Current Events Some clarification about Luffy/Joyboy

[Finalbeta]

Think he either awakened by himself or he was possessed because perhaps Joy Boy is the Gomu (less likely). The first theory likely features a reincarnation process or something of not too different nature. In both cases I don't feel like Luffy reached Prime Joy Boy level yet.

 

[M944]

What he's saying to you is luffy got kod twice on the roof and momo didn't say he couldn't hear his voice. So he died

Because no one asked him and we didn't even see him
In 1003 he wasn't even KO, 1009 we didn't saw Momo
1013 It was announced everywhere and Luffy already talked to him via VOAT

No you need to prove CoO can differentiate Luffy being dead and Luffy being KO

 

[HA001]

Because no one asked him and we didn't even see him
In 1003 he wasn't even KO, 1009 we didn't saw Momo
1013 It was announced everywhere and Luffy already talked to him via VOAT

No you need to prove CoO can differentiate Luffy being dead and Luffy being KO

Cope you got bodied that fucking fodder did fuck all with g4 and died

No one asked him about luffys voice this time either he just said its gone
Something he's never said when luffy been kod multiple times like a bitch

The proof is there you refusing to read it cause you in denial.

 

[ConquistadoR]

What he's saying to you is luffy got kod twice on the roof and momo didn't say he couldn't hear his voice. So he died

Yeah exactly. There's absolutely no reason why Momonosuke didn't claim Luffy's voice disappeared when he got knocked out in chapter 1009 and in chapter 1013. He only did it this time, it does mean something more than simply being knocked out like the previous two cases.

Regardless of the "voice" argument, Kaidou's words are also further proof. He planned on crushing Luffy's head in ch. 1008 and threw Luffy into the ocean to die in ch. 1013. If he didn't do something like that this time, it means that he was sure of Luffy's death when he proclaimed it in the chapter.
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1013 It was announced everywhere and Luffy already talked to him via VOAT

Momonosuke was reading Oden's Journal before Luffy talked to him. So before Luffy talked to him, Momonosuke had no idea whether Luffy's voice vanished or not. And the announcement came after Luffy talked to Momonosuke.

 

[Roo]

He dies, he literally had the same sfx as Corazon when he died

the impel down scene literally goes against your point, they though he died for a reason

 

[M944]

Yeah exactly. There's absolutely no reason why Momonosuke didn't claim Luffy's voice disappeared when he got knocked out in chapter 1009 and in chapter 1013. He only did it this time, it does mean something more than simply being knocked out like the previous two cases

Lack of evidence isn't an evidence.
You are saying as Momo didn't said it before it means now Luffy is dead
Whereas we know being KO is enough to make your voice disappear
So the question is : How Momo can differentiate Death and KO If in both case it's just the voice which disappear ?

Regardless of the "voice" argument, Kaidou's words are also further proof. He planned on crushing Luffy's head in ch. 1008 and threw Luffy into the ocean to die in ch. 1013. If he didn't do something like that this time, it means that he was sure of Luffy's death when he proclaimed it in the chapter.

How many villains tried to Kill Luffy ?
How many succeed after thinking he did it ?
Did Crocodile Killed Luffy in their second fight ?
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He dies, he literally had the same sfx as Corazon when he died

You didn't read the post lmaaooo
The silence SFX : He was used back in Impel Down when Luffy was poisoned by Magellan and tried to recover
Luffy was shouting, he stopped.
Ivankov thought Luffy died and just after he was back

 

[HA001]

Lack of evidence isn't an evidence.
You are saying as Momo didn't said it before it means now Luffy is dead
Whereas we know being KO is enough to make your voice disappear
So the question is : How Momo can differentiate Death and KO If in both case it's just the voice which disappear ?




How many villains tried to Kill Luffy ?
How many succeed after thinking he did it ?
Did Crocodile Killed Luffy in their second fight ?
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You didn't read the post lmaaooo
The silence SFX : He was used back in Impel Down when Luffy was poisoned by Magellan and tried to recover
Luffy was shouting, he stopped.
Ivankov thought Luffy died and just after he was back

It is evidence as momos whole stance on this raid was based on luffys fight vs kaido
And he's been following it intently
The second luffy died he wanted to give up.
So if he was being kod and his voice went out he would have said so
But he didn't

 

[Roo]

Lack of evidence isn't an evidence.
You are saying as Momo didn't said it before it means now Luffy is dead
Whereas we know being KO is enough to make your voice disappear
So the question is : How Momo can differentiate Death and KO If in both case it's just the voice which disappear ?




