Powers & Abilities So Yamato gets ACoC but Kid doesn't

#41
Those are two different abilities. Yamato doesn't have future sight either, and neither does Zoro. Katakuri doesn't have advcoc. What is your point?


I'm insulting the need to change the entire narrative based on what you'd rather see. Oda is the one who designed Kid to be someone who doesn't care about that. That is his character. Luffy and Zoro submitted themselves to instruction for two years while Kid was out there crucifying in the new world. So now he doesn't have the highest level of Haki, it all fits together in the ongoing story.

You can complain about the author giving characters random powers, ass pulls, or you complain that the characters you like aren't more powerful in ways they aren't written to even think about simply because you want them to be. But you can't have it both ways.
Kid didn't need to have the highest level of haki, he just needed the bare minimum. ACoC was the bare minimum given that he was fighting a yonko.

You cannot tell me it is good writing for Oda to completely skip over the CoC aspect of the linlin fight despite it being literally crucial to Luffy vs kaido.
 
#42
He went up against emperors multiple times

It’s just that unlike Luffy, kid doesn’t get magic power ups when he loses
Kid was knocked out by Kaido. Luffy was knocked out by Kaido. Luffy starts trying to learn stronger armament independently, Kid doesn't say anything about it. Kid and Luffy compete and Luffy helps the same guy Kid could have helped, but doesn't. The guy teaches advanced armament. Luffy offers him a chance to join the alliance, he refuses and leaves.

How would Kid have known about Hyo? He wouldn't, but he was right there the last time Luffy helped some slaves and made friends with an OG. Had he even inquired about how Luffy got the collar off, because again he witnessed Rayleigh, they probably would have helped.
 
#43
Also, when you make Kid's rivals Law and Luffy, you cannot tell me it is good writing for his powers to be utterly underwhelming in comparison to the above two.

Yeah Kid was never supposed to equal luffy, but Oda didn't need to shit on him this hard. He could have at least tried to make Kid look as impressive as Law by giving him ACoC instead of awakening.

And I say its bad writing because when you do things like overtly show that there is a rivalry between Kid and Luffy/Law, this inherently creates some expectations that need to be met. Oda just didn't care.
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Kid was knocked out by Kaido. Luffy was knocked out by Kaido. Luffy starts trying to learn stronger armament independently, Kid doesn't say anything about it. Kid and Luffy compete and Luffy helps the same guy Kid could have helped, but doesn't. The guy teaches advanced armament. Luffy offers him a chance to join the alliance, he refuses and leaves.

How would Kid have known about Hyo? He wouldn't, but he was right there the last time Luffy helped some slaves and made friends with an OG. Had he even inquired about how Luffy got the collar off, because again he witnessed Rayleigh, they probably would have helped.
It would have been completely fine for Oda to not have Kid learn ACoC if he didn't portray it as essential to fight the yonko, and then have Kid defeat a yonko.
 
#44
He could have at least tried to make Kid look as impressive as Law by giving him ACoC instead of awakening.
He did make Kid look as impressive as Law. They both had Awakening, Kid actually fought Big Mom more, Kid actually fought her face to face and Oda gave Kid’s attacks priority by giving them doublespreads and making him the one to land the final hits each time.

They both get shat on by Luffy but are basically equals with each other.
 
#45
It’s not about “want” it’s literally pointing out how weird it is for a newly introduced character who was literally confirmed to be created in this arc gets a power up before Kid. Like Op pointed it out it seriously gimped Oda where it didn’t have to be this way

I’ve never once said Kid should get adCoC, even at the peak of the kid hype in wano
A new character having a new ability doesn't contradict anything.

What you should probably take issue with above the goofball Kid not being a Haki master is the fact that the advcoc concept, too, didn't exist before now.
 
#47
A new character having a new ability doesn't contradict anything.
You’re either straw manning or just arguing with yourself at this point
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Who cares if Yamato was only created this arc and has ACoC?

Kid was pulled out of Oda’s ass the chapter he was introduced and somehow had a bigger bounty than Luffy who had beaten two Warlords and wrecked EL.
Yeah, that was a decade ago

You’d think Oda would have a better plan for him in Wano
 
#48
Kid didn't need to have the highest level of haki, he just needed the bare minimum. ACoC was the bare minimum given that he was fighting a yonko.

You cannot tell me it is good writing for Oda to completely skip over the CoC aspect of the linlin fight despite it being literally crucial to Luffy vs kaido.
There's absolutely a problem with Big Mom using monster Haki on Page One but not those two. You can argue that they should have cancelled each other out, sure.
 
#52
Yeah, that was a decade ago

You’d think Oda would have a better plan for him in Wano
Oda’s technically gave Kid far better achievements on Wano than anyone thought at the start of the arc, when most people just thought he’d play backup to Luffy beating Kaido.

Oda just went about it in a really shit way.

I’m just not sure why Yamato’s coming into the equation tbh. Big deal, Kid’s been in the series longer. If being in the series longer was worth anything then my man Smoker would have been treated a hell of a lot better in PH.
 
#53
Oda just went about it in a really shit way.

I’m just not sure why Yamato’s coming into the equation tbh. Big deal, Kid’s been in the series longer. If being in the series longer was worth anything then my man Smoker would have been treated a hell of a lot better in PH.
I mean you’re kinda making my point. Smoker was done dirty and it was weird af lol
 
#54
Really weird lol, give it the girl you just came up with instead of the guy you had years to plan something for
Contradict is my word, but explain how this is weird. Somewhere out there is a slightly older person who's better with Haki than Kid.

Oda did have a plan for Kid and Oda's plan for Kid was awakening. Like it or not, but that's just what he decided.

What would you even say makes your argument that different from suggesting that Usopp should have been "given" better observation than Katakuri because he was created much earlier and debuted his Haki before Katakuri debuted.
 
#55
What would you even say makes your argument that different from suggesting that Usopp should have been "given" better observation than Katakuri because he was created much earlier and debuted his Haki before Katakuri debuted.
Why I explain my self when you keep straw manning?

just keep that image of me at this point. You’re deadset anyways
 
#58
Because you like to complain about shit and you wanna talk about sucking Oda's dick just because I disagree, so here's your platform lol

Like Garp said, Yamato has nothing to do with the issue of how Oda handles Kid. Yamato is a straw man
There’s no point in explaining myself when all you do is assume my argument.

and Garp made my point and even agreed Oda dropped the ball lmao
 
#59
There’s no point in explaining myself when all you do is assume my argument.

and Garp made my point and even agreed Oda dropped the ball lmao
It doesn't even resemble the same point because I don't see where Garp said something like "Kid literally used observation a bunch of times" without anything to back it up. I'm not assuming he didn't, but you talk about a straw man argument and now say there's no point in explaining instead of just explaining lol.
 
#60
It doesn't even resemble the same point because I don't see where Garp said something like "Kid literally used observation a bunch of times" without anything to back it up. I'm not assuming he didn't, but you talk about a straw man argument and now say there's no point in explaining instead of just explaining lol.
Because I gave you my answer before and you kept strawmaning it

even now you keep doing it lmao
 
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