Character Discussion Sanji's Behaviour in Whole Cake Island

[Julius]

Usopp was extremely stressed and depressed too.He made a mistake and was eventually confronted and made to apologize for that.Why doesn't that apply to Sanji too?

Sanji doesn't need to apologize because

1. He is not Usopp

2. Completely different situations and standards. The first Younko territory presented as "extremely dangerous" and as a place from where no one could escape without permission can't be compared to mere Water 7.

3. Luffy himself acknowledge the tough situation Sanji was probably going through, all of the decisions he took, smart or not, were all due to his admiration and hopes for Sanji. Blaming Sanji for his decisions but completely ignoring the consequence of Luffy's decisions doesn't seem fair or smart to me

4. Sanji never judged Usopp or tried to blame him for his actions, he never did that to Vivi, Robin or Nami (these are the character people bring up to compare to Sanji), he was simply there to help them overcome the troubles they were in, despite their decision making and the actual situation.

5. Sanji didn't do that on purpose or due to potentially selfish actions, it's the opposite, he did that aiming a greater good, to protect those he cared about the most given all the info he had at that moment. If you read all through WCI and think Sanji needs to beg for sorry, and even bring Zoro to the matter like he had anything to do with this, then yeah it think its impossible to change your mind

 

[Zaretball]

It is obvious that this will not be addressed again. Oda's perspective is that Sanji is the one suffering the most in the situation and needs to be saved, It's quite simple.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

It wasn’t a lack of faith? I don’t quite know where that ever started. It was Sanji doing what he could to save Zeff and take personal responsibility for his personal problems. Or do you think it’d be fair for Sanji to tell everyone to stop adventuring so they could travel back to the east blue to protect Zeff 24/7

He didnt believe in Luffy at all… cowardice

 

[Chrono]

I remember when momentarily knocking out a drained defenseless hakiless Luffy with 9 DJ attacks was considere a good AP feat by some people lmao.However that's not the point.

It literally is when bums like Katakuri cant knock him out.

 

[Julius]

Also why do even bring what Zoro thinks about it if Luffy himself (Captain and Main character) didn't gave a shit to it?

Sanji literally gave the same reasons of why he shouldn't be allowed to join the crew again, the same he agreed with Zoro about Usopp in W7, but Luffy simply didn't gave a shit and punched his face

Guess what? Thats literally the point of it

Thats how much Luffy needs Sanji

 

[Infitima]

I guess my argument on it is sound lol, OP didn't bother countering.

 

[Usopp Haoshoku Haki]

It literally is when bums like Katakuri cant knock him out.

Go back to saying aramaki will solo the alliance.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I guess my argument on it is sound lol, OP didn't bother countering.

OP just looking for an excuse to hate it.

 

[Usopp Haoshoku Haki]

It is obvious that this will not be addressed again. Oda's perspective is that Sanji is the one suffering the most in the situation and needs to be saved, It's quite simple.

It won't be adressed again for sure.However Usopp was also the one suffering yet he was made to apologize by Zoro.If Zoro knew of the Sanji vs Luffy circumstance he would probably have the exact same stance.

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if Luffy himself (Captain and Main character) didn't gave a shit to it?

Cause last time Luffy also didn't give a shit and when he got confronted by Zoro about what respecting the captain means, he changed his mind.

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I guess my argument on it is sound lol, OP didn't bother countering.

Do I owe every single comment a reply lmao? You're quite entitled.

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to hate it.

To hate what exactly?

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Sanji acted this way because of his trauma. That should be common sense.
You're just here to shit in Sanji🙄🙄

Your name tells me everything I need to know lol.It's constructive criticism on a very questionable course of action from Sanji.I ain't even a huge Zoro fan or anything.

 

[WizardKing]

What I think was never properly addressed in the story is Sanji's behaviour towards Luffy in Wholecake Island.I am obviously referring to the incident where he delivers an one-sided beatdown on an already drained Luffy that isn't even defending himself.

To me, this act has always been irredeemable.You can argue all you want but there's no way anyone in their right mind would think that beating the shit out of Luffy would somehow stop him from still going after Sanji.Sanji himself has witness Ennies Lobby and seen the lengths that Luffy went to, to save Robin even though she had been on the ship for a very short time.

It's common sense for everyone following the story, and it should also be common sense for Sanji since he's experienced Luffy for far too long, that you just can't stop him from helping you.Hurting a friend that's not even fighting back is disgraceful.

I don't ever see someone like Zoro, Franky or Brook doing that to Luffy.To be honest I always wanted this to be properly addressed since Nami was there too and there's no reason for it to be a secret.Sanji didn't redeem himself in any way.Sanji did something way worse than what Usopp did in Water7 yet he was never confronted for it.It was literally forgotten just like that.

I am pretty damn sure that if Zoro ever learned about that, there would certainly be conflict/ confrontation, as it should be.However I sadly don't think that Oda wants to go that route again and he just chose to leave the whole thing in the past, disregarding Sanji's disrespect and Zoro's W7 speech on disrespecting the captain.

