Powers & Abilities Soru Soru No Mi: Superior To All Logia's

Rosella.Fiamingo

Peerless In History
#1
The common conception is that Logia Devil Fruits are the best devil fruits in One Piece. For the general population, that is very true. Against most people that an individual in the One Piece World will fight, the advantage that a Logia Devil Fruit provides means the user is practically a god. That is, without the haki, the user will never lose. Nonetheless, despite the advantages of having a Logia, I want to make a case for a Paramecia devil fruit, which is superior to all Logia devil fruits with the possible exception of the Yami Yami No Mi. This particular devil fruit is possessed by a Charlotte Linlin and is called the Soru Soru No Mi.

Before we proceed, I don't want to sell the Logia Devil Fruits short. In fact, My favorite Devil Fruit in the series is a Logia, which is currently under the possession of Kuzan. So, to give the Logia Devil Fruits Credit, I'll list why they are so powerful and sought after.

1. Intangibility - This is the most critical aspect of Logia Fruits. Being invincible to anyone who doesn't have Haki is a huge boon. Additionally, when it comes to very long and protracted fights with equals, the person who has the Logia devil fruit will likely win because Logia devil fruits don't seem to have a limit in the substance they can produce. Also, we know that Haki is a finite resource. Consequently, during the course of a long fight, when haki runs out, the individual with the Logia devil fruit is free to go on the offensive against his or her opponent without the fear of being hurt.

2. Versatility - Some Logia Devil Fruits that are not particularly offensive have excellent versatility in the abilities they can create. Crocodile with the Suna Suna, no mi can drain moisture out of organic objects by touching it and has created a host of capabilities with his sand that prove very useful even though sand has no clear offensive potential. Caesar clown with his Gas Gas fruit can manipulate multiple gasses and, with knowledge of chemistry and physics, can maximize the potential of his fruit to truly lethal levels. The Goro Goro No mi also has insane versatility in being able to bring back its user, can be used alongside observation haki, and be used in conjunction with the weather.

3. Hyper Offense - The strongest of the Logia devil fruits such as the C3, Mera Mera, and Goro Goro No mi are characterized by their extreme capabilities for the offense. These fruits, in my opinion, is what makes the 3 Admirals as powerful as they are. Each of them is extraordinarily lethal and has a wide array of offensive potential if taken to their logical extreme makes them easily some of the best fruits anyone can choose to eat. There is no better example than the aftermath of Sakazuki vs. Kuzan, where the nature of their devil fruits changed the entire climate and geography of Punk Hazard permanently.
4. Special Elemental Properties. - Each Logia Devil Fruit has a unique property that sets it apart and is an added boon to eating a Logia DF.

Nevertheless, despite these abilities I believe that the Soru Soru No Mi is a superior devil fruit to all Logias with the possible exception of the Yami Yami No Mi. I think I have to make it clear that this relationship is only in direct comparison to the Logia Devil Fruits. In other scenarios, where ranking overall Devil fruits, the Logias may very well come out above the Soru Soru No Mi but when directly compared, I have no doubt in my mind that the Soru Soru No Mi is the superior fruit.

4. Special Elemental Properties. - Each Logia Devil Fruit has a unique property that sets it apart and is an added boon to eating a Logia DF.

Nevertheless, despite these abilities, I believe that the Soru Soru no Mi is a superior devil fruit to all Logias with the possible exception of the Yami Yami No Mi. I think I have to make it clear that this relationship is only in direct comparison to the Logia Devil Fruits. In other scenarios, where ranking overall Devil fruits, the Logias may very well come out above the Soru Soru No Mi. However, when directly compared, I do not doubt in my mind that the Soru Soru no Mi is the superior fruit.

What Can The Soru Soru No Mi Do?
The Soru Soru No Mi allows its user to manipulate and control freely "Soul" Oda hasn't given clear definitions of what Soul means. However, from the way the fruit is utilized, we know that Souls are directly related to an individual's life force. The Soul Soul Fruit allows its wielder to manipulate this life force with a few rules to limit the scope of this power. Despite these limitations, the Soul Soul Fruit is still immensely powerful in what it can provide. When speaking of pure offense, I give a slight edge to the Logia Class devil fruits, but the Soru Soru No Mi also has immense offensive potential in used correctly.

1. Homies - The Soul Soul Fruit allows an Individual to create sentient constructs out of anything that is not a human or a corpse by infusing their Soul or the Soul of another individual into them.
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The creation of Homies from the Soru Soru no Mi from almost anything around the individual provides one of the most diverse and versatile tool kits any devil fruit user may want. At any given moment, the environment can be turned into an ally.

