Future Events So,did Oda legit thrown away the whole Luffy/Big Mom stuff which were mentioned several times?
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Oda never intended BM to be the main antagonist of her own arc, like kaido. If he did, what arc would that have been? Elbaf, the most important arc in one piece? The location of the 4th poneglyph? You really thought Oda saved big mom for that?
Kaido as antagonist of wano had consistent build up since punk hazard. Big Mom as main antagonist never had any build up. People just connected elbaf to big mom because it was in her flashback, but there was never any logical reason for big mom to be the main antagonist of such an arc, when every giant hates her. Luffy frees islands from their oppressors, BM isn't oppressing elbaf.
Luffy returning to WCI was also dumb, because Luffy already stole BM's road poneglyph. Why on earth would Oda waste time in this 1000+ manga for Luffy to return to WCI of all places, just to fight BM? That too after kaido.
People need to stop believing that just because a character says something, that that is actually the words of Oda. Of course Luffy would say he would beat big mom in the future, because he didn't anticipate BM coming to wano and Kid/Law fighting her. When BM did come to wano, Luffy literally stated twice
"the purpose of this war is to defeat Kaido, BM, and Orochi".
This is why ever since reverie when BM said she's coming to wano, I was on board with Kid and Law defeating her. This was always the best option, its just that the execution was poor. I made a dozen threads about this but tards always found some reason to justify Oda needing to waste another 100 chapters on big mom.
Kaido as antagonist of wano had consistent build up since punk hazard. Big Mom as main antagonist never had any build up. People just connected elbaf to big mom because it was in her flashback, but there was never any logical reason for big mom to be the main antagonist of such an arc, when every giant hates her. Luffy frees islands from their oppressors, BM isn't oppressing elbaf.
Luffy returning to WCI was also dumb, because Luffy already stole BM's road poneglyph. Why on earth would Oda waste time in this 1000+ manga for Luffy to return to WCI of all places, just to fight BM? That too after kaido.
People need to stop believing that just because a character says something, that that is actually the words of Oda. Of course Luffy would say he would beat big mom in the future, because he didn't anticipate BM coming to wano and Kid/Law fighting her. When BM did come to wano, Luffy literally stated twice
"the purpose of this war is to defeat Kaido, BM, and Orochi".
This is why ever since reverie when BM said she's coming to wano, I was on board with Kid and Law defeating her. This was always the best option, its just that the execution was poor. I made a dozen threads about this but tards always found some reason to justify Oda needing to waste another 100 chapters on big mom.
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"Man I can't wait until I finish the Kaido arc so I can follow up with Luffy going through his promise to beat Big Mom later, any suggestions Editor-san?"
"That's great and all Oda-sensei, but how long will that take?"
"Let's see... Wano so far is easily surpassing 100+ chapters and Big Mom is just as strong as Kaido so-"
"Hmm, so... you plan to do ANOTHER 100+ chapters for her then?"
"Uh... shit, actually... you know what, you're right thats too long and I gotta retire soon"
"fuck it, how about I add both Kaido AND Big Mom in the same arc? this way I take out 2 yonkos with 1 stone and only Shanks D. Snitch will be left to get offscreened by BB later"
"now we are talking Oda-sensei... this will surely give us more volume sales through H Y P E of 2 yonkos? correct?"
"oh you bet"
"That's great and all Oda-sensei, but how long will that take?"
"Let's see... Wano so far is easily surpassing 100+ chapters and Big Mom is just as strong as Kaido so-"
"Hmm, so... you plan to do ANOTHER 100+ chapters for her then?"
"Uh... shit, actually... you know what, you're right thats too long and I gotta retire soon"
"fuck it, how about I add both Kaido AND Big Mom in the same arc? this way I take out 2 yonkos with 1 stone and only Shanks D. Snitch will be left to get offscreened by BB later"
"now we are talking Oda-sensei... this will surely give us more volume sales through H Y P E of 2 yonkos? correct?"
"oh you bet"
I wanted to say Goda tier but not sure if that would be a compliment then lmao.
Fantastic stuff anyway!
