Theory Shimotsuki Onimaru aka Roronoa Zoro

[HA001]

Oda was making up Oden's backstory as he went. He even changed the dates of the flashback in canon

Are you saying Oda doesn't actually know where Zoro was born as well and is making shit up as he goes?

So hes changed it before to suit the story. He could well do it again.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Like how he was supposed to have changed Koushiro and Kuina being stated to also be born in East blue

Remember that was the whole argument for that nonsense. That Oda made a mistake or he was lying.

Koushiro and Kuina were born in East Blue...whats wrong with that ?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro indeed was born in east blue, zoro' s mother must have fled wano when she was pregnant with him.

A big problem with your theory is that none of the things you said have any build up.

No member of the Shimotsuki clan has recognised Zoro or cared about him and Zoro himself has not recognised or cared about the name Shimotsuki yet he's heard it multiple times already

Zoro is currently alone so again there's no one to "recognise ashura" or whatever and there's no indication that Ashura is a thing anyone would recognise at all. I mean we've seen the strongest swordsman in Wano cut Kaido and all it takes is haki. Hyogoro teaches luffy haki as the main thing that swordsmen in Wano use to fight. It would be weird if there's A WHILE SEPERATE POWER that exists in the country and the strongest swordsman and Hyogoro never mention or use it.

 

[KenshiraSonata]

Oda was making up Oden's backstory as he went. He even changed the dates of the flashback in canon

Are you saying Oda doesn't actually know where Zoro was born as well and is making shit up as he goes?

I have no idea oda messed up with dates in the flashback of oden but I am pretty sure he already planned Zoros story that is why he gave no introduction to zoro

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

So hes changed it before to suit the story. He could well do it again.

To suit what story? What story is there?

You know how stories work right? There's characters and conflict. Who are the character and what is the conflict in this "story"?

Zoro is definitely not a character in this story since he DOESN'T CARE about anything regarding it. He faced Onimaru and says he doesn't care about Ryuma. He knew Yasu and doesn't care about his shimotsuki bloodline. He talked to Tenguyama and was told about Kouzaburo and didn't give a shit that that's his village founder

Like Oda knows how to make characters care about things. It's very easy. For example. Franky is fighting Pink and then he sees Pink crying all of a sudden and Franky stops and asks what's up. Done. It's that easy. Franky is immediately invested IN A STORY. He's now a character in this story about Pink and his regret over losing his family.

Why has none of this happened with Zoro in 70 chapters yet you say there's story here?

 

[KenshiraSonata]

A big problem with your theory is that none of the things you said have any build up.

No member of the Shimotsuki clan has recognised Zoro or cared about him and Zoro himself has not recognised or cared about the name Shimotsuki yet he's heard it multiple times already

Zoro is currently alone so again there's no one to "recognise ashura" or whatever and there's no indication that Ashura is a thing anyone would recognise at all. I mean we've seen the strongest swordsman in Wano cut Kaido and all it takes is haki. Hyogoro teaches luffy haki as the main thing that swordsmen in Wano use to fight. It would be weird if there's A WHILE SEPERATE POWER that exists in the country and the strongest swordsman and Hyogoro never mention or use it.

Pbly because his mother is an alien even though I was wrong in reality humans doesn't care much for their relative's orphan

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Koushiro and Kuina were born in East Blue...whats wrong with that ?

There was a bunch of Denjiro=Koushiro theorists who said Oda was lying about Where Koushiro and Kuina were born

 

[HA001]

To suit what story? What story is there?

You know how stories work right? There's characters and conflict. Who are the character and what is the conflict in this "story"?

Zoro is definitely not a character in this story since he DOESN'T CARE about anything regarding it. He faced Onimaru and says he doesn't care about Ryuma. He knew Yasu and doesn't care about his shimotsuki bloodline. He talked to Tenguyama and was told about Kouzaburo and didn't give a shit that that's his village founder

Like Oda knows how to make characters care about things. It's very easy. For example. Franky is fighting Pink and then he sees Pink crying all of a sudden and Franky stops and asks what's up. Done. It's that easy. Franky is immediately invested IN A STORY. He's now a character in this story about Pink and his regret over losing his family.

Why has none of this happened with Zoro in 70 chapters yet you say there's story here?

It has. If his name was roronoa zoro and he had no alterior back story he would have had an intro box introducing him as such.
Yet hes the only one in the crew missing it.

 

[Kurodiamondo]

It has. If his name was roronoa zoro and he had no alterior back story he would have had an intro box introducing him as such.
Yet hes the only one in the crew missing it.

What's wrong with no back story? Nami has no back story about her real parents (at least not yet) and it's fine

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Pbly because his mother is an alien even though I was wrong in reality humans doesn't care much for their relative's orphan

There's also no build up for that either.