The most crucial aspect of the superiority of the Soru Soru No MI wen put up against the Logia Class Devil Fruits is that the Soru Soru no Mi can be Soul Constructs with substances that devil fruit users create. In the Picture above, we see that Linlin was able to generate a Soul Construct from Perospero's candy, which was able to control the water to create a massive Tsunami.
This leads to the second point
The creation of homies leads to the second Point

2. Homie Fusion - Gaining Elemental Resistance / Immunity
In a scenario where the user of the Soru Soru no Mi is fighting any of the Logia's and the Logia attacks with their elemental abilities, the user is free to turn those elements into Homies. Additionally, turning them into Homies is not the only thing the user can do. We see that Linlin can create a fusion of sorts with the Homes made directly from her Soul. In such a form, she seems to gain immunity/resistance to elemental powers. We see that many of the more dangerous Logia's have some elemental ability that they utilize to hurt their opponents. If the user of the Soru Soru No mi was fighting the user of the Magu Magu no Mi, they can simply infuse their Soul into the Magma. Through this method, they gain a level of resistance. Additionally, their offensive skills are bolstered with Magma to match that of the Magu Magu user.

It's worth noting that fusion may not be necessary to gain elemental immunity or resistance. We see Linlin being capable of grabbing and interacting with Zeus and Prometheus without fusion, which might imply that the user cannot be hurt by aspects made of their Soul. What this means is that the user of the Logia devil fruit may still be able to hurt the Soru Soru user if their immunity only applies to Homies made from their Soul.

Nevertheless, the previous assumption is somewhat contradicted when Zeus managed to bruise Linlin with his massive lightning bolt. The ability to damage her lends credence to the notion that fusion is indeed required to gain immunity/resistance. Additionally, if this is the case, then resistance and immunity would also apply to the elements produced by the Logia.

Through fusion, the user seems to gain abilities of whatever object or element they choose to create a fusion. This fusion enhances users' offensive capabilities.
Enhanced Offense From Homies through fusion leads to the third point.

3. Homies Also Possess Hyper Offense
The one advantage that offensive Logia Devil Fruits have is their hyper offense but, Homies are able to replicate or even match the highest outputs of offense that we've seen from Logia's. Like the Logia's under the right circumstances, the offensive capabilities of Homies are just as impressive.

If we compare Zeus and his DC to Enel's most potent abilities, we see that they are remarkably similar, and you can even argue that Zeus outpaces Enel. The first two pictures below are Enel's El Thor and Raigou, respectively. Raigou, which is his most potent ability, is amped with the Ark and is used in ideal conditions.



Next, if we compare the Mera Mera No Mi vs. Prometheus, we notice that Prometheus seems to match the Mera Mera No Mi quite well. I would say that Prometheus, in his enlarged state, appears to be quite a lot bigger than Ace's Entei, which is his strongest attack. Sure we can say that size is not the end all be all for strong attacks, but following Oda's formula, the bigger the attack, the stronger it is. That is why Luffy's Punches get bigger, the stronger he grows. The same can be said for Logia devil fruit users. The stronger their attack the bigger it is in magnitude.


We see that the homies are capable of providing very impressive offense. Even if one wants to give the edge to the Logia due to a possible awakening, the difference in the most potent attacks from both fruits is not significant. And in some cases, one can make the argument that the Soru Soru no Mi is indeed superior in that aspect.

Another factor that must be considered is that Homies seem to be able to powerup from eating their respective elements. This is evident with how Nami was able to feed Zeus lightning balls. So, in a case where there is an elemental mirror match, the homies would gain power and enhance the Soru Soru No MI user's offensive capabilities.

The 4th point deals with the immunity of Homies.

4. Homies are Intangible - They Cannot be Hurt without soul powers.
We know that after the aftermath of Brooks vs. BM, Prometheus and Zeus cannot be hurt without the use of soul powers or something that directly counteracts their elements. In Prometheus's case, water would hurt him, but if he grows big enough, then water inconsequential. This means that in a battle, the Soru Soru No mi has several dangerous allies they can use to cause distractions, hurt the enemy, help its user, and the best thing of all, they can't be hurt. This alone provides greater utility than having a supremely powerful Logia Devil Fruit. Even though the Logia's are intangible, the user of the Soru Soru No Mi if they possess haki, is free to enhance their attacks with Haki to make them reach the Logia's real body.


5. Utility
The greatest asset the Soru Soru No Mi provides is utility and the ability to be prepared for nearly any situation. Logia devil fruits, on average, don't give this utility. The user of the Soru Soru No mi will almost always be prepared to act due to the vast array of abilities this fruit offers. Additionally, the minor capabilities that this fruit offers is a bonus.