Dont be sad that zolo was not there be happy cause sanji would do the same like bellamys crew too

 

[Peenix]

It won't be adressed again for sure.However Usopp was also the one suffering yet he was made to apologize by Zoro.If Zoro knew of the Sanji vs Luffy circumstance he would probably have the exact same stance.

Look at it this way:
Nami didn't need to apologize for leaving the crew in Arlong Park. Robin didn't need to apologize for leaving the crew in Water 7. This is because Nami and Robin were coerced by external forces into leaving the crew. Usopp, however, did need to apologize for leaving the crew as his conflict was entirely internal.

Sanji left the crew because, just like Nami and Robin, he was coerced into doing so by outside forces. Could he have handled the situation better? Yeah. But given the situation it's hard to blame him for not acting logically

 

[Infitima]

Do I owe every single comment a reply lmao? You're quite entitled.

You bring up a contested topic looking for discussion, but then cherrypick which ones you think you can win. That's not entitled, no. It's just pointing out you obviously have no backing to win this debate as the sound ones you can't win you ignore and the ones you think you can win, you are doing very badly at as you blindly rip out pages of the manga that don't agree with your stance.

 

[NikaInParis]

You bring up a contested topic looking for discussion, but then cherrypick which ones you think you can win. That's not entitled, no. It's just pointing out you obviously have no backing to win this debate as the sound ones you can't win you ignore and the ones you think you can win, you are doing very badly at as you blindly rip out pages of the manga that don't agree with your stance.

You demolished him even with your original comment. This is just the cherry on top lmao

 

[Infitima]

Forgot to say in terms of Zoro finding out. I actually wish they would address it with a flashback or something that causes it to be brought up, simply so it would finally show Zoro's so called fans that they clearly know nothing about his character and personality if they think he'd attack/blame Sanji as the arguments always go. The guy is sometimes dense, not completely stupid as to not recognize coercion or the tenseness of a situation. Look at how he reacted and gave as thoughts when Robin 'betrayed.' I would think his own fans would give him more credit than thinking he's a one-note cardboard cutout.

 

[Chrono]

Go back to saying aramaki will solo the alliance.

Aramaki will solo the allaince

 

[SakazOuki]

WCI was complete trash, it's better to pretend it never existed.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

The ones that complains about Sanji's actions against Luffy are the ones that hates WCI or didn't read WCI properly.

 

[kurwa]

but there's no way anyone in their right mind would think that beating the shit out of Luffy would somehow stop him from still going after Sanji

He stopped caring about Usopp after their duel

Sanji himself has witness Ennies Lobby and seen the lengths that Luffy went to, to save Robin even though she had been on the ship for a very short time

What does that have to do with anything?
Sanji did not need saving. Zeff and other hostages did.

I don't ever see someone like Zoro, Franky or Brook doing that to Luffy

Didn't Zoro try to kill Luffy in Wiskey Peak?

Sanji did something way worse than what Usopp did in Water7 yet he was never confronted for it.It was literally forgotten just like that.

Ever thought about maybe because it was not worse what Usopp did?

I am pretty damn sure that if Zoro ever learned about that, there would certainly be conflict/ confrontation, as it should be

Who the fuck is Zoro for his opinion to matter?

Sanji had no faith in Luffy whats so ever, peoving himself to be a coward and a loser.

What faith? That he would teleport to East Blue to Zeff and save him?
Judge was right there next to them, schizo.

If anything, Luffy was the one who had no faith. Sanji said he would come back.

 

[God W. Usopp]

Sanji challenged luffy to a duel and Luffy accepted.

Sanji wanted to cut ties to the crew to ensure none of them got hurt if he failed to break off this wedding.

Luffy not fighting back was his choice. And it was because Luffy knew the pain that he was feeling is not as bad as how much it hurt Sanji to do it.

And why he did it? Because it’s literally the same thing Usopp did when he was leaving the crew. And Luffy accepted Usopps leaving, so Sanji had no reason to think Luffy wouldn’t accept sanjis.

It’s like people forget that Luffy himself said it was a duel between the two of them. It doesn’t matter that Luffy wasn’t fighting back because Luffy already accepted that it was a fight between men.

It was all written out in black and white.

My opinion is similar to that of this person. I myself am not a fan of Sanji, I can, for laughs' sake, of entering into an argument on the topic of Zoro vs Sanji, but this particular moment is worked out competently, at least I experienced emotions when reading :cheers:

 

[Usopp Haoshoku Haki]

You bring up a contested topic looking for discussion, but then cherrypick which ones you think you can win. That's not entitled, no. It's just pointing out you obviously have no backing to win this debate as the sound ones you can't win you ignore and the ones you think you can win, you are doing very badly at as you blindly rip out pages of the manga that don't agree with your stance.

Oh not the "I win/You lose" professional debater lmao.Childish shit.Not even gonna entertain stuff like "winning an one piece debate".You're chronically online.

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You demolished him even with your original comment. This is just the cherry on top lmao

Are y'all 13?