Chapter Discussion StrawHat crew structure after Wano and parallels with Roger's crew

[Lhulu]

Oden>Gaban in terms of strenght, but the hierarchy of command probably remained the same.

And about Yamato and Sanji, even though she is much stronger, I clearly see Oda doing something like: the 4th strongest enemy being a woman and the 3rd a man.
So they would switch opponents and Yamato could have a mid/high diff fight and Sanji would take a high/extreme diff.

 

[BleakAsh]

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Saying the anime isn't canon means I'm pissing myself? Come up with actual arguments based on the manga or stop quoting me.

you're one who's supposed to prove your credibility... you don't know how strong Gabban was but you you spew factually handicapped headcanons by saying Oden's portrayal shits on gabbans nonexistent portrayal

I'm just telling you that anime is more credible than your ignoramus self.. saying Kaido acknowledged Oden doesn't make Oden a sole universal example of worthiness .. since Kaido hadn't fought Gabban and reyleigh.. you are arguing to prove something that can't be proven..

Saying that anime isn't canon doesn't make what you think canon.. thats a logical fallacy.. but you could argue about whats more credible and a source to base your premise for assumptions accordingly..

but you don't seem to be reasonable at all... considering that you assume disproportional evidence ie Oden's portrayed higher.. knowing that Gabban my man doesn't even have strength portrayal except that he was 3rd in command of the crew...as a fair way to judge is... honestly ridiculous.

 

[hedera__helix]

you're one who's supposed to prove your credibility... you don't know how strong Gabban was but you you spew factually handicapped headcanons by saying Oden's portrayal shut on gabbans nonexistent portrayal

I'm just telling you that anime is more credible than your ignoramus self.. saying Kaido acknowledged Oden doesn't make Oden a sole universal example of worthiness .. since Kaido hadn't fought Gabban and reyleigh.. you are arguing to prove something that can't be proven..

Saying that anime isn't canon doesn't make what you think canon.. thats a logical fallacy.. but you could argue about whats more credible and a source to base your premise for assumptions accordingly..

but you don't seem to be reasonable at all... considering that you assume disproportional evidence ie Oden's portrayed higher.. knowing that Gabban my man doesn't even have strength portrayal except that he was 3rd in command of the crew...as a fair way to judge is... honestly ridiculous.

1000 chapters in, Roger and Rayleigh and Oden all have great portrayal and are called legends by people in the OP verse. Not one person has so much as mentioned Gaban. That gap is more than enough to draw conclusions.

The anime has zero bearing on anything.

 

[BleakAsh]

Oda has officials working on anime.. so its more credible.. i rather choose anime over your self-induced jargon

 

[Finalbeta]

It's extremely asinine to push Gaban on the same level of hype and relevance as Rayleigh in the world.

An argument can be made with Oden since he is mostly recognized in Wano, but that's about it.

 

[BleakAsh]

1000 chapters in, Roger and Rayleigh and Oden all have great portrayal and are called legends by people in the OP verse. Not one person has so much as mentioned Gaban. That gap is more than enough to draw conclusions.

The anime has zero bearing on anything.

Reyleigh is fully covered character and Scopper Gabban isn't... he'd have his notoriety if he was.. again you are arguing basically on 0 basis.

we were only told about Reyleigh in Sabaody.. and we got to know about him COZ HE WAS FUCKING INTRODUCED... GABBAN ISN'T FORMALLY INTRODUCED OR COVERED.... again arguing on thin air
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It's extremely asinine to push Gaban on the same level of hype and relevance as Rayleigh in the world.

An argument can be made with Oden since he is mostly recognized in Wano, but that's about it.

wasn't even my argument... my argument was about Odne and gabban

 

[hedera__helix]

Oda has officials working on anime.. so its more credible.. i rather choose anime over your self-induced jargon

Me discussing actual manga events is not "self-induced jargon" whatever tf that means

 

[BleakAsh]

you just need common sense to understand that someone like Reyleigh was notable in the series when he was introduced and developed upon... you'd expect a similar reaction from Kizaru if he encountered Gabban instead of Reyleigh and thats an unequivocal possibility

 

[hedera__helix]

Reyleigh is fully covered character and Scopper Gabban isn't... he'd have his notoriety if he was.. again you are arguing basically on 0 basis.

we were only told about Reyleigh in Sabaody.. and we got to know about him COZ HE WAS FUCKING INTRODUCED... GABBAN ISN'T FORMALLY INTRODUCED OR COVERED.... again arguing on thin air

So? Their difference in portrayal is still clear. It's not like Scopper is ever going to become relevant.

