Powers & Abilities So Yamato gets ACoC but Kid doesn't

[sanjikun]

That's my last hope for this arc

I can't imagine any mangaka ruin his top tier villains and arcs like this
Like One piece was always about luffy taking down Yonko , that was alwaus the OG plan before he even made Warlords or whatever.
Yet the Yonko SAGA is the most disappointing saga .

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When did they capture her before?

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You're defending two things
Bm never showed adcoc on her attacks vs Kid and Law

"She used coc offscreen" which decent prove she used adcoc

Oda made BM retarded and ended the fight poorly

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Youre still salty Yamato is above doffy ans has adcoc which you denied she wouldn't even have CoC

Btw Yamato matching hybrid kaido for some time > anything Law even awakened Law only showed better DC, AP ans lethal

1v1, Law gets mid diffed by Yonoo like Yamato was being mid diffed

Yamato is above Doffy but she can't beat Sasaki. Please shut your trap. Doffy no diffed Atmos + crew. He no diffed Smoker + crew. He'd run these scrubs over in his base form.

Doffy didn't have "ACoC", just like Big Mom didn't before Onigashima. Show me 1 panel of BM with ACoC before then. Character's overall power level are not dependent on new shit Oda makes up last minute.

Zoro got "ACoC" the second he unlocked basic CoC. That power is not what you think it is.

 

[L55]

Zoro got "ACoC" the second he unlocked basic CoC. That power is not what you think it is.

Then why doffy doesnt get it or kat?
Or kidd
O yeah because they are trash weaklings

 

[sanjikun]

Then why doffy doesnt get it or kat?

There are 0 signs of "ACoC" before Roger/WB battle. Oda literally just fucking made it up. Even between BM/Kaido clash there was 0 "ACoC".

Why didn't Crocodile use CoA in Alabasta? Why didn't Ace use CoA in Alabasta? Why did no one in Marineford use black hardening CoA? Why didn't Shanks/WB use ACoC?

Oda literally makes up shit all the fucking time. You know what he does then? He goes back and gives it to them.

Smoker = No CoA in Alabast. CoA in PH
BM/Kaido = No ACoC when splitting sky. ACoC post-flashback.

 

[L55]

There are 0 signs of "ACoC" before Roger/WB battle. Oda literally just fucking made it up. Even between BM/Kaido clash there was 0 "ACoC".

Why didn't Crocodile use CoA in Alabasta? Why didn't Ace use CoA in Alabasta? Why did no one in Marineford use black hardening CoA? Why didn't Shanks/WB use ACoC?

Oda literally makes up shit all the fucking time. You know what he does then? He goes back and gives it to them.

Smoker = No CoA in Alabast. CoA in PH
BM/Kaido = No ACoC when splitting sky. ACoC post-flashback.

Weakest excuse ive seen
There are signs of acoc and ur fav doffy is the one who gives it "luffy has more potential than law because of coc"
He s talking about acoc since basic coc is just fodder control
Doffy is weak that s why he doesnt have shit

 

[JoNdule]

Yamato is above Doffy but she can't beat Sasaki. Please shut your trap. Doffy no diffed Atmos + crew. He no diffed Smoker + crew. He'd run these scrubs over in his base form.

Doffy didn't have "ACoC", just like Big Mom didn't before Onigashima. Show me 1 panel of BM with ACoC before then. Character's overall power level are not dependent on new shit Oda makes up last minute.

Zoro got "ACoC" the second he unlocked basic CoC. That power is not what you think it is.

Are you done coping?

 

[Finalbeta]

At this point you should realise oda give zero fucks.

Kidd could still be top tier without advanced coc. I am certain oda actually forgot kidd has coc either he is being saved for future plots to use his ability.

Yep I think probably only in case he will wish to make him sensibly stronger then we will truly see him unlocking it

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

It's not a problem at all, Kid's fightning style relies on his DF, on smashing and burying his opponents with insane amounts of metal, suplex moves as well.
AdCoC does not fit there.

What Oda did wrong with Kid is not exploring more about his DF, he made it quite lackluster. I mean, there is a fucking giant metal sword in Onigashima and Oda didnt do anything with it, crazy.
We never saw all that amount of metal gathered in action, making super giant things or something, or trying to bury BM on it (instead we saw some beams from some walls lmao).

About BM's AdCoC, yes, he ignored so he could focus on a DF battle. Absolute garbage. He only showed it once and it was semi offpanel.

