Character Discussion Some last Thoughts about Kaido

#1
1-If he arrived at Marineford, would he be the strongest character on the island?

IMO: I believe yes, Akainu in the Pre-TS was just end tier Admiral or Low tier Yonko, the legends who past their primes like WB, Sengoku, Garp or Kong (whom is Non-action like Dragon) are Yonko level (in their primes, they are all PK level characters), Shanks & Mihawk are Yonko level back then, Kuzan & Kizaru are Admiral level, While Kaido is still PK level just like how we've seen him in Wano cause Shanks wouldn't also be able to stop him (or Shanks just ignored him and stayed home like Dragon's army), but only Dragon had he arrived in MF, he'd rival Kaido in terms of powers, Shiki or BB with 2 DF's would come close but not stronger than both Kaido & Dragon, but if Imu decided to come out him and his Gorosei together and Garling, these would be the ones to surpass him, or Uta if she appeared out of nowhere to save her father Shanks from Kaido and be the one to stop him

2-If he were the final villain of the Series, how strong he'd be and what would be the reasons for his rivalry with Luffy? and what other DF he'd have? him and his ally Big Mom?

IMO: He'd be beyond PK level ofc, his DF would be the Mythical Zoan DF "Typhon-Typhon No Mi" his rivalry with Luffy would be on who will be PK and who will find the One Piece, and Big Mom whom would ally with Kaido, her DF would be the Mythical Zoan DF "Witch-Witch No Mi"

3-How strong was he really?

IMO: He is PK level, 1 spot ahead of the likes of a prime Shiki (such as EOS Buggy & Sanji) 2 spots ahead of the likes of a prime Sengoku (like Primes Kong or BM & EOS Aokiji), but the likes of a prime Garp (like Future Koby or EOS Akainu) are ahead of him, a future Momonosuke will be same level but not quite like Kaido, and the likes of Roger (like EOS Mihawk & Shanks) are 2 spots ahead of him, a Primebeard 3 spots ahead of him

4-Is Kaido a credible source?

IMO: Yes, he is, fans should understand things like these: when he said "Only Joyboy is the one that will stop me" what he meant by that in the time he had his conversation with right-hand man King, is that since Prime Garp, Roger, Primebeard or Rocks weren't in this world, Kaido is WSC (Imu is the secret ruler of the world so he's an unknown enigma) and that whenever Joyboy may appear in the future, that will be the man to stop him, and obviously King jinxed it on him by saying "In that case, I guess we won't see him then" until Luffy showed up, broke his mystic, took his spot and kicked his ass in front of the whole world, and in other cases when he said "Only haki can transcend all" he said it while he was heavily utilizing his DF, he was obviously playing mind games with Luffy, and at the same time, he was right since Roger whom didn't have a DF was able to become PK and conquer the seas, like, you think Kaido who confronted Roger in the past when he was a pirate apprentice of the Rocks pirates and have ton of experience wouldn't know? and also, what he meant by it also is that a "DF alone won't conquer the world" you must have both a strong Haki and DF but Haki comes first in this verse/in the world of OP

5-Is Kaido Underrated?

IMO: Yes, he is, He is PK, he has beaten top tiers like Oden (attack from behind or not, he would've still won just like he did with Gear 4 Luffy), also he is the Antagonist that has beaten Luffy the most number of times, 4 times and almost a fifth (surpassing Crocodile who did it 3 times and almost a fourth), he had the 3rd highest bounty in the Series (only behind WB and Roger) and highest bounty in the Series post-TS until his presumed death, also in OPPW4, if not counting Uta, Primebeard, Roger and Prime Garp, Kaido is the strongest character, only Gear 5 Luffy rivals him, Blackbeard comes close but not enough

6-Replace Bajrang Gun with a Galaxy Impact from a Prime Garp vs Flame Dragon Torch: Rising Dragon Flame Bagua, who wins?

IMO: it can go either way, just like they did with Bajrang Gun that could've gone either way but cause Luffy will be PK and cause the writer knows that fans want Luffy to be PK, he gave the edge to Luffy.

