Powers & Abilities Should advanced CoC be able to destroy cuffs?

[sanjikun]

I'll bring this over from the power scaling section, but this is more of a power analysis.

Luffy specifically stated advanced CoC penetrates DEEPER than advanced CoA.

So let me ask this: If advanced CoC penetrates DEEPER than advanced CoA, then shouldn't advanced CoC be enough to destroy cuffs? If it hurts Kaido, wtf are some cuffs?

Some people have mentioned the seastone, but Luffy was clearly touching the cuffs and he could use Haki. He could NOT use Haki with NERFED seastone cuffs in Udon. He only used Haki in Udon when cuffs were removed.

 

[HA001]

I'll bring this over from the power scaling section, but this is more of a power analysis.

Luffy specifically stated advanced CoC penetrates DEEPER than advanced CoA.

So let me ask this: If advanced CoC penetrates DEEPER than advanced CoA, then shouldn't advanced CoC be enough to destroy cuffs? If it hurts Kaido, wtf are some cuffs?

Some people have mentioned the seastone, but Luffy was clearly touching the cuffs and he could use Haki. He could NOT use Haki with NERFED seastone cuffs in Udon. He only used Haki in Udon when cuffs were removed.

The chains were sea stone not the cuffs

 

[sanjikun]

The chains were sea stone not the cuffs

Where is the link to that VC? I still haven't read it.

Anyhow, Yamato could clearly use Haki, so that's not the issue.

Luffy in Udon with seastone could NOT use Haki.

 

[Zowo]

The chains were sea stone not the cuffs

So ushimaru cut seastone chains??

 

[Black]

If I am not wrong Luffy used ACOA to remove Yamatos cuffs, same to Ushimaru.

 

[sanjikun]

If I am not wrong Luffy used ACOA to remove Yamatos cuffs, same to Ushimaru.

Yes, that's the point of the thread. Advanced CoC penetrates DEEPER than Advanced CoA.

Luffy said Advanced CoA was "too shallow" for Kaido.

 

[Black]

Yes, that's the point of the thread. Advanced CoC penetrates DEEPER than Advanced CoA.

Luffy said Advanced CoA was "too shallow" for Kaido.

Sure but isn't ACOA enough to destroy the exploding cuffs before they explode? I am not denying that you can't do the same thing with ACOC aswell, but on that period of time Luffy wasn't able to use ACOA right?

 

[sanjikun]

Sure but isn't ACOA enough to destroy the exploding cuffs before they explode? I am not denying that you can't do the same thing with ACOC aswell, but on that period of time Luffy wasn't able to use ACOA right?

Yes, I'm talking about Yamato though. She clearly didn't have the ability to destroy the cuffs. She was bewildered at what Luffy did.

 

[Black]

Yes, I'm talking about Yamato though. She clearly didn't have the ability to destroy the cuffs. She was bewildered at what Luffy did.

Maybe thats because she hasn't had ACOA or ACOC at that period of time. I believe she awakened ACOC on the rooftop against Kaido.

 

[Sentry22]

That was him admitting he still hasn't properly used internal destruction haki. It's not that he needed AdCoC to do that.
Also the reason Luffy had to use it on the cuffs was not because they were hard to break. They are explosive cuffs which were the same as the ones Hyogoro, Caime and Yamato had on. You don't need advanced Armament 3.0 to cut chains.

 

[JoNdule]

Adcoc boosts adcoa if you have it...thus you will even break cuffs easier.
If you don't, you can't do what Ray & Luffy did with just adcoa

There's no need for adcoc if you have adcoa.

You just wanna cope hard
First you couldn't believe Yamato will have CoC so now since she has evene adcoc...damage control

 

[sanjikun]

Adcoc boosts adcoa if you have it...thus you will even break cuffs easier.
If you don't, you can't do what Ray & Luffy did with just adcoa

There's no need for adcoc if you have adcoa.

You just wanna cope hard
First you couldn't believe Yamato will have CoC so now since she has evene adcoc...damage control

So according to you, adCoC is useless by itself?

Every time I mention adCoC you always obsess over adCoA. As if though, adCoC is shit without it.

 

[stairs-kun]

So ushimaru cut seastone chains??

expected no less

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Maybe Yamato doesn't have level 3 CoA?

 

[mad monk]

Yamato still could having the ability but she had no idea that the cuff could be destroyed that way?? I mean even Luffy wouldn't even know that way if he didn't see Reyleigh doing the stuff back in Sabody , right?

 

[humanbeing]

If I am not wrong Luffy used ACOA to remove Yamatos cuffs, same to Ushimaru.

Ushimaru didn't remove the cuffs he just cut the chains.

Maybe thats because she hasn't had ACOA or ACOC at that period of time. I believe she awakened ACOC on the rooftop against Kaido.

nope she basically used it against Ulti. Thunder Bagua is an "advanced" CoC. I think "advanced" CoC just enhanced armament haki when used. and it was never said that CoC haki penetrate or attacks from the inside.

Maybe Yamato doesn't have level 3 CoA?

that is for sure the case

 

[sanjikun]

Ushimaru didn't remove the cuffs he just cut the chains.

nope she basically used it against Ulti. Thunder Bagua is an "advanced" CoC. I think "advanced" CoC just enhanced armament haki when used. and it was never said that CoC haki penetrate or attacks from the inside.

that is for sure the case

Actually that's exactly what was said. ACoA was "too shallow", meaning with ACoC, he could penetrate deep into Kaido.

 

[humanbeing]

Actually that's exactly what was said. ACoA was "too shallow", meaning with ACoC, he could penetrate deep into Kaido.

no it doesn't necessarily mean that. it is not like ACoC is used without ACoA. we have never seen ACoC used alone.

 

[sanjikun]

no it doesn't necessarily mean that. it is not like ACoC is used without ACoA. we have never seen ACoC used alone.

It does necessarily mean that. Luffy penetrated DEEPER by using ACoC.

So clearly ACoC has a penetrating effect.

 

[humanbeing]

It does necessarily mean that. Luffy penetrated DEEPER by using ACoC.

So clearly ACoC has a penetrating effect.

nope. ACoC enhances the penetrating effect of CoA. so if you don't have a penetration CoA.it will not penetrate either even if you used CoA it with ACoC. at least that is how i understand it.