You're gonna say the build up for the mother being a foreigner is Zoro's last name but that's a foregone conclusion. You're reverse engineering proof here.

My biggest issue with all this is why does any of it matter to the 70 chapter long Wano arc so far?

Why does it matter Zoro's mother is an alien or His name is that or Ushimaru is his father? Like will that affect Zoro somehow? Will it affect the story? Why does this war against two Emperors require all this?

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It has. If his name was roronoa zoro and he had no alterior back story he would have had an intro box introducing him as such.
Yet hes the only one in the crew missing it.

So Does Zoro CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS?

Like is Zoro actively hiding something? Why? What is he hiding? And when will it matter?

 

[HA001]

What's wrong with no back story? Nami has no back story about her real parents (at least not yet) and it's fine

Pretty sure nami has an official intro box. Zoro doesnt.

 

[StyleZSpirit]

well nobody of us know about sanjis full name until now it was revealed so as our friend guessed its shimotsuki roronoa zoro + new bounty after zoro unleash ashura power

 

[Dark Hound]

Yeah I like it but I don’t buy it

 

[trav]

not to shit on your topics, but any ties Zoro has to Wano outside ouf Koshiro are detrimental to the character.

I am certain that Zoro will not care anyways even if there are further ties.
he shrugs it off and nothing will come of it. its not his way and therefore redundant. Oda would not include something like this I think.

 

[KenshiraSonata]

I made a few additions to my theory, please read and make your comments.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Humans don't like sudden changes

What other specifies do you know that does?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

I have a theory about how Zoro got his name as "Zoro". I do think as many people in this forum Zoro belongs to the fabled Shimotsuki clan, as this was clear from Zoro's home village name and his birth month November (which is called Shimotsuki in Japanese) and Zoro's father was Shimotsuki Ushimaru, the daimyo of Ringo.

Here is my theory, Shimotsuki Ushimaru planned to name his unborn son as Onimaru after his trusted partner and pet Onimaru, the fox. His wife is also aware of his wish to name their son Onimaru. During the Kaido invasion of Ringo, Ushimaru was busy fighting the beast pirates and hence he asked his trusted retainers to escort his pregnant foreign wife out to east blue to his clansmen's place. But Kaido's forces found the entourage before they escape and Onimaru (still a fox btw) stayed back with rest of the retainers to protect his master's wife. Hence, Zoro's mom called him Zoro which means fox in Spanish and Roronoa is her family name to keep him safe even though his true name is Shimotsuki Onimaru.

How it will be revealed? I think Zoro will use Ashura in his battle that will attract the attention of Wano Samurai. I believe it will unfold as something like this. The home territory of Shimotsuki clan is Ringo and they were given other lands to govern because of their just and loyal nature. The branch that governs Ringo is the main house of the clan. Only a few members of the clan can exhibit the full power of the sword god (Ashura) and everyone who wielded Ashura were from the main house. His green hair and Ashura will make Wano samurais to associate Zoro with Shimotsuki Ushimaru.

Lately, I was reading through Wano and I found that Zoro's name could be Shimotsuki Gyuukimaru too, because that is the reason why Kawamatsu used that name. What would be the ideal name than the name of the heir to Ringo.

I want to add that Chapter 999 will be the one which reveals Zoro's lineage and we will get a proper intro box of Zoro with his Shimotsuki name, as heir to Ringo.

On a side note, both Oni and Gyuuki are a type of demon. I added that Gyuuki could be possible because his father has name Ushi which mean cow and Gyuuki means cow demon. Fun thing Zoro used attacks with names Oni and Gyuuki. XD

Hope you enjoyed the reading :)

Agreed. Also Ushimaru is Admiral Ryokugyu and his power is the nori nori no mi: model marimo. Bet on it.

There's also no build up for that either.

You're gonna say the build up for the mother being a foreigner is Zoro's last name but that's a foregone conclusion. You're reverse engineering proof here.

My biggest issue with all this is why does any of it matter to the 70 chapter long Wano arc so far?

Why does it matter Zoro's mother is an alien or His name is that or Ushimaru is his father? Like will that affect Zoro somehow? Will it affect the story? Why does this war against two Emperors require all this?

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So Does Zoro CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS?

Like is Zoro actively hiding something? Why? What is he hiding? And when will it matter?

i think the funny payoff for all of this will be Zoro finding out, then going "Ehhhh????" and walking away because he doesn't give even the tiniest bit of a shit about his family or the expectations of his bloodline.

Also, something to add, a handful of people in Wano have recognized Santoryu and made a note that it's surprising to see someone using it. Komurasaki, Tonoyasu, and the Ebisu-cho people all seem to think it's very interesting Zoro uses 3 swords. I have a feeling we will learn something about someone else using a 3 sword style, possibly Ushimaru himself. Zoro invented his own form of Santoryu but that doesn't mean no one else in history ever used 3 swords.