7-Is Kaido the coolest designed character in Anime history or in the history of One Piece? fans kept drawing so many awesome designs about him until Oda designed him by his own

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/introductions-of-kaido-and-big-mom.57693/

8-Replace Shiki with Kaido in his fight with Roger and in his fight with Primes Garp and Sengoku, how he'd fare against them? would he have given them a bit harder fight than Shiki did and losses or gets destroyed worse than Shiki? (considering that maybe Shiki and Kaido are almost same power level)

Thoughts?
 
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#2
3-How strong was he really?

IMO: He is PK level, 1 spot ahead of the likes of a prime Shiki (such as EOS Buggy & Sanji) 2 spots ahead of the likes of a prime Sengoku (like Primes Kong or BM & EOS Aokiji), but the likes of a prime Garp (like Future Koby or EOS Akainu) are ahead of him, a future Momonosuke will be same level but not quite like Kaido, and the likes of Roger (like EOS Mihawk & Shanks) are 2 spots ahead of him, a Primebeard 3 spots ahead of him
This should be obvious enough.
His bounty was the closest to WB. Who didn't take the one piece but took on the the reigns.
They got like 300M difference only.

I'm tired of repeating Kaidou ,, WB , Roger falls in the same ball park. But people wanna wank roger to skies.
 
#4
4. Kaido didn‘t know about the full power of other characters like Shanks, Gorosei and Dragon. He only met Shanks 2 years ago and added him to his top 5 from a quick interaction. Kaido only knows that he’s stronger than BM and that WB was out of his prime. Like you said, Roger and Rocks weren’t around anymore as well. In most cases, that‘s already a solid evidence for his self-proclaimed unbeatable status. It isn’t gospel though because he hasn’t fought or seen every top-tier. He was still doubting that Luffy could beat him until he lost already, so an all-out fight is what it takes to convince him.
 
#5
4. Kaido didn‘t know about the full power of other characters like Shanks, Gorosei and Dragon. He only met Shanks 2 years ago and added him to his top 5 from a quick interaction. Kaido only knows that he’s stronger than BM and that WB was out of his prime. Like you said, Roger and Rocks weren’t around anymore as well. In most cases, that‘s already a solid evidence for his self-proclaimed unbeatable status. It isn’t gospel though because he hasn’t fought or seen every top-tier. He was still doubting that Luffy could beat him until he lost already, so an all-out fight is what it takes to convince him.
5-Is Kaido Underrated?

IMO: Yes, he is, He is PK, he has beaten top tiers like Oden (attack from behind or not, he would've still won just like he did with Gear 4 Luffy), also he is the Antagonist that has beaten Luffy the most number of times, 4 times and almost a fifth (surpassing Crocodile who did it 3 times and almost a fourth), he had the 3rd highest bounty in the Series (only behind WB and Roger) and highest bounty in the Series post-TS until his presumed death, also in OPPW4, if not counting Uta, Primebeard, Roger and Prime Garp, Kaido is the strongest character, only Gear 5 Luffy rivals him, Blackbeard comes close but not enough

6-Replace Bajrang Gun with a Galaxy Impact from a Prime Garp vs Flame Dragon Torch: Rising Dragon Flame Bagua, who wins?

IMO: it can go either way, just like they did with Bajrang Gun that could've gone either way but cause Luffy will be PK and cause the writer knows that fans want Luffy to be PK, he gave the edge to Luffy.
 
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Kaido made one piece relevant in the power scaling department. Before that they were shit even now they're still shit but because of kaido they are a little bit relevant

Why was he wanking Oden so much??
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But people wanna wank roger to skies.
Pirate king. Only the pirate king stands at the top even kaido admitted that
 
#8
Gear 5 Luffy rivals him
It's hard to tell because Kaido never took it seriously due to being depressed and suicidal. Also, G5 took him down when he was exhausted after battling everyone in rooftop and allowed Luffy to give him multiple beatings before the end.

