[FNZ] Role Madness [Season 2] Round 10 - Antagonists Vs Protagonists

[Destroya]

Okay. I’ve thought on it hard, and I think I want to pursue the DKer for the lynch.

The DKer killed Flower and killed Marimo.

I don’t think I need to go into why the Flower kill was bad. No one openly suspected Flower anymore at the time of her death. Which means if a Town Vig killed her it means they decided to kill someone they didn’t openly suspect instead of someone they did. That doesn’t sound like a Town move.

Then we have Marimo. He was the objectively worse choice between Marimo and SISTZ. We had mechanical reasons to flip SISTZ, but not Marimo. Flipping SISTZ gave us the best chance of ending the game right then and there, and if he did flip Town then it would have provided information on Tris’s reliability.

Killing Marimo and him flipping Town gave us nothing to go on. And they also killed him before he could even post or claim in his defense. Town should want all the information they can gather before making a decision to kill one of the POE when we are getting this thin, especially when one has mechanical info against them.

Killing Flower, killing Marimo before he can say anything in his defense, and leaving us with the lynch candidate holding a mechanical read looks like the work of a killer trying to thin numbers more than a vigilante imo.

In the worse case scenario the DK could be working with a teammate. I think that’s the scenario we are better off playing toward.

If we lynch who we believe is the DK, they flip Scum, and the game doesn’t end, then we can go for who we believe is most likely to be their teammate.

If we lynch who we believe is the DK and they aren’t Scum, we can probably still win this game by lynching SISTZ.

If we lynch who we believe is the DK, they flip Scum, and the game ends then we won.

I just see more routes to victory from flipping the DK than by giving them a pass. If we take out the DK we may even still be able to win in the worst case scenario (two scummates working together).

However, if you guys don’t think we can beat SISTZ with a mislynch/kill on the DK then we don’t have to do it.

Prof I'm telling you now if you go after the DK and not the last Wolf right now, Town will lose the game.

 

[Destroya]

I'm not too sure why everyone is making this harder than it needs to be. Sanji hasn't had a great game and based on POE and Tris' check, he's the best bet this day phase. If he flips Wolf, I'm confident the game is over, so there's not really any sense moving away from who we think is the last Wolf.

 

[Destroya]

Why does this have to be a restricted claim game? I have most of the puzzle solved but can't say it. I really should have claimed over Sanji's useless claim.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Why does this have to be a restricted claim game? I have most of the puzzle solved but can't say it. I really should have claimed over Sanji's useless claim.

I wish you would have lol. I’d like to hear from Light and Ekko on if we can still beat SISTZ if we kill DK instead. You have been saying that if we kill SISTZ and he flips Town you’ll claim. But now you say a mislynch is an auto loss. So what was the point in you offering a claim if he’s Town?

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I'm not too sure why everyone is making this harder than it needs to be. Sanji hasn't had a great game and based on POE and Tris' check, he's the best bet this day phase. If he flips Wolf, I'm confident the game is over, so there's not really any sense moving away from who we think is the last Wolf.

If DK isn’t Wolf then they put us in this bad spot where we may lose by not killing SISTZ (the much surer choice) and ending the game. They killed someone far less suspicious before they could even post or claim costing us a Town.

 

[Destroya]

I wish you would have lol. I’d like to hear from Light and Ekko on if we can still beat SISTZ if we kill DK instead. You have been saying that if we kill SISTZ and he flips Town you’ll claim. But now you say a mislynch is an auto loss. So what was the point in you offering a claim if he’s Town?

I don't think a mislynch is an auto loss; where did I say that? I think Town can probably mislynch twice more and still win, but the wrong lynch this day I think would be more of a trip up. I'm worried about the reaction of Sanji and it makes me think he's kind of Town. I think the vote should be between him and Tris, though I am reluctant to vote Tris out.

 

[Destroya]

If DK isn’t Wolf then they put us in this bad spot where we may lose by not killing SISTZ (the much surer choice) and ending the game. They killed someone far less suspicious before they could even post or claim costing us a Town.

I disagree with that, though. Because there's still a chance Sanji flips Town here. So imagine Sanji gets shot, do we automatically go for Marimo here? I feel like there's a chance we don't. So getting rid of one of our POEs, and focusing it down to one person, isn't as bad as you think.

