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the only ones capable of doing large dc moves are pizzaro and aokiji
kuzan didnt do it cause large range fodder control wouldnt work on garp
and pizzaro still did some damage to his surrounding by lifting his hand up
And Vasco, and Sanjuan Wolf, and Garp.

Did Kuzan use large range fodder control against Akainu? Or do you think Kuzan and Akainu were just jumping around Punk Hazard to do as much damage?

Yes, and he would do far more damage if everything was turned into brittle ice.


them dying solely depends on whether kuzan removes his technique or not
god knows for how long these pirates were frozen

but they still survived after kuzan undid his powers

I figured more like at Punk Hazard, where the overall temperature gets so cold, Straw Hats started freezing almost to death.

Also, Chopper thought Robin is in a near death state, so I'd inclined to think they weren't frozen for a long while.


1. most of them wont die
2. capturing garp is actually a huge priority , thats literally the ace in teach's mega plan
1) If they get caught in Haki blasts or town being turned upside down, while being frozen? Or being exposed to sudden temperature decrease over entire island?

2) Yes, good thing they can (and did) accomplish both. There was some environmental damage, but that was purely due to Garp, BBP hadn't directly did any.

akainu's fruit is more lethal than kuzan's but that doesnt mean their strength aint the same
What's the difference then? How is their strength the same if one is better by order of magnitude?

kuzan was the biggest force against garp
thats what this fight meant , but u also cant ignore shiryu standing around garp
If we were meant to believe Shiryuu finished Garp off, it would be implied. But Kuzan's attack is shown piercing him and Kuzan has said he "aimed to kill Garp"

and yeah that post is mostly abt kuzan doing more attacks than ice glove so i dont think ice glove is his peak of logia
Then I am slightly confused what the argument is. Because if we are arguing that Kuzan wasn't significantly nerfed due to environment here, we are saying that IG and random freeze stabs are the only advantage to his fruit (which would make it dogshit) against top tiers, as his fists and Haki are far more powerful than basic freezing attacks.
 
Holy L. The fattest of all Ls. First they hyped Twerkbull, he fell. Then they hyped Lizaru, he fell. They tried coming back for twerkbull, he was already dead. Then they put all their stocks on Aodiddy...he couldn't beat the group effort allegations lmao.


Their final hopes rest in the future Cross Guild victim and the desk job merchant :milaugh:

 
Blackbeard still says "Who else could do that"

There is no vagueness over Shiryuu point
He's just consoling them
He's saying it's alright that they didn't manage to eliminate him completely and took some time/effort to take him down (which resulted in Koby and the others getting away along with tons of slaves and Moria) because of how strong he is. Most other characters couldn't manage to take down Garp like that. So the fact they did it, even if it was as a team, is very impressive.
He wasn't trying to credit only Kuzan for the capture or whatever, that's nonsensical, because even if you argue the other crewmates didn't have much of an influence, Shiryu's stab was undeniably huge for them.
 
He's just consoling them
He's saying it's alright that they didn't manage to eliminate him completely and took some time/effort to take him down (which resulted in Koby and the others getting away along with tons of slaves and Moria) because of how strong he is. Most other characters couldn't manage to take down Garp like that. So the fact they did it, even if it was as a team, is very impressive.
He wasn't trying to credit only Kuzan for the capture or whatever, that's nonsensical, because even if you argue the other crewmates didn't have much of an influence, Shiryu's stab was undeniably huge for them.
You are missing the forest for the trees.

Kuzan is the one whom Blackbeard considers responsible for catching Garp.

Kuzan is the one BB praises for his strength.

To say he is consoling wouldn't make sense given Blackbeard's excitement
 
What are the Ls Kaido and Blackbeard took?
Come on man. Kaido got ragdolled by everyone (I could show you hundreds of panels, but Raizo is probably the most humiliating one). Struggled against Base Luffy in a 1v1, struggled against Gear 4 in a 1v1, and eventually got defeated in 2 chapters by Gear 5.






Blackbeard already admitted inferiority to Admirals.




And here yall celebrate an Ex Admiral being humble about his old Sensei after being praised by a Yonko about a Feat "only he couldve achieved" lmao.
 
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