1. The User's Soul seemingly seems to beat on a higher frequency so they may have a longer and stronger lifespan. Linlin is in the same generation as WB and Roger yet; she is seemingly still in her prime. This might be a side effect of the Soul Soul Fruit, which enhances her spiritual energy allowing her to maintain her essence for far longer than others.

2. Auto Killing Fodder or anyone who fears death. Anyone who fears death is subject to be one-shot by this fruit. It's not only useful because the user can instantly kill enemies, but they can turn those enemies into allies in the blink of an eye by transferring the Soul they just ripped out into an object or animal to create a sentient and loyal ally.

Conclusion.

Thus far, I think I have made a case as to why in a direct comparison or even in indirect comparisons, that the Soru Soru no Mi is superior to the Logia Class of Devil Fruits, which are considered the strongest fruits. I have elucidated that through Homies, the user of the Soru Soru No Mi gains multiple benefits that supersede the intangibility and offensive capabilities of the Logia Class. With the Soul Soul Fruit, an individual is not only able to gain elemental resistance/immunity, but they are also able to increase their offensive capabilities through fusion with their soul constructs. Additionally, in a battle between a Logia and a Soul Soul Fruit user, the Soul Soul fruit user can create homies with the Logia's substance to assist them. These Homies are not only useful as new allies in a fight, but they boast immense offensive capabilities that match or even exceed those we have seen from the highest of the Logia Class. These Homies are also intangible and can grow stronger by consuming their respective elements.

I have yet to speak about the Yami Yami No Mi, which I think maybe the only exception to my claim of superiority due to its ability to negate the Devil Fruit Powers upon contact. Nevertheless, the Yami Yami No mi is not excluded from the various things the Soul Soul Fruit can do. Unlike the other Logia's The Yami Yami No Mi does not provide true intangibility. Thus, other elemental attacks would still hurt its users. Additionally, the Yami Yami No Mi is no exception to the formation of Homies. If Darkness can be projected and emitted, then the Soru Soru no Mi user is likely also capable of producing Homies from that Darkness to gain more advantages.

I think I have made a good case for the Soru Soru no Mi. You can disagree if you want, Tier Specialist and Optimistic, and Neg if you wish. I'm open to discussion.

Lastly, I don't want to ignore the possibility of the potential of the Soru Soru No Mi being related to the potential of its user. It might be the case that the immense potential we've seen from the Soul Soul Fruit is only because of its immensely powerful consumer in Charlotte Linlin. These powers may be far weaker and less potent in the hands of a weaker individual. The same cannot be said for Logia's, which confer a standard benefit no matter the consumer. So, this might be another advantage the Logia Devil Fruits hold.
 
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#2
1. The Homies can be turned against her, a weakness that no other fruit in the entire verse has. Literally.

2. The ability to steal souls of people afraid of you is irrelevant because the only people afraid of Big Mom are people so much weaker than her that she could probably just kill them in her base form anyway. People like Jimbe are immune to this aspect of her fruit, but still get one shot by, say, Akainu’s magma.

3. Her fruit provides no defensive options unlike Logia fruits which allow the user to shapeshift against Haki attacks and just straight up be intangible against non Haki attacks. For example, Big Mom was zapped by Zeus (her own weapon) twice in her own arc and her fruit did nothing to protect her. A Logia would’ve been immune to such an attack. (Plus a Logia would’ve been immune to BrachioBomber too.)

4. Logia can generate a seemingly endless amount of their element as highlighted by instances like Aokiji creating an ice continent with his finger tips during his DF reveal. There is nothing unlimited about the Soru Soru no Mi.

I’d give Big Mom’s Devil Fruit a B- on the DF scale. It does very little for her as a fighter and it certainly isn’t even close to the Logia class (the strongest of which were stated to be as strong as the Gura Gura no Mi which is ofc > the Soru Soru no mi.)

So no.
 

Rosella.Fiamingo

Peerless In History
#3
1. The Homies can be turned against her, a weakness that no other fruit in the entire verse has. Literally.

2. The ability to steal souls of people afraid of you is irrelevant because the only people afraid of Big Mom are people so much weaker than her that she could probably just kill them in her base form anyway. People like Jimbe are immune to this aspect of her fruit, but still get one shot by, say, Akainu’s magma.

3. Her fruit provides no defensive options unlike Logia fruits which allow the user to shapeshift against Haki attacks and just straight up be intangible against non Haki attacks. For example, Big Mom was zapped by Zeus (her own weapon) twice in her own arc and her fruit did nothing to protect her. A Logia would’ve been immune to such an attack. (Plus a Logia would’ve been immune to BrachioBomber too.)

4. Logia can generate a seemingly endless amount of their element as highlighted by instances like Aokiji creating an ice continent with his finger tips during his DF reveal. There is nothing unlimited about the Soru Soru no Mi.

