Speculations Smoker will beat Crocodile
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Vice admiral is not a tier, but a grade: in power, even excluding Garp, it goes from Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru when they were VA to Tsuru prime to Momo and Chaton to (maybe) Sentomaru and so on.
There have been some VAs that were ultra top-level (Garp) and VAs that were extremely near to the top (Kizaru in Fishman pirates FB, for example).
Some of them could destroy Crocodile, some others, like Maynard, would have been one shot by the same Croco.
Being VA doesn't say anything specific about your level per se.
There have been some VAs that were ultra top-level (Garp) and VAs that were extremely near to the top (Kizaru in Fishman pirates FB, for example).
Some of them could destroy Crocodile, some others, like Maynard, would have been one shot by the same Croco.
Being VA doesn't say anything specific about your level per se.
It is a tier it's a rank tier amongst the marines which is kind of funny since you guys use the admirals as a powerscaling method but won't do the same for rear or vice admiral ranks.
did you forget about the navy HQ vice admiral (base commanders) such as onigumo, dalmatian, doberman, strawberry, and etc? Also I thought you weren't going to include garp in this ranking?
Not likely the warlords are just too strong for the vice admirals that includes the base commander vice admirals as well.
Of course it does otherwise they wouldn't be called the third highest rank in the Marines.
did you forget about the navy HQ vice admiral (base commanders) such as onigumo, dalmatian, doberman, strawberry, and etc? Also I thought you weren't going to include garp in this ranking?
Not likely the warlords are just too strong for the vice admirals that includes the base commander vice admirals as well.
Of course it does otherwise they wouldn't be called the third highest rank in the Marines.
Vice admirals can be strong. The logia trio were once VA, they'd body someone like Crocodile.
Smoker has been thrown under the bus for quite some time, he's relevant to the story and open for new PU. He's a skilled logia too, although inferior to Crocodile, but makes it much harder for Crocodile to damage him. His seastone jitte can be fatal too.
He has all the right components for this fight, all he needs is character development.
Smoker has been thrown under the bus for quite some time, he's relevant to the story and open for new PU. He's a skilled logia too, although inferior to Crocodile, but makes it much harder for Crocodile to damage him. His seastone jitte can be fatal too.
He has all the right components for this fight, all he needs is character development.
No, I have just demonstrated to you with concrete examples that there have been VA with enormous differences in terms of strength.
Also, what "you guys" lol.
I haven't forgotten them at all: simply, as I have said before, there are or have been a lot of VA, from Garp to Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru to Tsuru prime to Momo e Chaton to other VAs such as the ones you wrote about.
Yeah, I didn't include Garp in the first example, as I said, but I talked about him in the one that came after.
Simply, no; it's just not true.
Even excluding Garp, probably Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru when they were VA could very well deal with warlords in general. Not Mihawk obviously, but most definitely Croco. Tsuru prime could probably do the same and maybe the Admiral candidates can, we don't know as of now.
Other VAs, like the one you mentioned, can't.
No, it doesn't. In fact, as you said, it's a rank.
Also, what "you guys" lol.
I haven't forgotten them at all: simply, as I have said before, there are or have been a lot of VA, from Garp to Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru to Tsuru prime to Momo e Chaton to other VAs such as the ones you wrote about.
Yeah, I didn't include Garp in the first example, as I said, but I talked about him in the one that came after.
Simply, no; it's just not true.
Even excluding Garp, probably Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru when they were VA could very well deal with warlords in general. Not Mihawk obviously, but most definitely Croco. Tsuru prime could probably do the same and maybe the Admiral candidates can, we don't know as of now.
Other VAs, like the one you mentioned, can't.
No, it doesn't. In fact, as you said, it's a rank.