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In FMI:
In WCI
and
Like rly?It was a rly big Lorepoint and future event in FMI.Backed up with the WCI Arc.But now all of this stuff,build up over 10 years,thrown away into the trash?Currently,i see no reason why Luffy should deal with BM or anyone else bar BB at this point of the Story.Assuming BM is dead,makes this woule thing even more irrelevant
In WCI
and
Like rly?It was a rly big Lorepoint and future event in FMI.Backed up with the WCI Arc.But now all of this stuff,build up over 10 years,thrown away into the trash?Currently,i see no reason why Luffy should deal with BM or anyone else bar BB at this point of the Story.Assuming BM is dead,makes this woule thing even more irrelevant
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What do you think
Big mom wasnt even the main antagonist of WCI. She was dealt with by sanji.
Luffy and BM barely interacted in WCI
What were the other plans?
When do you think BM should have been defeated?
Luffy vs BM was dead the moment:
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Luffy and BM barely interacted in WCI
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What were the other plans?
When do you think BM should have been defeated?
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Luffy vs BM was dead the moment:
- Luffy stole her poneglyph
- Smoothie was a woman
- Katakuri wasn’t a swordsman
- Luffy defeated the BMP commanders
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He defeated her in WCI but not through a fist fight. He defeated her through his actions when he prioritized getting Sanji back by fasting and rejecting anybody else's food while BM was destroying her own island and friends to get her wedding cake. In this case he proved to be a more worthy pirate king than her because a king doesn't prioritize his own desires over the well being of his own comrades. People logically deduced that there can never be a direct confrontation between the 2 after learning everything about her and her abilities in WCI and that Luffy's words aren't meant to be taken as literal foreshadowing. In this case and as a part of the old generation alongside Kaido, the more natural outcome was for her to lose against the new generation, the plotline that started in PH and climaxed in Wano.
Not everything is bad writing
Not everything is bad writing
In FMI:
In WCI
and
Like rly?It was a rly big Lorepoint and future event in FMI.Backed up with the WCI Arc.But now all of this stuff,build up over 10 years,thrown away into the trash?Currently,i see no reason why Luffy should deal with BM or anyone else bar BB at this point of the Story.Assuming BM is dead,makes this woule thing even more irrelevant
In WCI
and
Like rly?It was a rly big Lorepoint and future event in FMI.Backed up with the WCI Arc.But now all of this stuff,build up over 10 years,thrown away into the trash?Currently,i see no reason why Luffy should deal with BM or anyone else bar BB at this point of the Story.Assuming BM is dead,makes this woule thing even more irrelevant
@Évêque Izáya
@Akai2
@Albino 👑
@Banchi
@BleakAsh
@Bogard
@Bullet
@Captain Luffy
@Cobra.
@Dark Hound
@DarkWitch
@Finalbeta
@Flowa
@Flynn
@Foxy Bunny
@General Duke Hyuo
@Greenbeard
@Hades
@Hades
@Hanners220
@Ichiro Miyata
@imacub
@JioFreed
@Kejon
@KiriNigiri
@Kiwipom
@Kromage911
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE
@Law-sama
@Luffy is the mc
@Luffydom56
@Missy
@Momoheechulkabe9000
@Naomi
@Natalija
@Noctis
@R A I T E I I I
@Ravagerblade
@Reborn
@Rmstorm
@Rokayder
@Seth
@Shanks
@ShiNoGekai
@ShiNoGekai
@solis
@StalAckerman
@Sunita
@The Strawhats Bible
@TheKnightOfTheSea
@Thururu
@Titan
@Tora
@Tyki_Mikk
@Zoro D Goat
@Akai2
@Albino 👑
@Banchi
@BleakAsh
@Bogard
@Bullet
@Captain Luffy
@Cobra.
@Dark Hound
@DarkWitch
@Finalbeta
@Flowa
@Flynn
@Foxy Bunny
@General Duke Hyuo
@Greenbeard
@Hades
@Hades
@Hanners220
@Ichiro Miyata
@imacub
@JioFreed
@Kejon
@KiriNigiri
@Kiwipom
@Kromage911
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE
@Law-sama
@Luffy is the mc
@Luffydom56
@Missy
@Momoheechulkabe9000
@Naomi
@Natalija
@Noctis
@R A I T E I I I
@Ravagerblade
@Reborn
@Rmstorm
@Rokayder
@Seth
@Shanks
@ShiNoGekai
@ShiNoGekai
@solis
@StalAckerman
@Sunita
@The Strawhats Bible
@TheKnightOfTheSea
@Thururu
@Titan
@Tora
@Tyki_Mikk
@Zoro D Goat
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