Chapter Discussion Shanks not the top of Pirates according to Kaido

[ShinmenTakezo]

Shinzen interpretation explains why some of the hyped Top tiers like Garp n Akainu ain't there.

But does it have to have only one interpretation? No one knows.

I also can't agree with Shanks is there because a Yonkou, WB was also one on that note and BM already clashed with her on panel, so she could have been there.

Anyway, Shanks hype.

WB is put above Yonkou though. WB could have taken OP, he didnt. Roger could take it, he did take it, thats the difference.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

They are not there because they can't compete, period. Readjust your tier list.

they can compete though, dont understand you're headcannoning saying that kaido meant strongest, but oda gonna make yankers once 1002 come out , imma wait and laugh

He stalemated old people who were never on Shanks' level in their prime. So what is your point?

GARP AND SENGOKU ARE ABOVE SHANKS in his prime, im doneee, im laughing bruh

 

[Extravlad]

The word ceiling does not appear in the raw first of all. Second, Shanks is the central figure there, if we want to analyse it artistically. Nearly all the lines converge on him.

The raw says how high/far can you go. The two greatest are at the top, keep ignoring the facts.
Shanks is the central figure? Yet scan providers totally missed him at first cause he's not the one that draws your attention first hen looking at that panel

Also, in the anime that just came out they say strongest.

No the shitty anime translators wrote that.
The wording is the same, It's greatest and It's PERHAPS not "confirmed greatest"

 

[uyuu]

Are you a troll?
We have direct confirmation that WB was not in his prime when he was under Xebec.
He entered his prime 2 years after the end of Rocks.
WB surpassed Rocks and was Roger's equal.
Rocks got put out of his misery by Roger.


Who's downplaying anything? The scene you refer to straight up tells you Roger and WB have the 2 highest bounties in pirate history

Am i a troll? I try not to troll at all in each of my posts. Rocks has to be beaten by Roger and Garp, Rocks was Roger's strongest rival according to Sengoku, his portrayal is not below Prime WB at all. The marines cant believe that there's a guy who was able to become the captains of 3 current Yonkou. no statements about Prime WB surpassing Xebec in strength even if he did in bounties.

If you depend solely on bounties then Doflamingo and Kuma is a low-diff material for WCI Luffy. The raws also dont mention anything about shadow placement as hierarchy, that kind of assumption is too subjective. How does "how high can you go" in power have a relation to the art style?

 

[Extravlad]

. Rocks has to be beaten by Roger and Garp

Again with this lie?
The ROCKS PIRATES had to be beaten by Garp and Sengoku
Oda literally drew ROCKS/WB/BM/KAIDO as shadows vs just Roger/GARP
And you interpret it as "They 2V1'd him?

Rocks was Roger's strongest rival according to Sengoku,

He never said strongest.
He only said "perhaps"

, his portrayal is not below Prime WB at all.

Yes it is.
Roger surpassed Rocks
Roger never surpassed WB.
Kaido thinks of Roger and WB as those who are are the top of the ceiling.

The marines cant believe that there's a guy who was able to become the captains of 3 current Yonkou

WB had Oden,Ace and BB under him, Oden is Yonko lvl, Ace and BB have PK potential.

If you depend solely on bounties then Doflamingo and Kuma is a low-diff material for WCI Luffy. The raws also dont mention anything about shadow placement as hierarchy, that kind of assumption is too subjective. How does "how high can you go" in power have a relation to the art style?

Their bounties were frozen

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

No the shitty anime translators wrote that.
The wording is the same, It's greatest and It's PERHAPS not "confirmed greatest"

Young whitebeard and prime whitebeard look the same so maybe it was young WB who beat him lol

 

[uyuu]

Again with this lie?
The ROCKS PIRATES had to be beaten by Garp and Sengoku
Oda literally drew ROCKS/WB/BM/KAIDO as shadows vs just Roger/GARP
And you interpret it as "They 2V1'd him?


He never said strongest.
He only said "perhaps"


Yes it is.
Roger surpassed Rocks
Roger never surpassed WB.
Kaido thinks of Roger and WB as those who are are the top of the ceiling.


WB had Oden,Ace and BB under him, Oden is Yonko lvl, Ace and BB have PK potential.


Their bounties were frozen

- Garp doesnt bring marines? Admiral candidates? Weapons and ships? Are those denied or confirmed?

- the fighting process was off-screened, i didnt make an assumption of how the fight went by but the portrayal of Rocks being WB-K-BM leader. WB even in his prime accomplished no such thing, by that Rocks is still superior in attracting strong people. If you assume the fight process, itd get you nowhere. I also can assume that WB-K-BM were too lazy to fight since they bickered among themselves, and Roger and Garp 2v1d Xebec. Its not the right point to assume the powerscaling.