 

[MarineHQ]

Yamato's role was exactly what i expected Kid to be in this arc. Taking Kaido on 1v1 until Luffy is back. This would've validated his hype and expectations we had for him during this arc.

 

[Geo]

My issue is not with Yamato. My issues is with 90% of this fanbase being idiotic fanboys.

(1) Kaido literally uses a bunch of Mid Tiers to send after her.

(2) They've captured her before.

(3) And WE SEE the Mid Tiers clashing with Yamato and her massively struggling.

Even to handle Ulti she had to use a sneak attack. Ulti is treating her like a dumb kid.

Her own crew treats her like she's a Mid Tier.

1. Kaido also sent Jack to go catch Luffy and Law so it is a rather moot point.

2. Where was it stated that they captured Yamato before?

3. Clashing is quite irrelevant in determining power levels. Seeing that she didn't go all out against any of them, it is invalid to use the clashes as a determination of power level.

Character attitudes are also quite irrelevant. Jack was hyping himself up when he was about to face 2 top tiers. That didn't stop him from getting negged.

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The point is that Kid was more important than Yamato and specifically had a role in wano that demanded he have any form of advanced haki much more than yamato did.
Yeah he didn't have haki training, but that was Oda's decision. He wanted Luffy and Zoro to be special in onigashima so he gave them haki training and nothing to Kid, despite the fact that Kid was also supposed to fight and beat a yonko. I think that's really fucking stupid.

Because you can still make Zoro and Luffy look special without destroying Kid's character and in the process, destroying Big Mom and her fight.

All Oda had to do was throw in a flashback at udon of Kid seeing shanks using advanced haki and have him state that he will try to develop such a technique to beat kaido.

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I bring up Yamato because a lot of people use the whole Luffy and Zoro thing as an excuse as to why Kid didn't have ACoC.

"Its okay for him not to have it because he isn't as important as Luffy and Zoro"

well neither is yamato, and yet she had it despite her not defeating a yonko, whereas Kid was supposed to be Luffy's rival and literally beat a yonko and yet Oda couldn't even give him ACoA despite it being portrayed as essential to fight the yonko.

Yes Kidd might be more important than Yamato, however, that is no determinant for what haki a character should have.

Like I said in my previous post to you, Oda's handling of their match was rather poor so I do understand the point you are trying to make.

The problem is using Yamato does not help your point. Those who say Luffy and Zoro are more important as the reason are also wrong.
The fact that Yamato has it should show everyone that "importance" is not that relevant when it comes to haki

 

[Steven]

Smoker = No CoA in Alabast. CoA in PH

Lets ignore the fact how much time between both events was lol

Chapter 1 Luffy didnt used ACoC.Current Luffy can spam it

Thats your logic

 

[Tai long]

Lets ignore the fact how much time between both events was lol

Chapter 1 Luffy didnt used ACoC.Current Luffy can spam it

Thats your logic

why are you comparing 2 years, what of post time skip luffy that could not use advhaki yet less than a month later he has all three forms of advhaki and awakening which is all known power ups in one piece

 

[Steven]

why are you comparing 2 years, what of post time skip luffy that could not use advhaki yet less than a month later he has all three forms of advhaki and awakening which is all known power ups in one piece

Smoker didnt had CoA back in Alabasta

Post-TS he learned it.Simple

The only reason smoker was a threat back in the days was via his logia intang.Now,hes a joke

 

[X18999]

Is Kid more important than Yamato? Not even a little if she joins the crew.

 

[Chaves]

It doesn't matter, after all the manga supports Kid > Yamato

 

[L55]

It doesn't matter, after all the manga supports Kid > Yamato

Nothing supports that

 

[Chaves]

Nothing supports that

Kid and Law vs Big Mom supports it

 

[HA001]

Kid and Law vs Big Mom supports it

Nope even oda shows its a fake win

He didn't win shit even oda knows they didn't actually win
Oda outright tells us this

The winner needs no epithet
Oh look winner no epithet

Oh look fake winners
Epithets

Seems oda even knows lidd and law didn't win shit

 

[L55]

Kid and Law vs Big Mom supports it

Didnt beat her lul meme didnt even used acoc
Nukes did tho

 

[Chaves]

Didnt beat her lul meme didnt even used acoc
Nukes did tho

 

[L55]

Nope
She lost to exp and
Pushed out of onigashima
If it wasnt for that law andnkidd wouldvs been dead