We've seen how fast he can take Luffy down to give him a message before he went back to messing around again. Same problem with Kizaru before he stamina diffed him.

The only way to jump into conclusion is when Luffy fights Shanks, Akainu, Blackbeard or Imu because they won't be messing around and will aim for a quick finish.
 
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#9
It's hard to tell because Kaido never took it seriously due to being depressed and suicidal. Also, G5 took him down when he was exhausted after battling everyone in rooftop and allowed Luffy to give him a beating before the end.

We've seen how fast he can take Luffy down to give him a message before he went back to messing around. Same problem with Kizaru who stamina diffed him.

The only way to jump into conclusion is when Luffy fights Shanks, Akainu, Blackbeard or Imu when they won't be messing around and aim for a quick finish.
Also another thing is that the Bajrang Gun and Flame Dragon Torch: Rising Flame Dragon Bagua clash could've gone either way, but cause Oda knows that fans want Luffy to be PK, he gave the edge to Luffy, it's unlike KKG and Doffy's god-thread, which Luffy have destroyed it easily in the Manga but in the Anime, cause the pace is slow af, they made KKG and god-thread by competitive so that the end sequence episode matches the chapter and no more plots be added to the episode.
 
#10
Also another thing is that the Bajrang Gun and Flame Dragon Torch: Rising Flame Dragon Bagua clash could've gone either way, but cause Oda knows that fans want Luffy to be PK, he gave the edge to Luffy, it's unlike KKG and Doffy's god-thread, which Luffy have destroyed it easily in the Manga but in the Anime, cause the pace is slow af, they made KKG and god-thread by competitive so that the end sequence episode matches the chapter and no more plots be added to the episode.
Flame bagua was at least 70% of Bajrung imo. What do you think?
 
#11
Flame bagua was at least 70% of Bajrung imo. What do you think?
Maybe, cause also here's the thing, man, When Luffy beat Kaido like that, Oda has confirmed to us that Luffy will finally become PK which would draw smile to all of us, cause like I said, that clash could've gone either way, also you need to remember that when Luffy fought Crocodile and Crocodile used "Desert: La Spada" against Luffy's "Gum-Gum: Storm" the blade should've cut Luffy's hand but Luffy maybe used unaware CoA which turned the blades to Sand and eventually Knocked out Crocodile all the way up to the sky, falling to the ground after.

Edit: Also we need to remember that back in the day, even Oda himself stated that he doesn't know how Luffy will beat Kaido, so he did any random ass-pull like Gear 5, otherwise, Luffy wouldn't have beaten Kaido.
 
#12
Well I think Luffy may not be Joyboy, Emeth confirmed Bonney's appearence when she is the most free and Luffy's appearence in Gear 5 just looks like Joyboy didn't he?,
 
#16
base kaido low-mid diff akainu
Well I think Luffy may not be Joyboy, Emeth confirmed Bonney's appearence when she is the most free and Luffy's appearence in Gear 5 just looks like Joyboy didn't he?,
7-Is Kaido the coolest designed character in Anime history or in the history of One Piece? fans kept drawing so many awesome designs about him until Oda designed him by his own

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/introductions-of-kaido-and-big-mom.57693/

8-Replace Shiki with Kaido in his fight with Roger and in his fight with Primes Garp and Sengoku, how he'd fare against them? would he have given them a bit harder fight than Shiki did and losses or gets destroyed worse than Shiki? (considering that maybe Shiki and Kaido are almost same power level)
 
#18
7-Is Kaido the coolest designed character in Anime history or in the history of One Piece? fans kept drawing so many awesome designs about him until Oda designed him by his own

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/introductions-of-kaido-and-big-mom.57693/

8-Replace Shiki with Kaido in his fight with Roger and in his fight with Primes Garp and Sengoku, how he'd fare against them? would he have given them a bit harder fight than Shiki did and losses or gets destroyed worse than Shiki? (considering that maybe Shiki and Kaido are almost same power level)
7. I think Kaido or Nika


8. I think he would be defeated way easier,
 
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