Can be? They are strong but the characters they be facing are just stronger.
yeah I just don't see it and if that was the case then crocodile wouldn't be strong enough to get the position as a warlord.
speaking of smoker didn't he also lose to law as well you know another warlord who is also a supernova?
it really not that hard characters weaker than crocodile could also tag him such as Vergo you know his former base commander. Hell I think Daz bones can harm him as well. Smoker vs Daz bones is much more of a appropriate matchup for smoker than crocodile.
It didn't stop law or doflamingo in which two of them are also Shichibukai.
so what happened to him when he was facing two of the Shichibukai in punk hazard?
yeah I just don't see it and if that was the case then crocodile wouldn't be strong enough to get the position as a warlord.
speaking of smoker didn't he also lose to law as well you know another warlord who is also a supernova?
it really not that hard characters weaker than crocodile could also tag him such as Vergo you know his former base commander. Hell I think Daz bones can harm him as well. Smoker vs Daz bones is much more of a appropriate matchup for smoker than crocodile.
It didn't stop law or doflamingo in which two of them are also Shichibukai.
so what happened to him when he was facing two of the Shichibukai in punk hazard?
A 35 year old vice admiral Aokiji with his devil fruit low diffs Crocodile. This is out of question, their devil fruits are in different tiers.
Yeah he did, got outplayed by Mes
Smoker that fought Doflamingo was injured already and the finishing blow was Smoker trying to protect his men. Not like the resutl would've changed.
You missed the point, this is not an argument of who's stronger. As I said in the OP Smoker would need some ass pull PU, but seeing how Crocodile went from getting meme'd on in Alabasta, to backing off from MF Luffy to this now, there's no point you can do to deny Smoker a potential powerup.
From a narrative point he's one of the few relevant marines, he'll have a role later on in reforming the navy, he has all the right tools to received a power up, all he needs is for Oda to give him the nod.
Yeah he did, got outplayed by Mes
Smoker that fought Doflamingo was injured already and the finishing blow was Smoker trying to protect his men. Not like the resutl would've changed.
You missed the point, this is not an argument of who's stronger. As I said in the OP Smoker would need some ass pull PU, but seeing how Crocodile went from getting meme'd on in Alabasta, to backing off from MF Luffy to this now, there's no point you can do to deny Smoker a potential powerup.
From a narrative point he's one of the few relevant marines, he'll have a role later on in reforming the navy, he has all the right tools to received a power up, all he needs is for Oda to give him the nod.
What examples are you referring to?
I'm just talking about the vice admirals in the present not the ones in the past.
It is true vice admiral stainless got decimated along with his fleet that surrounded buggy.
Why are you only bringing up those three who use to be vice admirals instead of the ones we got currently?
No none of them can handle those two duos.
Of course they can't and the vice admiral candidates are debatable.
I'm just talking about the vice admirals in the present not the ones in the past.
It is true vice admiral stainless got decimated along with his fleet that surrounded buggy.
Why are you only bringing up those three who use to be vice admirals instead of the ones we got currently?
No none of them can handle those two duos.
Of course they can't and the vice admiral candidates are debatable.
It would be an excellent book end to Smoker's dilemma over the Alabasta situation, where they were forcing him to throw Luffy and co under the bus and take credit over saving the nation and compromising his sense of honor. I approve.
Tashigi could also defeat Daz Bones as some atonement for her lack of strength back then.
Tashigi could also defeat Daz Bones as some atonement for her lack of strength back then.
No it all depends on the user and crocodile is known to have perfected his devil fruit. Just having a logia type devil fruit doesn't make that a strong fighter.
Exactly my point.
Never happened in the manga.
just because luffy did something doesn't mean smoker could do exactly the same thing what luffy has done. The only reason smoker hasn't lost to Luffy in his previous encounters with him is because luffy simply didn't have haki at the time that allows logias to be touch. Crocodile was already stronger than smoker pre-timeskip, rob Lucci was already stronger than smoker pre-timeskip, and so on you see what I'm getting at Luffy was already fighting stronger characters above smoker's pay grade. So I don't get you referring luffy beating crocodile as a meme in alabasta the way luffy finished crocodile was very impactful is due to luffy's sheer willpower and luck to win no matter the odds were.