 

[BleakAsh]

Me discussing actual manga events is not "self-induced jargon" whatever tf that means

your BS = considering GABBAN inferior to Oden

so don't give me OOW I GAVE FAX FROM MANGA when Gabban isn't even developed upon in the manga itself
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So? Their difference in portrayal is still clear. It's not like Scopper is ever going to become relevant.

Exactly the BS I'm talking about... there must be something to even differ in the first place..

don't act like a devolved retard now that doesn't even know that it requires presence of 2 entities... to even make comparison and contrast... hear yourself out


GABBAN ISN'T EVEN DEVELOPED ON HE IS WE DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOIT HIM.. SO STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW SHIT

 

[hedera__helix]

your BS = considering GABBAN inferior to Oden

so don't give me OOW I GAVE FAX FROM MANGA when Gabban isn't even developed upon in the manga itself

Yes, I literally did state facts from the manga. 1000 chapters in and Gaban hasn't even been acknowledged in the present day. No one ever mentions a Roger Pirates Trio. If he was stronger than Oden, Oda would have fleshed him out by now.

 

[BleakAsh]

Yes, I literally did state facts from the manga. 1000 chapters in and Gaban hasn't even been acknowledged in the present day. No one ever mentions a Roger Pirates Trio. If he was stronger than Oden, Oda would have fleshed him out by now.

why would he be acknowledged.. when he wasn't even formally introduced to the current plot line..


reyleigh was a nobody before SHP met him...
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narratively speaking

 

[hedera__helix]

why would he be acknowledged.. when he wasn't even formally introduced to the current plot line..


reyleigh was a nobody before SHP met him...
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narratively speaking

It's not like he's going to be relevant after Wano

 

[BleakAsh]

It's not like he's going to be relevant after Wano

thats not the point mate.. LOOK I DONT HAVE NO SHIT AGAINST YOU... don't assume that you'll loose if you just concede the fact that what you sre doing is an unfair comparison..


we have no idea whether he'd be relevant after wano or not...

if you are concerned then why don't you deem this thread as irrelevant as well.. since Gabban isn't even a factor potentially..
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rather than making an unfair illegitimate guess that Connot be canonically ve prove.. considering how you approach things.

 

[hedera__helix]

thats not the point mate.. LOOK I DONT HAVE NO SHIT AGAINST YOU... don't assume that you'll loose if you just concede the fact that what you sre doing is an unfair comparison..


we have no idea whether he'd be relevant after wano or not...

if you are concerned then why don't you deem this thread as irrelevant as well.. since Gabban isn't even a factor potentially..

How is it an unfair comparison? Characters that get hyped have superior portrayal to characters that get zero hype.

 

[BleakAsh]

How is it an unfair comparison? Characters that get hyped have superior portrayal to characters that get zero hype.

its different coz... someone must be introduced fully to be gaged a certain level and portrayed a certain way... Gabban isn't. THAT IS MA POINT

 

[hedera__helix]

its different coz... someone must be introduced fully to be gaged a certain level and portrayed a certain way... Gabban isn't. THAT IS MA POINT

And if it hasn't happened 1000 chapters in, it's never happening.

 

[BleakAsh]

And if it hasn't happened 1000 chapters in, it's never happening.

yea honestly...so it renders this thread and the point to your argument pointless

 

[hedera__helix]

yea honestly...so it renders this thread and the point to your argument pointless

Not really. You’re speculating about his future portrayal. Based on the current manga, Roger, Rayleigh, and Oden have the best portrayal among the Roger Pirates.

 

[BleakAsh]

Not really. You’re speculating about his future portrayal. Based on the current manga, Roger, Rayleigh, and Oden have the best portrayal among the Roger Pirates.

and Gabban has no portrayal at all.. so what's the point in comparing at all