 

[Destroya]

Looking back at this game, it's been a tough setup for Town. We got Tobi right away and the TAC and Beta fiasco happened early as well. With three wolves in basically three days, Town shouldn't be in such a balanced situation.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I disagree with that, though. Because there's still a chance Sanji flips Town here. So imagine Sanji gets shot, do we automatically go for Marimo here? I feel like there's a chance we don't. So getting rid of one of our POEs, and focusing it down to one person, isn't as bad as you think.

You think Tris or Sanji is the best vote but don’t know if we should go for Tris. Well if DK would have killed Sanji and he flipped Town we could have more confidently checked Tris.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Killing Sanji would have given us info on Tris. If he would have flipped Town instead of Marimo, she becomes a strong POE.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I think best case scenario if we can afford a mislynch: We kill DK and then decide between Tris and SISTZ if DK suspect flips Town. That avoids the worst possible scenario of killing SISTZ, him flipping Town, and a team of DK & Tris having Town in checkmate.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I think Tris being a solo Wolf is unlikely.

If she was willing to trade herself for SISTZ then she’s probably either Town with a false read or Scum with a teammate.

 

[Destroya]

You think Tris or Sanji is the best vote but don’t know if we should go for Tris. Well if DK would have killed Sanji and he flipped Town we could have more confidently checked Tris.

So the thing I was going to claim is kind of bastard so that's why I think people have been so confused by a lot of this game and what's happened the last couple of phases. I originally was worried about Sanji and with Tris having a mechanical check on him, I think that kind of needs to be cleared up. I'm not loving his reaction to being lynched and I worry he's Town, but that check can't just be brushed to the side. In the back of my head I'm still concerned about Ekko as well because besides him going after Tobi D1, I think he hasn't been the most proactive Town. I know he had a good post where he showed why he should be Town, but I just can't shake that feeling I have about him.

 

[Destroya]

@Dr_Professor83 dest is capable of pulling sht like this as scum btw, dont take him lightly

just warning

Like this post just kind of makes me feel like he's pulling the Kansas City Shuffle, getting everyone to look at me while he goes the other way.

 

[Destroya]

yea @Wris

i think dest killed marimo, might also be the one who killed flower as well

he could possibly be light, but he helped town greatly rn in narrowing down PoE

This is one of the reasons why I don't necessarily want to target the DK. I think there has been more than one DK in the game because we had Tobi and Cal get shot during D2 and D3 respectively but nothing in D4. The Flower kill obviously looks bad, but the Marimo kill isn't that bad when you consider that it helped narrowed down POE, like Ekko said.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Like this post just kind of makes me feel like he's pulling the Kansas City Shuffle, getting everyone to look at me while he goes the other way.

No matter who we lynch this phase, I think I’ll have a much better feel on this game next day phase.

My concern this phase is giving us cushion against the one scenario I don’t think we can beat with a SISTZ mislynch: A team of DK + Tris.

I’m prepared to pivot quite a bit next phase. I have a bit of a plan that I think can root out the last Scum. But that plan is useless if there are two of them next day phase.

 

[Destroya]

No matter who we lynch this phase, I think I’ll have a much better feel on this game next day phase.

My concern this phase is giving us cushion against the one scenario I don’t think we can beat with a SISTZ mislynch: A team of DK + Tris.

I’m prepared to pivot quite a bit next phase. I have a bit of a plan that I think can root out the last Scum. But that plan is useless if there are two of them next day phase.

I can say with confidence we're dealing with one more Wolf.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

This is one of the reasons why I don't necessarily want to target the DK. I think there has been more than one DK in the game because we had Tobi and Cal get shot during D2 and D3 respectively but nothing in D4. The Flower kill obviously looks bad, but the Marimo kill isn't that bad when you consider that it helped narrowed down POE, like Ekko said.

Dependable was a Day Vig. So was Ryu. There have been 3 until recently. If the Transformer is the same one now pretending to have the death note then there are only 3.

 

[Destroya]

Dependable was a Day Vig. So was Ryu. There have been 3 until recently. If the Transformer is the same one now pretending to have the death note then there are only 3.

In that case maybe all the day shots have been used up. I feel like there's been day and multiple night kill attempts each phase. Seems like a lot.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I can say with confidence we're dealing with one more Wolf.

It’s hard to trust that info. I still think I’d rather take action to defend against the potential game ending scenario of there being two. If we mislynch the DK I think we probably still win.

I actually think we are almost a lock to win if we are dealing with only one more Wolf.