Controversial Shiryu and 10 Titanic Captains

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Mihawk said he wanted to measure the distance, he did not say, I want to say "if the distance is real"
There's literally no reason to think Sengoku is an unreliable source. He had cipher pol reports that figured out who Ace's Mom was, and is literally from the old days himself. He also can see WB get stabbed by Squardo like everyone else and says "the strongest man in the world is attacking". Was he talking about Marco?

Sengoku doesn't know everything though, and he evidently was wrong that Sickbeard was the strongest man anyway.

 

[soupongo]

Sengoku doesn't know everything though, and he evidently was wrong that Sickbeard was the strongest man anyway.

Yeah, Sengoku is wrong, the narrator is wrong, Buggy is wrong, Doflamingo is wrong. Only reliable sources are people on the internet who think their favorite cartoon character is the strongest

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah, Sengoku is wrong, the narrator is wrong, Buggy is wrong, Doflamingo is wrong. Only reliable sources are people on the internet who think their favorite cartoon character is the strongest

I forgot that Sengoku does indeed have a scouter that tells him every character's power levels

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Prime WB alongside Roger are two most hyped pirates. The gold standard other pirates are compared with.

Guess Roger and whitebeard low diffs joyboy other something.

Only reason MF WB was not WSM was due to his sickness otherwise he was universally accepted as WSM.

Are you purposely trying to be blind now?

Age was the biggest factor , Remove his sickness and he would still meet the same fate.
Rayleigh , Garp , legit everyone in that age are suffering from old age.

You legit have whitebeard saying " I can't be the strongest forever ".

Now that I notice , you are not even answering anything , its always something new.

 

[soupongo]

I forgot that Sengoku does indeed have a scouter that tells him every character's power levels

He is viewing the war same as everyone else, there's literally no reason to assume he's wrong. When an author wants to portray a character as wrong about something, they will have them admit to being wrong through development overtime. Nothing like that has happened.

Notice, 15 years later after Whitebeard died in the manga, Shanks and Mihawk who were secretly above him the whole time have never been completely randomly and arbitrarily called the strongest like Whitebeard was several times.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He is viewing the war same as everyone else, there's literally no reason to assume he's wrong. When an author wants to portray a character as wrong about something, they will have them admit to being wrong through development overtime. Nothing like that has happened.

Notice, 15 years later after Whitebeard died in the manga, Shanks and Mihawk who were secretly above him the whole time have never been completely randomly and arbitrarily called the strongest like Whitebeard was several times.

I like to think that the quake fruit was a big factor as to why he was called the WSM, after all he's introduced by Sengoku as a man who has the power to destroy the world.

 

[soupongo]

I like to think that the quake fruit was a big factor as to why he was called the WSM, after all he's introduced by Sengoku as a man who has the power to destroy the world.

Teach has the quake fruit as well, and no one has hyped him as the strongest post ts
Stop coping

 

[MonsterKaido]

Guess Roger and whitebeard low diffs joyboy other something.



Are you purposely trying to be blind now?

Age was the biggest factor , Remove his sickness and he would still meet the same fate.
Rayleigh , Garp , legit everyone in that age are suffering from old age.

You legit have whitebeard saying " I can't be the strongest forever ".

Now that I notice , you are not even answering anything , its always something new.

JB is not in this discussion.

Prime WB > Shanks and Mihawk

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Teach has the quake fruit as well, and no one has hyped him as the strongest post ts
Stop coping

Like I said, it wasn't just the quake fruit. All I'm saying is the quake fruit was a big part of it. Obviously Whitebeard's own strength was a factor lmfao

 

[soupongo]

Like I said, it wasn't just the quake fruit. All I'm saying is the quake fruit was a big part of it. Obviously Whitebeard's own strength was a factor lmfao

The problem is thinking DFs somehow arent included as inherently part of someone's strength

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

JB is not in this discussion.

Prime WB > Shanks and Mihawk

Why isn't he lol. Roger isn't in this conversation either then , what portrayal does he have aside from that then?
We are counting in Shanks feat and Portrayal over here.

Prime WB > Shanks and Mihawk (Source : Trust me bro)

 

[MonsterKaido]

Why isn't he lol. Roger isn't in this conversation either then , what portrayal does he have aside from that then?
We are counting in Shanks feat and Portrayal over here.

Prime WB > Shanks and Mihawk (Source : Trust me bro)

Prime WB has WSM title? Bruh

 

[soupongo]

Why isn't he lol. Roger isn't in this conversation either then , what portrayal does he have aside from that then?
We are counting in Shanks feat and Portrayal over here.

Prime WB > Shanks and Mihawk (Source : Trust me bro)

Source: Mihawks captain

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Prime WB has WSM title? Bruh

When Shanks and Mihawk didn't even hit their prime.
Old beard himself admitted he ain't the strongest.

How difficult is that to understand?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The problem is thinking DFs somehow arent included as inherently part of someone's strength

They are but they're still valuable in and of themselves. Law's fruit is more valuable than him for example

 

[Topi Jerami]

Shiryu can be OP. Oda can give him OP awakening. Max shiryu can get is low top tier level imo.

Pre TS Shiryu / Magellan's equivalent was low top tier level.
Someone that can neg diff whole pre TS Blackbeard Pirates, and made combined forces of Luffy, Jinbe, Crocodile, Daz Bones and Ivankov running tail between legs is top tier.

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I don't see shiryu being that strong. He needs to be above mihawk for that.

He will be above Mihawk.

 

[soupongo]

When Shanks and Mihawk didn't even hit their prime.
Old beard himself admitted he ain't the strongest.

How difficult is that to understand?

And yet he had zero issue in starting a fight with Shanks and Mihawk

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They are but they're still valuable in and of themselves. Law's fruit is more valuable than him for example

You're comparing bounties of the marines wanting to kill a pirate to the prices of Devil fruits.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Pre TS Shiryu / Magellan's equivalent was low top tier level.
Someone that can neg diff whole pre TS Blackbeard Pirates, and made combined forces of Luffy, Jinbe, Crocodile, Daz Bones and Ivankov running tail between legs is top tier.

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He will be above Mihawk.

I have old garp as lowest levels of top tier. Depends on what you consider top tier.

I can only see him being above Mihawk if BBPs are final villains.

 

[Topi Jerami]

I have old garp as lowest levels of top tier. Depends on what you consider top tier.

I can only see him being above Mihawk if BBPs are final villains.

Magellan took out the whole Blackbeard Pirates if Shiryu didn't bring them antidote.
Old Garp took 0 Blackbeard Pirates out and got mid diffed.
Magellan > Old Garp.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Magellan took out the whole Blackbeard Pirates if Shiryu didn't bring them antidote.
Old Garp took 0 Blackbeard Pirates out and got mid diffed.
Magellan > Old Garp.

Pre skip Luffy was doing good against magellan. Poison hax =\= power level. BB got careless is all.