Rouge could only endure her prolonged pregnancy because of PoL.
Vegapunk outright speculated Kuma managed protect Bonney because of it.
Thriller Bark also had a striking example.
I'm sure there are other instances we can speculate over, but the bottom line is that PoL is not only very much real, it's been a real part of One Piece for a very long time.
Fundamentally, I don't think PoL is Conqueror's Haki, but a lot of Conquerors have it because they have powerful wills that extend to those they love. I don't think Rouge or Kuma had CoC but the unyielding love of a parent for their child.
Sanji will likely awaken CoC and PoL will be what allows him to achieve feats with Haki others can't - like destroying lasers.
I think Oda has started to diversify the power system. We're getting different types of swordsmanship, whatever power of love is, whatever Shanks did to GB, whatever "observation killing" is, whatever Shakky is doing to men without a DF, etc. We still have yet to fully understand Asura and whether other characters can do something similar (and how it may differ for them). It may be too little, too late for some readers but I don't get the sense that it's all about ACoC or nothing. Kizaru Door Dash diff'd Luffy and we got no indication that he has CoC and we learned that he was mentally conflicted(and therefore had nerfed haki, a very consistent theme in this story if you pay attention). CoC and even haki aren't always the most important factor in fights.
I also don't view ACoC for Sanji as something that would cheapen it. Idk, I think the Straw Hats are a little more important to the story than...the sancity of power-ups. Of course, I don't want his powers to boil down to just ACoC, but I don't think most characters who have ACoC are only ACoC merchants, either.
That being said, Sanji not ever getting CoC is also valid. Zoro isn't 100% Rayleigh and Sanji likely isn't 100% Gaban, either. There are enough things set up in the story and also for Sanji where it won't necessarily be needed. I agree with you that Oda definitely begged the question for Sanji and that we're going to be given an answer on the matter either way.
I also don't view ACoC for Sanji as something that would cheapen it. Idk, I think the Straw Hats are a little more important to the story than...the sancity of power-ups. Of course, I don't want his powers to boil down to just ACoC, but I don't think most characters who have ACoC are only ACoC merchants, either.
That being said, Sanji not ever getting CoC is also valid. Zoro isn't 100% Rayleigh and Sanji likely isn't 100% Gaban, either. There are enough things set up in the story and also for Sanji where it won't necessarily be needed. I agree with you that Oda definitely begged the question for Sanji and that we're going to be given an answer on the matter either way.
My only issue with the Power of love is that it would make Sanji too important to the point where the author is introducing a new power outside the established order of Haki. Think about it, literally everyone uses Haki to bypass immortality regen, but here’s this character who can do literally everything that ACoC does but doesn’t need to conform to the rules every single top tier uses. If Oda does this than Sanji is the single greatest character in the story, that the author would go out of his way to develop an independent power system rivalling ACoC. That he would take the time to implement it to fit a single character. This would be astronomically superior to any other character in the story
Law has an unique power where he could just split a Holy Knight in half to win a fight lol
When Devil Fruits like that exist, it seems preposterous to imply that PoL is too unique and complicated
Also Sanji doesn't have to be the only wielder of PoL nor does it need to be an exact equal to ACoC in every way. Lol
When Devil Fruits like that exist, it seems preposterous to imply that PoL is too unique and complicated
Also Sanji doesn't have to be the only wielder of PoL nor does it need to be an exact equal to ACoC in every way. Lol
His power severes people but that isn't a form of attack in the usual sense as he doesn't hurt them when he does it. Therefore they can't just regen from it like Sommers did when Gaban violated him.
Also Oda literally gave King every power Sanji has and even went so far as to have a whole race full of people who have said powers. Yet I don't see you glazing King for that
Also Oda literally gave King every power Sanji has and even went so far as to have a whole race full of people who have said powers. Yet I don't see you glazing King for that
If Law can or cannot do that is pure speculation. Until he shows it, we assume he can't. So bringing Law into the equation is pointless.
Bringing King into the equation is an even bigger non-sequitur. King's abilities (i.e. fire conjuring) is not unqiue to him or his race. Literally everyone else can use some type of fire.
Also King can't do everything Sanji can, Sanji can regenerate, Sanji has an unlimited access to fire that is only tempered by his durability AND can spontaneously combust from only his emotions. Also he doesn't have the same restrictions where he can only use either his durable mode or speed mode. So no, King can't do everything Sanji does AND also it has no bearing on introducing a completely new power system to bypass the single greatest problem in the one piece world.
Bringing King into the equation is an even bigger non-sequitur. King's abilities (i.e. fire conjuring) is not unqiue to him or his race. Literally everyone else can use some type of fire.
Also King can't do everything Sanji can, Sanji can regenerate, Sanji has an unlimited access to fire that is only tempered by his durability AND can spontaneously combust from only his emotions. Also he doesn't have the same restrictions where he can only use either his durable mode or speed mode. So no, King can't do everything Sanji does AND also it has no bearing on introducing a completely new power system to bypass the single greatest problem in the one piece world.
Sure he can't regen. But he can still produce endless amounts of fire, increase his durability tenfold, and increase his speed tenfold.
Sure he can't increase his durability and speed at the same time, but that hardly matters since he's tough enough to endure an ACoA+ACoC slash point blank without his flame on anyway.
Sure he can't increase his durability and speed at the same time, but that hardly matters since he's tough enough to endure an ACoA+ACoC slash point blank without his flame on anyway.
I see a lot of comments about "powers of science". I think people misunderstood the chapter "Warrior of Science". The chapter doesn't imply or state Sanji is "Warrior of science". Its is dilemma that Sanji faces should he completely embrace the rais suit and become emotionless and Strong "Warrior of Science" or be Human and which side Luffy will prefer.
Sanji chose to be human and rejected the Raid suit. He still has Exo Skeleton, because that is done and can't be reverted, I guess? He will not have more science-based abilities.
Sanji chose to be human and rejected the Raid suit. He still has Exo Skeleton, because that is done and can't be reverted, I guess? He will not have more science-based abilities.
It is true that he won't have science based abilities anymore, but that's because this subplot is already finished.
He is still a Warrior of Science just like how Luffy is the Warrior of Liberation. It's just that this thing isn't his only/main theme. Sanji is his own self (Haki), is molded by his parents (Science), and is shaped by his mentor & father figure Zeff (Martial Arts). These 3 themes, 3 as in San(ji). Warrior of Science is Sanji, but Sanji isn't only Warrior of Science.
Bro thinks sanji is the reason one piece survived this long.
Because of the depth his character had.
I don't think that? Because One Piece isn't even his Manga? Where the hell do you get this from reading my comment, don't wank Sanji too much in your head.
The context here about Sanji like I said above, is about depths, characterization, world building, which is one of One Piece selling point. In case you never read One Piece, it contains other things beside Sanji.
The post I'm commenting is talking about Sanji. If he's talking about Zoro or Luffy, I can still do the same.
He is still a Warrior of Science just like how Luffy is the Warrior of Liberation. It's just that this thing isn't his only/main theme. Sanji is his own self (Haki), is molded by his parents (Science), and is shaped by his mentor & father figure Zeff (Martial Arts). These 3 themes, 3 as in San(ji). Warrior of Science is Sanji, but Sanji isn't only Warrior of Science.
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Bro thinks sanji is the reason one piece survived this long.
Because of the depth his character had.
The context here about Sanji like I said above, is about depths, characterization, world building, which is one of One Piece selling point. In case you never read One Piece, it contains other things beside Sanji.
The post I'm commenting is talking about Sanji. If he's talking about Zoro or Luffy, I can still do the same.
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