- so bounties can be manipulated, thats why bounties is not powerlevel, even less than greatest =/= strongest from your argument.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

candidates

yes because we see sengoku say rodger and garp fought them
just like shiki vs sengoku and garp both needed to hold back their full power since they're protecting people

 

[Seraphoenix]

they can compete though, dont understand you're headcannoning saying that kaido meant strongest, but oda gonna make yankers once 1002 come out , imma wait and laugh

GARP AND SENGOKU ARE ABOVE SHANKS in his prime, im doneee, im laughing bruh

Ok you are trolling. Garp and Sengoku are not on the level of Shanks. Prime or old. They were not in that panel of Kaido's top 5.

The raw says how high/far can you go. The two greatest are at the top, keep ignoring the facts.
Shanks is the central figure? Yet scan providers totally missed him at first cause he's not the one that draws your attention first hen looking at that panel

Yes how far. Then we are shown 5 people who he thinks are on the same level. Cry more. Shanks is the central figure. It also doesn't matter how blind some random providers are. Also, Redon actually originally included Shanks in his summary. You are literally making up your own headcanon about placement. Nothing suggests a head tier placement lmao.

No the shitty anime translators wrote that.
The wording is the same, It's greatest and It's PERHAPS not "confirmed greatest"

Anime> Extravlad
Other translators that say 'formidable' . So again, Xebec> WB. Roger wouldn't need Garp to fight WB.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Ok you are trolling. Garp and Sengoku are not on the level of Shanks. Prime or old. They were not in that panel of Kaido's top 5.

That's not kaido top 5, not even pirates, whitebeard was the strongest and each admiral trolled him already and had their fair share of 1v1 against him, two chinjago a reliable tier puts them in the same breath, doffy a reliable tier also says the navy rule the seas chapter 801
so I can also use character logic, too just like you

 

[Finalbeta]

Why are people still ascertaining so easily that the people displayed are the strongest Kaido met or even in general when Mihawk is not there?

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Oda can't draw them in the same line, it won't fit and it would look ridiculous.
The only right conclussion we can draw from that panel about their positions, is that Roger and WB were drawn to each other which makes sense.
But Oden is Xebec lvl?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

So Rocks D. Xebec is also at the bottom while he is Kaido-WB-BM's superior? Just incorrect.

And if this only serves to downplay Shanks, it can also backfire to the retort that Mihawk doesn't even make it to the bottom.

Yes Xebec isn't has high has WB and Roger. The story put them too above everybody.

 

[Dark Hound]

Nah that thread got to go....

 

[Jo_Ndule]

WB is put above Yonkou though. WB could have taken OP, he didnt. Roger could take it, he did take it, thats the difference.

He couldn't unless Roger told him the way
He needs Oden and the 4RPs

Roger did it because he had Oden and had RPs

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

The word ceiling does not appear in the raw first of all. Second, Shanks is the central figure there, if we want to analyse it artistically. Nearly all the lines converge on him.

Also, in the anime that just came out they say strongest.

They are not there because they can't compete, period. Readjust your tier list.

He stalemated old people who were never on Shanks' level in their prime. So what is your point?

Shanks and Oden are the worse one there. Shanks has lower bounty then Roger and WB and doesn't have his own Era like the other 3. The story has always put Roger and WB has the top of pirates. Shanks literally have Zero claim to be their level. Not in potrayal, feats or hype

 

[Seraphoenix]

Shanks and Oden are the worse one there. Shanks has lower bounty then Roger and WB and doesn't have his own Era like the other 3. The story has always put Roger and WB has the top of pirates. Shanks literally have Zero claim to be their level. Not in potrayal, feats or hype

Headcanon . He is portrayed at that level in this very chapter. He also clashed equally with WB in WSM condition. Bounty isn’t power level noob.

 

[Bullet]

You sure you want to go the powerlevel route with that pic?
So Oden who gets thrown to the other side of the island by Roger and then loses his shit seeing dfless Wb's power is on the same level as Wb's captain?
And Shanks being in the middle means he is above Xebeck who has better hype than Prime Garp
No problem for me

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Headcanon . He is portrayed at that level in this very chapter. He also clashed equally with WB in WSM condition. Bounty isn’t power level noob.

He literally doesn't cause Kaido ask how high he can go. Roger and WB at the highest. WB and Roger potrayal far surpassed Shanks. When did i say bounty is powerlevels you noob. GO AHEAD QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID THAT 🤡. I WILL BE WAITING.

Bounty does also take in account combat ability though

Shanks potrayal has never been on WB and Roger level. Whitebeard was said to be the equal to Roger has a Pirate not Shanks. Roger and WB have the highest bounties and held their own era. After WB died Shanks couldn't even make this his own Era shows hiw trash he really is. Soon has Roger died it was WB era

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You sure you want to go the powerlevel route with that pic?
So Oden who gets thrown to the other side of the island by Roger and then loses his shit seeing dfless Wb's power is on the same level as Wb's captain?
And Shanks being in the middle means he is above Xebeck who has better hype than Prime Garp
No problem for me

Ceiling means bottom people are the weakest.

 

[uyuu]

Ceiling means bottom people are the weakest.

Did Kaidou said the ceiling in Oda's art or the ceiling regarding power?