We'll see I just don't see him beating crocodile in any capacity even with the seastone tip he has in his jutte.
Exactly my point.
Never happened in the manga.
just because luffy did something doesn't mean smoker could do exactly the same thing what luffy has done. The only reason smoker hasn't lost to Luffy in his previous encounters with him is because luffy simply didn't have haki at the time that allows logias to be touch. Crocodile was already stronger than smoker pre-timeskip, rob Lucci was already stronger than smoker pre-timeskip, and so on you see what I'm getting at Luffy was already fighting stronger characters above smoker's pay grade. So I don't get you referring luffy beating crocodile as a meme in alabasta the way luffy finished crocodile was very impactful is due to luffy's sheer willpower and luck to win no matter the odds were.
We'll see I just don't see him beating crocodile in any capacity even with the seastone tip he has in his jutte.
Because in my posts I wanted to prove that VA grade was an incredibly wide one in terms of power: it went from people that were super top-level or near top-level but didn't want to become admiral or couldn't do it because, idk, there weren't any spots at that time or weren't at that exact level yet.
We have already talked about Garp and Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru when they were VA, but another one it's Tsuru: and old Tsuru made Doflamingo flee while Maynard was badly beaten by Barto.
It's just a grade with an incredibly wide range of power levels.
That is another matter.
We have just said that VAs could be incredibly strong or fairly weak, it depends on the individual. In the past there were incredibly strong VA, but now?
The answer, IMHO, is debatable.
Garp and Tsuru obviously are still alive, but apart from them who can be a reasonably strong individual? Maybe the admiral candidates, we don't know how strong they might be, but they were candidates for the admiral position. Sentomaru is another possible very strong VA: Vegapunk's bodyguard, at least a Ryuo user, knows Kizaru well (maybe he trained him?).
Also, Oda has just introduced the "zodiac VA" so to speak, so some of them could be really strong. And obviously, Oda could always power up some other VA like Smoker, we simply don't know.
So, to summarize: In the past were there some strong VA that could take on Warlords? Yes, there were. As of now are there any VAs capable of that? Maybe yes, maybe not; it's debatable and depends on how strong are the Admiral candidates, on how strong are the other Zodiac VAs, etc.
We have already talked about Garp and Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru when they were VA, but another one it's Tsuru: and old Tsuru made Doflamingo flee while Maynard was badly beaten by Barto.
It's just a grade with an incredibly wide range of power levels.
That is another matter.
We have just said that VAs could be incredibly strong or fairly weak, it depends on the individual. In the past there were incredibly strong VA, but now?
The answer, IMHO, is debatable.
Garp and Tsuru obviously are still alive, but apart from them who can be a reasonably strong individual? Maybe the admiral candidates, we don't know how strong they might be, but they were candidates for the admiral position. Sentomaru is another possible very strong VA: Vegapunk's bodyguard, at least a Ryuo user, knows Kizaru well (maybe he trained him?).
Also, Oda has just introduced the "zodiac VA" so to speak, so some of them could be really strong. And obviously, Oda could always power up some other VA like Smoker, we simply don't know.
So, to summarize: In the past were there some strong VA that could take on Warlords? Yes, there were. As of now are there any VAs capable of that? Maybe yes, maybe not; it's debatable and depends on how strong are the Admiral candidates, on how strong are the other Zodiac VAs, etc.
There is no wide term with the vice admirals they are no different from the sweet generals or the calamities.
Are those the only top vice admirals you know? Maynard is not even the top of the vice admirals.
Any of the vice admirals are strong it's just the individuals they are facing are much stronger.
In the past not every Shichibukai were as strong as they are now.
Are those the only top vice admirals you know? Maynard is not even the top of the vice admirals.
Any of the vice admirals are strong it's just the individuals they are facing are much stronger.
In the past not every Shichibukai were as strong as they are now.