How many villains tried to Kill Luffy ?
How many succeed after thinking he did it ?
Did Crocodile Killed Luffy in their second fight ?
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You didn't read the post lmaaooo
The silence SFX : He was used back in Impel Down when Luffy was poisoned by Magellan and tried to recover
Luffy was shouting, he stopped.
Ivankov thought Luffy died and just after he was back

Yes I did, again they though he died for a reason. Oda uses that sfx to convey death

 

[M944]

Yes I did, again they though he died for a reason. Oda uses that sfx to convey death

Nope it's just the silence SFX
You Can find for many others reasons

 

[Roo]

Nope it's just the silence SFX
You Can find for many others reasons

Yes I can, Oda literally wanted to convey near death there, it’s literally canon that Luffy had a high chance of dying there.

 

[ConquistadoR]

So the question is : How Momo can differentiate Death and KO If in both case it's just the voice which disappear ?

Did he say that sentence when Luffy got K/O'd in chapter 1013? When Momo was reading Oden's journal. That alone is enough proof that Momonosuke can differentiate b/w being K/O'd and actual death. You have proved Aisa cannot, you need to prove that Momonosuke cannot.

 

[M944]

Yes I can, Oda literally wanted to convey near death there, it’s literally canon that Luffy had a high chance of dying there.

From dead to near dead
Perfect I Guess I did my job there
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Did he say that sentence when Luffy got K/O'd in chapter 1013? When Momo was reading Oden's journal. That alone is enough proof that Momonosuke can differentiate b/w being K/O'd and actual death. You have proved Aisa cannot, you need to prove that Momonosuke cannot.

If you look closely the chapter 1013 we see Momo reading the journal before Luffy is defeated then we see him again after Luffy's defeat is announced
Momo is using CoO like not only Aisa but also Ener, Ohm and so on
None of them could made the difference

 

[Roo]

From dead to near dead
Perfect I Guess I did my job there
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Lol again you miss the point. The sfx conveys death, the voices disappearing and Kaido literally standing stack on top of the evidence.

you can’t separate the evidence form one another, Oda was clearly telling us Luffy willed himself back to life

 

[ConquistadoR]

If you look closely the chapter 1013 we see Momo reading the journal before Luffy is defeated then we see him again after Luffy's defeat is announce

- Momo was reading the journal throughout the fight.
- Luffy got K/O'd and then thrown off the Island.
- Momo was only interrupted by Luffy projecting his thoughts to him, which was after he got K/O'd.
- The announcement happens after all of this while Kaidou descended into the castle from the rooftop.

 

[M944]

Lol again you miss the point. The sfx conveys death, the voices disappearing and Kaido literally standing stack on top of the evidence.

you can’t separate the evidence form one another, Oda was clearly telling us Luffy willed himself back to life

You think Luffy revived himself ?
You think he's Ener ?

 

[Roo]

You think Luffy revived himself ?
You think he's Ener ?

If you have never seen the concept of willing yourself back to life aside from Enel you need to read other shonen aside from one piece

 

[M944]

- Momo was reading the journal throughout the fight.
- Luffy got K/O'd and then thrown off the Island.
- Momo was only interrupted by Luffy projecting his thoughts to him, which was after he got K/O'd.
- The announcement happens after all of this while Kaidou descended into the castle from the rooftop.

It means Momo wasn't following Luffy at that time
Law too didn't knew Luffy was defeated back in 1013
You also forget that no CoO users showed that he could make the difference between Death and K'O


For now you are still sticking to that Lack of evidence
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If you have never seen the concept of willing yourself back to life aside from Enel you need to read other shonen aside from one piece

No it means you should stop the headcannons

 

[Roo]

It means Momo wasn't following Luffy at that time
Law too didn't knew Luffy was defeated back in 1013
You also forget that no CoO users showed that he could make the difference between Death and K'O


For now you are still sticking to that Lack of evidence
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No it means you should stop the headcannons

The canon is literally telling us that luffy is dead

 

[M944]

The canon is literally telling us that luffy is dead

No Kaido said it
Like many others villain and they were all wrong
Moreover I was talking about willing back at life

 

[Roo]

No Kaido said it
Like many others villain and they were all wrong
Moreover I was talking about willing back at life

The evidence is there and clearly points to him being dead, you just separated the evidence to make your point which is obvious to see

I can easily make an argument that a cat isn’t the cat just by separating the evidence. “It walks on 4 legs? Plenty of animals do” “it has fur? So do dogs” “it has a tail? Are you sure it isn’t a monkey?”