I’d give Big Mom’s Devil Fruit a B- on the DF scale. It does very little for her as a fighter and it certainly isn’t even close to the Logia class (the strongest of which were stated to be as strong as the Gura Gura no Mi which is ofc > the Soru Soru no mi.)

So no.
We are not talking about a specific person. We are talking about a Devil Fruit. If we are discussing Linlin, the only DF that can be turned against her is Zeus because it has her glutton personality. Additionally, the only time that happened is when she wasn't mentally all there. Also, unless the person she is fighting congenitally has weather balls, he cannot be turned against her.

The ability to steal soul is useful because those souls can be used to create additional Homies which adds to the users offensive capabilities and in general their fighting ability. To Oda, having a large amount of Fodder is actually important so, no you cannot discount the ability to create fodder army from another person fodder army.

The Devil Fruit can confer defensive capabiliites if the soul is put into an object or thing that has defensve qualites. So, wrong again it provides defensive capabilities. Having Intangibility means nothing in the new world where everyone is running about with Haki. Intangibility is only relevant against fodder.

How do you know theres a limit to the Soul Soul Fruit? An Entire Island/Country was made from her Soul abilities. And The Homies can grow as large as they need to be to output and match whatever the opponent uses. If you can post a panel where there is a clear situation where she is limited, you're wrong. She has been able to use her Soul Powers at will.

All in All try again. Look at this objectively. Look at the Fruit itself. It is superior to the Logia Class DF which only offers offense.
 

Rosella.Fiamingo

Peerless In History
#5
I was wondering who would make a thread like this. Only you, Rossie.

I disagree. Only the Gura—Gura And Opi Opi have been put on the same level as Logia devil fruits. Their abilities as a flat increase are more dramatic and deadlier than the soul—soul fruit.
:finally:Who did you expect to make such a thread. @Admiral Lee Hung ?

As far as I remember, the Logia's are just more rare. From what we see, there are multiple fruits in the series that are not Logia that you can argue are superior to them.
 
#6
I was wondering who would make a thread like this. Only you, Rossie.

I disagree. Only the Gura—Gura And Opi Opi have been put on the same level as Logia devil fruits. Their abilities as a flat increase are more dramatic and deadlier than the soul—soul fruit.
where'd u get this from? kuma df shits on any logia for example
 
#8
it depends on her awakening, at the moment nothing puts her above. But she definitely comparable if u restricted awakening for the other side.

Versatility is her df trademark an it does well. It gives flight/huge aoe/ hax/ lethality/ elements an more.

top class logias on average give u only half that, but there more powerful(for now) for example akainu lethality better, or kizaru mobility
 
#9
no other df gives access to practically every element.

Soru can exploit any weakness.
unlike logia elements the homies are also sentient and can act on their own.

without haki logia reign supreme. sure.
but the elemental homies immunity to haki means that you can practically not defeat them without access to a direct counter element.
new world is so reliant on haki that this alone would throw most opponents off.

downside is, it does not really make the user themself more powerful.
as it was eaten by Linlin that is currently a non-factor though.
 
#10
2. The ability to steal souls of people afraid of you is irrelevant because the only people afraid of Big Mom are people so much weaker than her that she could probably just kill them in her base form anyway. People like Jimbe are immune to this aspect of her fruit, but still get one shot by, say, Akainu’s magma.

So no.
Thats actually a misconception, you dont have to be afraid of her for the soul pocus to work. You have to be afraid of death in general. Jimbei had already accepted that he would die for luffy and co down the way so he wasnt afraid of death.
 
A

ardym

#11
Ja soul soul fruit is really one of the most hax DF out there.
I think BM and Kaido will die in this arc and the soul soul fruit will reincarnate inside either Nami's clima tact or inside Zeus maybe i can see Oda would come with a reason like since BM died and Zeus has a part of her soul and was there. the devil will reside there. so the Nami power up will be permanent . and she will not have to ate the DF but still she will have access to the abilities of it.
that might go for Kaido's DF and Momo , since i believe Momo's is based on Kaido's DF.
 
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Homelander

#12
Yami yami is strongest logia df . Like Major said even YC3 level jinbei could counter BM's soru soru abilities says a lot.

What makes BM terifying powerful is her raw strength. She is a tank. As a 6 year old she killed a veteran level giant thats crazy. Soul soul no mi added treasure to her massive strength.

If Germa and jinbei managed to escape her abilities then its really bad for her as a status of yonko.
 
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Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#20
It depends.

Kaido didn't seem to be affected by Big Mom's soul power so her devil fruit is not that extremely useful against legit top tiers. At least from what we have seen so far.

Also the likes of Goro Goro are easily superior. Imagine being able to restart your own heart after death.
 
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